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Title: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 11, 2018, 06:43:13 AM

A few thousand died. Hundreds of thousands have since died, been tortured, incarcerated, or maimed because just because. Republican and Democrat administrations have carried on being evil in the US. Their reason? A war on terror which only they believe should be prosecuted by themselves with terror.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2018, 06:51:18 AM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~A few thousand died. Hundreds of thousands have since died, been tortured, incarcerated, or maimed because just because. Republican and Democrat administrations have carried on being evil in the US. Their reason? A war on terror which only they believe should be prosecuted by themselves with terror.

I remember where I was and what I was doing when I saw the chilling images of those planes crashing into the twin towers.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Frood on September 11, 2018, 07:39:58 AM

Me too. Took about 3 or 4 days to realize the explanations were bullshit.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: JOE on September 11, 2018, 09:14:28 AM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~A few thousand died. Hundreds of thousands have since died, been tortured, incarcerated, or maimed because just because. Republican and Democrat administrations have carried on being evil in the US. Their reason? A war on terror which only they believe should be prosecuted by themselves with terror.

I think it was an inside job so that the warhawks in the Pentagon could make themselves useful to justify their employment/existence. Also a way to sell arms & stuff taxpayer dollars into the pockets of the defense contractors.

Its do obvious that this was all a setup & an excuse to wage war in Afghanistan & Iraq.

It was evident there was no measured response to the supposed Iraqi threat.

And the USA has not made ammends for starting an illegal war nor killing thousands.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2018, 09:18:25 AM

Ya sure, whatever you say.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Wazzzup on September 11, 2018, 10:27:45 AM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~Ya sure, whatever you say.

Detective Joe figured it out. 9-11 has to be an inside job, because everybody knows Muslims would never do something like, kill a bunch of infidels, :001_rolleyes: :oeudC: :dash1: :crazy:

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2018, 10:32:40 AM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~Ya sure, whatever you say.

Detective Joe figured it out. 9-11 has to be an inside job, because everybody knows Muslims would never do something like, kill a bunch of infidels, :001_rolleyes: :oeudC: :dash1: :crazy:

Typical failed prog reasoning.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: cc on September 11, 2018, 12:06:23 PM

About 10 minutes into it, my mind had a selfish thought. What if they planned it here and got into the US via Canada?

Especially relevant because several islamics had tried before from Canada ... and the then recent millennium attempt came from Quebec via Victoria BC and was stopped only by an observant and brave lady of the Port Angeles WA border patrol.

The border and money transactions changed drastically as it was after 9/11. Has they used "easy" Canada to plan and enter the US, border itself and overall relations would have been far more affected

Until the next day when we found who perps were and that they were islamics using "student visas", I had parallel thoughts of horror with the event itself along with "what if from Canada" running in my mind

That scenario could well happen in the future. We have many really bad Fundy mosques and many bad critters running free here, a clueless Federal Govt driven by PC-first agenda etc. .. The US Govt knows that ... and "several" attempts have been thwarted ... one in fact shot up the Flint Michigan Airport .. another plotted to get the train while it was on the Niagara bridge for a couple of many examples

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Odinson on September 11, 2018, 12:27:18 PM

How many hundreds were on those planes...

Yet none of them, ya know, attacked the hijackers..

They deserved it..

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2018, 03:06:43 PM

~~Quote from: "Odinson"~~How many hundreds were on those planes...

Yet none of them, ya know, attacked the hijackers..

They deserved it..

Flight 93.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2018, 03:12:25 PM

~~Quote from: "cc"~~About 10 minutes into it, my mind had a selfish thought. What if they planned it here and got into the US via Canada?

Especially relevant because several islamics had tried before from Canada ... and the then recent millennium attempt came from Quebec via Victoria BC and was stopped only by an observant and brave lady of the Port Angeles WA border patrol.

