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Title: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2018, 08:06:29 PM
I read this editorial today. I am not a fan of the MacDonald-Laurier  Institute, but I can't argue with this.



By Sean Speer


QuoteThat the "job-shaming" video of former Cosby Show actor-turned-Trader Joe's employee, Geoffrey Owens, went viral over the Labour Day weekend should give us pause.



It's a sign that, as he has since said, we've come to lose sight of the inherent dignity of all work. It's a key insight that our society must relearn.



The financial benefits of paid work are self-evident. Employment provides us with the means to cover our basic costs such as food, shelter, and so on. Without it, we're at great risk of want and need.



It's no accident that paid work is a bulwark against poverty. Evidence from the United States and Canada shows that having a job significantly reduces one's risk of poverty.



The poverty rate is 7% for working Canadians, 20.3% for those unemployed, and 23.1% for those who've left the labour force altogether.



The findings are similar for disabled Canadians. The poverty rate for disabled workers is 8% compared to 27.1% for those unemployed and 26% for those out of the labour force.



This is a key point to emphasize: disabled Canadians with jobs are nearly four times less likely to be in poverty than those who are unemployed. It's no surprise therefore that the left-leaning, Washington-based think-tank, the Center for American Progress, has concluded that "the best path out of a poverty is a well-paying job."



But thinking about work as merely a financial transaction between employer and employee misses its much broader non-financial benefits. This is what Mr. Owens is referring to when he talks about the "inherent dignity of work."



That paid work provides significant economic and social benefits – including lower incidences of poverty, greater financial security, better health outcomes, and so on – is hardly contentious. But what's less frequently recognized is that it also contributes to improved personal well-being because of its non-financial benefits.



People get great rewards from the social interaction of work (including with co-workers and customers), or the sense of financial autonomy, or the dignity that comes with work and caring for oneself and one's family.



These intangible benefits are increasingly overlooked or neglected. But they shouldn't be.



The structure, sense of dignity and purpose, personal responsibility, and satisfaction of "earned success" are as important as the financial stability that comes with paid work.



This is one of the intrinsic flaws with Ontario's now-cancelled basic income pilot project. It mistakes unemployment and poverty as merely a case of material need. But a no-strings-attached paycheque from the government is no substitute for the broad range of financial and non-financial benefits that come from work and caring for oneself and one's family.



Policymakers should thus apply a "job lens" to each and every policy choice they make to better understand if they're enabling or obstructing people from getting into paid work. The former should be single-mindedly pursued, and the latter should be discarded. Such a work-centric policy agenda would not only be good for people's pocketbooks. It would be good for their souls.



Mr. Owens's example reminds us that working is perhaps the most important social role that people play besides raising a family. Work is a benefit unto itself. It's something to be respected and celebrated, not degenerated or ridiculed.


Sean Speer is a Munk Senior fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2018, 08:15:09 PM
Work comes third for me, but it's importance is tied to family and my faith.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2018, 08:31:09 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"Work comes third for me, but it's importance is tied to family and my faith.

Everything is intertwined and work is at the centre of it all. Justin Trudeau has never had to work, so he can't appreciate that the way we can. Which is why he has no problem killing off jobs in Canada.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Bricktop on September 06, 2018, 08:41:54 PM
One great thing about Australia is that the Australian cultural psyche is highly egalitarian. In general, people are not judged by their employment...as I see all too often in England, for example, and also to some extent in America.



Australians see each other as equals...no-one is addressed as "Sir" or "Madam" for example. If someone gets too big for their boots, they are sharply reminded that that is not the Australian way.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2018, 08:46:02 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"One great thing about Australia is that the Australian cultural psyche is highly egalitarian. In general, people are not judged by their employment...as I see all too often in England, for example, and also to some extent in America.



Australians see each other as equals...no-one is addressed as "Sir" or "Madam" for example. If someone gets too big for their boots, they are sharply reminded that that is not the Australian way.

I have heard that about Australia. And not only that, Australia doesn't deliberately shoot  themselves in the feet over jobs. Only Canada doesn't seem to want good industrial jobs anymore.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Bricktop on September 06, 2018, 08:49:27 PM
I don't know about that...we've lost our manufacturing base.



We're controlled by too many multinationals.



I think our unemployment rate is around 5% now.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2018, 09:03:57 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"I read this editorial today. I am not a fan of the MacDonald-Laurier  Institute, but I can't argue with this.



By Sean Speer


QuoteThat the "job-shaming" video of former Cosby Show actor-turned-Trader Joe's employee, Geoffrey Owens, went viral over the Labour Day weekend should give us pause.



It's a sign that, as he has since said, we've come to lose sight of the inherent dignity of all work. It's a key insight that our society must relearn.



The financial benefits of paid work are self-evident. Employment provides us with the means to cover our basic costs such as food, shelter, and so on. Without it, we're at great risk of want and need.



It's no accident that paid work is a bulwark against poverty. Evidence from the United States and Canada shows that having a job significantly reduces one's risk of poverty.



The poverty rate is 7% for working Canadians, 20.3% for those unemployed, and 23.1% for those who've left the labour force altogether.



The findings are similar for disabled Canadians. The poverty rate for disabled workers is 8% compared to 27.1% for those unemployed and 26% for those out of the labour force.



This is a key point to emphasize: disabled Canadians with jobs are nearly four times less likely to be in poverty than those who are unemployed. It's no surprise therefore that the left-leaning, Washington-based think-tank, the Center for American Progress, has concluded that "the best path out of a poverty is a well-paying job."



But thinking about work as merely a financial transaction between employer and employee misses its much broader non-financial benefits. This is what Mr. Owens is referring to when he talks about the "inherent dignity of work."