The border and money transactions changed drastically as it was after 9/11. Has they used "easy" Canada to plan and enter the US, border itself and overall relations would have been far more affected

Until the next day when we found who perps were and that they were islamics using "student visas", I had parallel thoughts of horror with the event itself along with "what if from Canada" running in my mind

That scenario could well happen in the future. We have many really bad Fundy mosques and many bad critters running free here, a clueless Federal Govt driven by PC-first agenda etc. .. The US Govt knows that ... and "several" attempts have been thwarted ... one in fact shot up the Flint Michigan Airport .. another plotted to get the train while it was on the Niagara bridge for a couple of many examples

I have no doubt that either Canada will be hit with a major terror attack or this country will be used to launch an attack on the USA.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Odinson on September 11, 2018, 04:11:17 PM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~
~~Quote from: "Odinson"~~How many hundreds were on those planes...

Yet none of them, ya know, attacked the hijackers..

They deserved it..

Flight 93.

Okay 40 people...

Including crew and non-terrorist passengers..

4 hijackers whom were armed only with some kind of stabbing weapons..

Victim mentality..

If the plane was filled with army personnel, they would have taken things to their own two good hands...

Its not about the combat training.. Its the different mentality.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2018, 05:22:46 PM

~~Quote from: "Odinson"~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~
~~Quote from: "Odinson"~~How many hundreds were on those planes...

Yet none of them, ya know, attacked the hijackers..

They deserved it..

Flight 93.

Okay 40 people...

Including crew and non-terrorist passengers..

4 hijackers whom were armed only with some kind of stabbing weapons..

Victim mentality..

If the plane was filled with army personnel, they would have taken things to their own two good hands...

Its not about the combat training.. Its the different mentality.

When they knew it was a hijacking they acted. The others didn't have that knowledge until it was too late.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: cc on September 11, 2018, 05:28:19 PM

Hijackers had front row seats up in 1st class, so many had no idea what was going on ... only some confusion as to what was happening

In fact, Mo Atta, the in the sky leader, came on the mike acted as pilot and said "returning to airport" etc etc. to calm confuse passengers (no doubt as rehearsed)

During 4th flight the earlier damage was known via cellphone - so many acted and rushed the cockpit .. appears "Saudi pilot" decided they they could not fight off passengers and get to target now (likely White House or Congress), so crashed it (also no doubt a contingency plan)

Many don't realize that this was completion of the 1993 bombing try of Ramsi Youseff (plotter / planner KLM's nephew) that did not bring down the tower ... and an extension of the 1995 Asia Oplan Bojinka plot of KSM and Youseff

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2018, 05:44:31 PM

~~Quote from: "cc"~~Hijackers had front row seats up in 1st class, so many had no idea what was going on ... only some confusion as to what was happening

In fact, Mo Atta, the in the sky leader, came on the mike acted as pilot and said "returning to airport" etc etc. to calm confuse passengers (no doubt as rehearsed)

During 4th flight the earlier damage was known via cellphone - so many acted and rushed the cockpit .. appears "Saudi pilot" decided they they could not fight off passengers and get to target now (likely White House or Congress), so crashed it (also no doubt a contingency plan)

Many don't realize that this was completion of the 1993 bombing try of Ramsi Youseff (plotter / planner KLM's nephew) that did not bring down the tower ... and an extension of the 1995 Asia Oplan Bojinka plot of KSM and Youseff

The passengers on the first three flights had no idea what wss happening until it was too late.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Bricktop on September 11, 2018, 06:17:39 PM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~Me too. Took about 3 or 4 days to realize the explanations were bullshit.

And people wonder why I continue to highlight the idiocy of this ape...

:crazy:

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: cc on September 11, 2018, 08:50:49 PM

That one sure made your case ... in spades!!!!!

Disgusting in any context .... unforgivable and obnoxious as thread title on this date ... should be edited, frankly

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2018, 09:03:14 PM

~~Quote from: "cc"~~
Many don't realize that this was completion of the 1993 bombing try of Ramsi Youseff (plotter / planner KLM's nephew) that did not bring down the tower ... and an extension of the 1995 Asia Oplan Bojinka plot of KSM and Youseff

I am not familiar with these.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Bricktop on September 11, 2018, 09:49:00 PM

~~Quote from: "cc"~~That one sure made your case ... in spades!!!!!

Disgusting in any context .... unforgivable and obnoxious as thread title on this date ... should be edited, frankly

Typical...VERY typical of Freud's warped sense of reason.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2018, 09:55:08 PM

Another 911 has come and gone. Along with it the usual conspiracy theorists who call us sheeple.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: cc on September 11, 2018, 10:03:39 PM

~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~
~~Quote from: "cc"~~
Many don't realize that this was completion of the 1993 bombing try of Ramsi Youseff (plotter / planner KLM's nephew) that did not bring down the tower ... and an extension of the 1995 Asia Oplan Bojinka plot of KSM and Youseff

I am not familiar with these.

Later I'll elaborate. The whole thing put together is quite a tale of islamic perseverance and follow-through, alongside foolhardiness / stubbornness of the CIA / FBI and all agencies everywhere unable to make what should be obvious connections

Would someone please edit the thread title?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2018, 10:08:27 PM

~~Quote from: "cc"~~
~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~
~~Quote from: "cc"~~
Many don't realize that this was completion of the 1993 bombing try of Ramsi Youseff (plotter / planner KLM's nephew) that did not bring down the tower ... and an extension of the 1995 Asia Oplan Bojinka plot of KSM and Youseff

I am not familiar with these.

Later I'll elaborate. The whole thing put together is quite a tale of islamic perseverance and follow-through, alongside foolhardiness / stubbornness of the CIA / FBI and all agencies everywhere unable to make what should be obvious connections

Would someone please edit the thread title?

I will do that cc.

ac_smile

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 12, 2018, 01:13:55 AM

~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~
~~Quote from: "cc"~~
~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~
~~Quote from: "cc"~~
Many don't realize that this was completion of the 1993 bombing try of Ramsi Youseff (plotter / planner KLM's nephew) that did not bring down the tower ... and an extension of the 1995 Asia Oplan Bojinka plot of KSM and Youseff

I am not familiar with these.

Later I'll elaborate. The whole thing put together is quite a tale of islamic perseverance and follow-through, alongside foolhardiness / stubbornness of the CIA / FBI and all agencies everywhere unable to make what should be obvious connections

Would someone please edit the thread title?

I will do that cc.

ac_smile

Excuse me, but why would you do that?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: cc on September 12, 2018, 01:43:48 AM

Following up

Earlier Jan 95 we lived lived within sight of where they caught Ramzi Yousef's helper.

Authorities got VERY lucky. A helper started a minor kitchen fire, fire trucks came, cops came and found bundles of terror goodies in the apartment

Ramzi is the guy who planted the truck bomb in one of the towers in 93. They almost got Yousef that day but he was out shopping, saw the commotion and got on a plane out of the country .. CIA followed him and did get him when he got to Islamabad and he is in jail in NY for life.

He and KSM (Sheik Khalid Mohammed, THE 911 planner and his uncle) were planning "Operation Bojinka" from that downtown Manila apartment .. planning just a few minor incidents like killing the pope next week in Manila and then the next week hijacking 11 planes and crash them into buildings around Asia.

KSM, later to be the sole 9/11 planner, had been there 2 days before they raided the apartment ..... timing, sigh

Just before that Yousef had placed a small "test" bomb on an aircraft. Next flight, it went off under the seat of a Japanese fellow killing him but it did not bring down the plane (I think Manila to Tokyo?)

Operation Bojinka was a planned series of terrorist attack schedules for January of 1995.

The plot involved three separate elements:

- The assassination of Pope John Paul II during a visit to the Phillipines on January 15.

- The bombing of eleven airliners on January 21 and 22.

- The flying of a Cessna filled with explosives into CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

911 Review Commission Final Report - http://911review.com/precedent/scenarios/bojinka.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot

So stupid. I recall the Minister of Intel pleading for the US to pick up on the things they discovered several times on Manila TV.

They did not and they got 911 in 01 ...

We were privy to most of the inside poop as were friends with the previous intel general who took us into headquarters for talks on the subject (and to show off his N American friends... it was the Fils, eh!) .. so we learned lots about how islam works ... the "roles" chosen by each person etc ... and lots about KSM and how he thought.