That paid work provides significant economic and social benefits – including lower incidences of poverty, greater financial security, better health outcomes, and so on – is hardly contentious. But what's less frequently recognized is that it also contributes to improved personal well-being because of its non-financial benefits.



People get great rewards from the social interaction of work (including with co-workers and customers), or the sense of financial autonomy, or the dignity that comes with work and caring for oneself and one's family.



These intangible benefits are increasingly overlooked or neglected. But they shouldn't be.



The structure, sense of dignity and purpose, personal responsibility, and satisfaction of "earned success" are as important as the financial stability that comes with paid work.



This is one of the intrinsic flaws with Ontario's now-cancelled basic income pilot project. It mistakes unemployment and poverty as merely a case of material need. But a no-strings-attached paycheque from the government is no substitute for the broad range of financial and non-financial benefits that come from work and caring for oneself and one's family.



Policymakers should thus apply a "job lens" to each and every policy choice they make to better understand if they're enabling or obstructing people from getting into paid work. The former should be single-mindedly pursued, and the latter should be discarded. Such a work-centric policy agenda would not only be good for people's pocketbooks. It would be good for their souls.



Mr. Owens's example reminds us that working is perhaps the most important social role that people play besides raising a family. Work is a benefit unto itself. It's something to be respected and celebrated, not degenerated or ridiculed.


Sean Speer is a Munk Senior fellow at the Macdonald-Laurier Institute

The best social policy is a job.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Bricktop on September 06, 2018, 09:17:27 PM
The Ch1nks take them all!!!
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2018, 09:22:43 PM
Quote from: "Bricktop"The Ch1nks take them all!!!

Somebody has to work and pay for you lazy whites.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Bricktop on September 06, 2018, 09:29:58 PM
And we're grateful. Mostly.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2018, 09:33:14 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Bricktop"The Ch1nks take them all!!!

Somebody has to work and pay for you lazy whites.

A lot of Chinese university students who don't work are driving luxury cars.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Bricktop on September 06, 2018, 10:59:38 PM
Daddy's money, gained from paying workers $3 a week while they make millions in the "worker's paradise".
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2018, 11:02:10 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Bricktop"The Ch1nks take them all!!!

Somebody has to work and pay for you lazy whites.

A lot of Chinese university students who don't work are driving luxury cars.

Orientals spoil their kids rotten.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Bricktop on September 06, 2018, 11:06:05 PM
And end up with Shen Li's!!!



 ac_razz
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2018, 12:04:02 AM
Quote from: "Bricktop"And end up with Shen Li's!!!



 ac_razz

 :t1929:
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2018, 12:16:29 AM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Bricktop"The Ch1nks take them all!!!

Somebody has to work and pay for you lazy whites.

A lot of Chinese university students who don't work are driving luxury cars.

Orientals spoil their kids rotten.

Rugs?
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: cc on September 07, 2018, 12:33:43 AM
I think he said "spoil" .... not soil



 ac_smile
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2018, 12:36:24 AM
Quote from: "cc"I think he said "spoil" .... not soil



 ac_smile

 :laugh:
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Berry Sweet on September 07, 2018, 02:08:06 AM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Bricktop"The Ch1nks take them all!!!

Somebody has to work and pay for you lazy whites.

A lot of Chinese university students who don't work are driving luxury cars.

Orientals spoil their kids rotten.


Some Asian kid in Vancouver stole his dads money and bought himself a $200,000 car...they got into an argument and he killed his dad.   Too many of these very spoiled rich kids driving hundred thousand dollar cars and racing, causing harm.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2018, 08:36:01 AM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Bricktop"One great thing about Australia is that the Australian cultural psyche is highly egalitarian. In general, people are not judged by their employment...as I see all too often in England, for example, and also to some extent in America.



Australians see each other as equals...no-one is addressed as "Sir" or "Madam" for example. If someone gets too big for their boots, they are sharply reminded that that is not the Australian way.

I have heard that about Australia. And not only that, Australia doesn't deliberately shoot  themselves in the feet over jobs. Only Canada doesn't seem to want good industrial jobs anymore.


Australia mirrored much of the Western world in the 80's good times economic pork barrel and a new generation of Australians sought to be larger in life than their parents or socioeconomic upbringings.



This video sort of demonstrates the divide at the tail end of our cultural revolution in the 90's, back when one wouldn't be let into a pub or nightclub even in the most stylish of jeans or shirt with no collar. One could be a yob, otherwise known as a bogan, or one could be a wanker, otherwise known as a yuppie. One couldn't be a bit of both.  



 https://youtu.be/GiHdpAVIHgo



Australia had always had a caste system but the 80's and aftermath really exposed it.



So now many of us from all walks and mixtures of life can again wear dress blue jeans, make a great life for ourselves and all watch Upper Middle Bogan while laughing at how tradesman with a dream can surpass those of the biggest old money fed or even 80's money fed wanker.



http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/upper-middle-bogan/



https://youtu.be/eLBfXeqVVRU



Just in case you're wondering why I haven't addressed this to Bricktop too, it's only because the fact I can't fault his generalisation on the matter but his era is ancient and he's a bit of a lower middle class wanker in a walker pretending otherwise.
Title: Re: Work is a benefit unto itself
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2018, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Bricktop"The Ch1nks take them all!!!

Somebody has to work and pay for you lazy whites.

A lot of Chinese university students who don't work are driving luxury cars.

Orientals spoil their kids rotten.


Some Asian kid in Vancouver stole his dads money and bought himself a $200,000 car...they got into an argument and he killed his dad.   Too many of these very spoiled rich kids driving hundred thousand dollar cars and racing, causing harm.

I didn't read about this one  Berry.....terrible.