- details were all known and offered to the US by Filippine intel – not taken seriously

- KSM involved as leader .....

For us it all added up to a big "DUH"!!! – TOO obvious what the future would bring - too obvious they would return to finish the tower job (even way back then I knew islam does not accept defeat) - too obvious aviation was in KSM's mind

Yet the CIA and FBI couldn't put 2 and 2 together ? ... even after many warnings from an intel agency? .. until AFTER they struck years later??????

Aside - And many wonder why we took and still take that death cult seriously? ... and especially so as governments don't take it anywhere serious enough? They didn't before 9/11 and they don't now, like as though 9/11 was a one off, when it epitomizes exactly what the "fighter" role of islam is and has been for 1460 years, sigh

PAST WEEK:

Paris (high % islamic) - on 2 consecutive days this past weekend - 2 unconnected stabbing attacks - 9 injured, 4 critical

Weekend before last - 2 stabbed to death in subway station

Every stab was meant to kill

And these are just the rabble, not intelligent planners like KSM

As sure as we were that KSM would strike the US hard despite them being handed the handwriting on the wall, I am also sure that we have barely tasted the tip of the iceberg called islam

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2018, 02:26:06 AM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~

Excuse me, but why would you do that?

Hmmm...good question, that.

I'm going out on a limb here...but maybe the OP was posted by a dick, who showed little respect for the loss of innocent life. :crazy:

Or perhaps just to annoy you.

Works for me, either way.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: JOE on September 12, 2018, 02:38:13 AM

cc, a lotta reasons many Canadians have stoped going to the USA is its no longer worth the hassle just to buy a bottle of milk, a chocolate bar, a tank of gas or pick up a parcel. I used to go to Point Roberts but its even become somewhat of an ordeal to go there now. So I havent bothered going back. If theyre gonna make it that difficult may as well spend my tourist dollars in another country where I feel more welcome.

~~Quote from: "cc"~~About 10 minutes into it, my mind had a selfish thought. What if they planned it here and got into the US via Canada?

Especially relevant because several islamics had tried before from Canada ... and the then recent millennium attempt came from Quebec via Victoria BC and was stopped only by an observant and brave lady of the Port Angeles WA border patrol.

The border and money transactions changed drastically as it was after 9/11. Has they used "easy" Canada to plan and enter the US, border itself and overall relations would have been far more affected

Until the next day when we found who perps were and that they were islamics using "student visas", I had parallel thoughts of horror with the event itself along with "what if from Canada" running in my mind

That scenario could well happen in the future. We have many really bad Fundy mosques and many bad critters running free here, a clueless Federal Govt driven by PC-first agenda etc. .. The US Govt knows that ... and "several" attempts have been thwarted ... one in fact shot up the Flint Michigan Airport .. another plotted to get the train while it was on the Niagara bridge for a couple of many examples

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2018, 06:51:37 AM

~~Quote from: "JOE"~~cc, a lotta reasons many Canadians have stoped going to the USA is its no longer worth the hassle just to buy a bottle of milk, a chocolate bar, a tank of gas or pick up a parcel. I used to go to Point Roberts but its even become somewhat of an ordeal to go there now. So I havent bothered going back. If theyre gonna make it that difficult may as well spend my tourist dollars in another country where I feel more welcome.

What hassle, what ordeal, other than the lines to get in?

My husband just got back from North Dakota and nothing has changed....your reason for entering, how long will you stay, same questions Americans get asked when entering Canada..

The reason Canadians think twice about shopping in the USA is a seventy five cent dollar.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 12, 2018, 07:10:21 AM

The reason the thread title got jacked?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2018, 07:16:20 AM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~The reason the thread title got jacked?

A request was made and it was edited..

I grant reasonable requests from other posters too including yourself when you requested posts be moved to MIscellaneous Thread Derailment in RR.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 12, 2018, 08:30:12 AM

~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~
~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~The reason the thread title got jacked?

A request was made and it was edited..

I grant reasonable requests from other posters too including yourself when you requested posts be moved to MIscellaneous Thread Derailment in RR.

The person who requested my thread title be changed was not reasonable.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 12, 2018, 12:41:45 PM

~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~I remember where I was and what I was doing when I saw the chilling images of those planes crashing into the twin towers.

Me too and to think they were hitting places near me such as the Pentagon and possibly the Capitol, that was very unsettling.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2018, 02:50:30 PM

~~Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"~~
~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~I remember where I was and what I was doing when I saw the chilling images of those planes crashing into the twin towers.

Me too and to think they were hitting places near me such as the Pentagon and possibly the Capitol, that was very unsettling.

Thankfully the brave passengers of flight 93 thwarted the islamic hijackers from reaching Washington.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: cc on September 12, 2018, 05:54:54 PM

Al-Qaeda leader who helped mastermind 9/11 calls on Muslims around the world to 'declare war' on the US and warns 'America is the number one enemy of Muslims', on the 9/11 anniversary (//https)

The leader of al-Qaeda called for more terror attacks to take place against the United States on the anniversary of 9/11.

Ayman al-Zawahiri declared that Muslims around the world must declare war against the United States, as he claimed the country was a religious enemy of Islam.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Zetsu on September 12, 2018, 06:03:03 PM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~A few thousand died. Hundreds of thousands have since died, been tortured, incarcerated, or maimed because just because. Republican and Democrat administrations have carried on being evil in the US. Their reason? A war on terror which only they believe should be prosecuted by themselves with terror.

Yet you might not realized but the method they used were already considered the most humane and liberal manner by most standards.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2018, 06:15:21 PM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~
~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~
~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~The reason the thread title got jacked?

A request was made and it was edited..

I grant reasonable requests from other posters too including yourself when you requested posts be moved to MIscellaneous Thread Derailment in RR.

The person who requested my thread title be changed was not reasonable.

Au contraire, my little nutslapper...pretending to be a female to fool and deceive members of this forum is unreasonable.

But let it not be said I am not empathetic to your discomfort.

Here...

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Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2018, 08:08:22 PM

~~Quote from: "@realAzhyaAryola"~~
~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~I remember where I was and what I was doing when I saw the chilling images of those planes crashing into the twin towers.

Me too and to think they were hitting places near me such as the Pentagon and possibly the Capitol, that was very unsettling.

I couldn't imagine Azhya,

:ohmy:

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: JOE on September 14, 2018, 12:50:24 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~Ya sure, whatever you say.

Detective Joe figured it out. 9-11 has to be an inside job, because everybody knows Muslims would never do something like, kill a bunch of infidels, :001_rolleyes: :oeudC: :dash1: :crazy:

I'm skeptical of the official explanation as many others are.

You and others blame the disbelievers as undeserved skeptics, but have you ever thought that the US government hasnt entirely come clean nor offered a comprehensive enough explanation to counter these skeptics?

Ie-why was the debris from the buildings hauled away before forensic investigators had a chance to look at it? Or that the bin Laden family was quickly ushered outside the United States before investigators had a chance to question them? Or that many people saw one of the towers fall before a plane hit it? Or that a 3rd tower fell several hours after it was hit. Or that explosions were heard inside the building suggesting that explosives were planted and were the real reason why the towers fell.

It may be possible that the US government's explanation is valid, but if a comprehensive explanation isnt provided then naturally there will be doubters.

The whole investigation into 911 was handled poorly. Also having George W Bush as President didnt exactly exactly inspire confidence from the rest of the world. Even the current President has implied that Bush was an idiot and apart from blaming Bush for 911, Trump has also been on record for blaming Him for the Iraq War and & the subsequent refugee crisis from the Middle East..

So if someone from the Republican Party, a sitting president with Right Wing views has critcized Bush and the way 911 was handled, then why should I accept the official explanation and believe entirely what I am told?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Wazzzup on September 14, 2018, 03:41:41 PM

~~Quote from: "JOE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~Ya sure, whatever you say.

Detective Joe figured it out. 9-11 has to be an inside job, because everybody knows Muslims would never do something like, kill a bunch of infidels, :001_rolleyes: :oeudC: :dash1: :crazy:

I'm skeptical of the official explanation as many others are.

You and others blame the disbelievers as undeserved skeptics, but have you ever thought that the US government hasnt entirely come clean nor offered a comprehensive enough explanation to counter these skeptics?

Ie-why was the debris from the buildings hauled away before forensic investigators had a chance to look at it? Or that the bin Laden family was quickly ushered outside the United States before investigators had a chance to question them? Or that many people saw one of the towers fall before a plane hit it? Or that a 3rd tower fell several hours after it was hit. Or that explosions were heard inside the building suggesting that explosives were planted and were the real reason why the towers fell.

It may be possible that the US government's explanation is valid, but if a comprehensive explanation isnt provided then naturally there will be doubters.

The whole investigation into 911 was handled poorly. Also having George W Bush as President didnt exactly exactly inspire confidence from the rest of the world. Even the current President has implied that Bush was an idiot and apart from blaming Bush for 911, Trump has also been on record for blaming Him for the Iraq War and & the subsequent refugee crisis from the Middle East..

So if someone from the Republican Party, a sitting president with Right Wing views has criticized Bush and the way 911 was handled, then why should I accept the official explanation and believe entirely what I am told?
George Bush is an idiot. So how can he also be the mastermind of a giant conspiracy? Doesn't make sense.

The things you mentioned have been answered/debunked. Look around the web.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Cronus on September 14, 2018, 04:37:22 PM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~
~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~
~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~The reason the thread title got jacked?

A request was made and it was edited..

I grant reasonable requests from other posters too including yourself when you requested posts be moved to MIscellaneous Thread Derailment in RR.

The person who requested my thread title be changed was not reasonable.

Push come to shove, this will apply as well. Spelling does not change the profane. I should have edited it. I have been out of town etc and didn't pay attention to it.

https://thebluecashew.net/rules-f23/forum-rules-t6116.html
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Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Anonymous on September 14, 2018, 06:58:30 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~[George Bush is an idiot. So how can he also be the mastermind of a giant conspiracy? Doesn't make sense.

The things you mentioned have been answered/debunked. Look around the web.

Old Joe thinks there's a political right wing in North America. ac_lmfao

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: JOE on September 14, 2018, 08:01:45 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "JOE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~Ya sure, whatever you say.

Detective Joe figured it out. 9-11 has to be an inside job, because everybody knows Muslims would never do something like, kill a bunch of infidels, :001_rolleyes: :oeudC: :dash1: :crazy:

I'm skeptical of the official explanation as many others are.

You and others blame the disbelievers as undeserved skeptics, but have you ever thought that the US government hasnt entirely come clean nor offered a comprehensive enough explanation to counter these skeptics?

Ie-why was the debris from the buildings hauled away before forensic investigators had a chance to look at it? Or that the bin Laden family was quickly ushered outside the United States before investigators had a chance to question them? Or that many people saw one of the towers fall before a plane hit it? Or that a 3rd tower fell several hours after it was hit. Or that explosions were heard inside the building suggesting that explosives were planted and were the real reason why the towers fell.

It may be possible that the US government's explanation is valid, but if a comprehensive explanation isnt provided then naturally there will be doubters.

The whole investigation into 911 was handled poorly. Also having George W Bush as President didnt exactly exactly inspire confidence from the rest of the world. Even the current President has implied that Bush was an idiot and apart from blaming Bush for 911, Trump has also been on record for blaming Him for the Iraq War and & the subsequent refugee crisis from the Middle East..

So if someone from the Republican Party, a sitting president with Right Wing views has criticized Bush and the way 911 was handled, then why should I accept the official explanation and believe entirely what I am told?
George Bush is an idiot. So how can he also be the mastermind of a giant conspiracy? Doesn't make sense.

The things you mentioned have been answered/debunked. Look around the web.

OK. Heres a point which has never been answered by the authorities or been debinked.

This MIT engineer asks the very basic question that lay people like myself have.

Why was all the debris from the destroyed buildings hauled away before scientists had a chance to review or examibe the wreckage? This is a very basic procedure which aeronautical engineers & government officials normally undertake when reviewing airplane disasters.

https://youtu.be/IFgi6BTdc0w

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Wazzzup on September 14, 2018, 08:32:41 PM

~~Quote from: "JOE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "JOE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~Ya sure, whatever you say.

Detective Joe figured it out. 9-11 has to be an inside job, because everybody knows Muslims would never do something like, kill a bunch of infidels, :001_rolleyes: :oeudC: :dash1: :crazy:

I'm skeptical of the official explanation as many others are.

You and others blame the disbelievers as undeserved skeptics, but have you ever thought that the US government hasnt entirely come clean nor offered a comprehensive enough explanation to counter these skeptics?

Ie-why was the debris from the buildings hauled away before forensic investigators had a chance to look at it? Or that the bin Laden family was quickly ushered outside the United States before investigators had a chance to question them? Or that many people saw one of the towers fall before a plane hit it? Or that a 3rd tower fell several hours after it was hit. Or that explosions were heard inside the building suggesting that explosives were planted and were the real reason why the towers fell.

It may be possible that the US government's explanation is valid, but if a comprehensive explanation isnt provided then naturally there will be doubters.

The whole investigation into 911 was handled poorly. Also having George W Bush as President didnt exactly exactly inspire confidence from the rest of the world. Even the current President has implied that Bush was an idiot and apart from blaming Bush for 911, Trump has also been on record for blaming Him for the Iraq War and & the subsequent refugee crisis from the Middle East..

So if someone from the Republican Party, a sitting president with Right Wing views has criticized Bush and the way 911 was handled, then why should I accept the official explanation and believe entirely what I am told?
George Bush is an idiot. So how can he also be the mastermind of a giant conspiracy? Doesn't make sense.

The things you mentioned have been answered/debunked. Look around the web.

OK. Heres a point which has never been answered by the authorities or been debinked.

This MIT engineer asks the very basic question that lay people like myself have.

Why was all the debris from the destroyed buildings hauled away before scientists had a chance to review or examibe the wreckage? This is a very basic procedure which aeronautical engineers & government officials normally undertake when reviewing airplane disasters.

I was more baffled by tower 7 falling without being hit, but I read an article and the explanation seems plausible.

The wreckage SHOULD have been examined. But Here's an analogy--it would be like a forensic specialist not examining the fingernails of a murdered person to check for the attackers DNA. It probably wouldn't be a conspiracy, most likely it would be human error. When human beings are involved in anything mistakes are often made. shit happens.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: Bricktop on September 14, 2018, 08:49:07 PM

~~Quote from: "JOE"~~

Why was all the debris from the destroyed buildings hauled away before scientists had a chance to review or examibe the wreckage? This is a very basic procedure which aeronautical engineers & government officials normally undertake when reviewing airplane disasters.

https://youtu.be/IFgi6BTdc0w

Hey, Joe.

Why would you want "scientists" to "review or examibe the wreckage? "?

What would be the purpose and reason of any such forensic examination?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 15, 2018, 05:48:39 AM

Why wouldn't scientists be permitted to examine the wreckage?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 15, 2018, 06:54:54 PM

Yeah.

While we're at it, lets get scientists to visit every crime scene and examine every speck of dust, not to mention take air samples, examine the roof and check the tin of baked beans for Russian nerve agent.

We wouldn't because there is NO point, and it would cost a large amount of money to have a flock of fame-chasers running around making ludicrous claims.

:crazy:

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 15, 2018, 07:02:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gHbwT_R9t0

Note the nationality of the participants.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 15, 2018, 07:28:56 PM

It really is just a run of the mill 'follow the money' explanation for 9/11.....

Who benefited from the various tragic events? Lucky Larry? Israel? Various members of the Zionist infested US government?

Anyone remember the dancing Israelis celebrating after the planes hit the towers ???

Also, does anyone seriously believe that a group of primitive sand n1ggers could pull off the biggest terrorist attack in recent history against a superpower like America without the US establishment having any prior knowledge?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and could not be a more obvious Kosher endorsed False Flag conspiracy if they tried....

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 15, 2018, 08:54:37 PM

~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~It really is just a run of the mill 'follow the money' explanation for 9/11.....

Who benefited from the various tragic events? Lucky Larry? Israel? Various members of the Zionist infested US government?

Anyone remember the dancing Israelis celebrating after the planes hit the towers ???

Also, does anyone seriously believe that a group of primitive sand n1ggers could pull off the biggest terrorist attack in recent history against a superpower like America without the US establishment having any prior knowledge?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and could not be a more obvious Kosher endorsed False Flag conspiracy if they tried....

Palestinians danced in the streets celebrating 9-11, not Israelis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8XQ1BTIPhk

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 15, 2018, 09:33:04 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~It really is just a run of the mill 'follow the money' explanation for 9/11.....

Who benefited from the various tragic events? Lucky Larry? Israel? Various members of the Zionist infested US government?

Anyone remember the dancing Israelis celebrating after the planes hit the towers ???

Also, does anyone seriously believe that a group of primitive sand n1ggers could pull off the biggest terrorist attack in recent history against a superpower like America without the US establishment having any prior knowledge?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and could not be a more obvious Kosher endorsed False Flag conspiracy if they tried....

Palestinians danced in the streets celebrating 9-11, not Israelis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8XQ1BTIPhk

Israelis danced too.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 15, 2018, 09:35:02 PM

Evidence, please?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 15, 2018, 10:46:16 PM

Look up the 3-5 Israelis dressed up as Arabs celebrating on a roof top besides their white moving van after it happened, who were later taken into custody then deported 10 weeks later.

This source is less than ideal but it gives enough info to fact check through MSM sources.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 15, 2018, 11:31:41 PM

Oh, well...with that compelling testament, we can conclude without the slightest doubt that Israel was behind the plot.

I have a question...

Given that the bozo above postulates that it was a controlled demolition that brought down these buildings...how were the explosives placed (a complex and extremely precise undertaking) without ANYONE noticing. Remember they have to be placed inside drilled holes at critical collapse points of the building. Any evidence of this?

I have another question...

If the government was behind it...why fly planes into the buildings? Why not detonate the explosives and blame terrorists after the fact, rather than destroy four aircraft and kill the crew and passengers?

Oh, wait...here's another...

If the Government wanted to execute a black flag deception, why not do it in Kuwait, or Israel...Egypt. Jordan maybe, and blame Saddam. Why kill your own citizens?

All good questions that no conspiracy theorist can answer.

Meanwhile, you whackjobs can consider these rebuttals.

//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%2F11_conspiracy_theories

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 16, 2018, 12:14:28 AM

I never suggested anything other than the fact that a handful of Israelis were witnessed dancing as 9/11 unfolded. That they were dressed as Arabs or that the moving company owner later fled the country does however pose many questions.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 16, 2018, 03:38:42 AM

Let me make it easy for you, corky.

Was the terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre carried out by muslim terrorists or the US Government?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 16, 2018, 04:16:52 AM

Let me make it easy for you. Neither of us know all the truths of that event.

Disagree at your own risk.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years again. No fcks given here.
Post by: JOE on September 16, 2018, 05:25:23 AM

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~
~~Quote from: "JOE"~~

Why was all the debris from the destroyed buildings hauled away before scientists had a chance to review or examibe the wreckage? This is a very basic procedure which aeronautical engineers & government officials normally undertake when reviewing airplane disasters.

https://youtu.be/IFgi6BTdc0w

Hey, Joe.

Why would you want "scientists" to "review or examibe the wreckage? "?

What would be the purpose and reason of any such forensic examination?

You claim to be a retired police officer and yet seem clueless as to what goes on at the scene of the crime.

For example lets say theres a murder at a house on Z street.

Do the police allow nosey neighbors or bystanders to enter the hpuse, start looking around and picking up pieces of evidence and take them home or discard them without anyone knowing where they disappeared to?

No of course not. The usual procedure would be cordoning off the house and area so that the police and could go in and gather evidence to determine the causes and what happened.

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And yet youve chosen to ignore the normal procedure that should have been taken during the 911 incident.

Heres an article of basic procedures which are followed after a plane crash.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/inside-the-aircraft-accident-investigation-process-282566

The wreckage is gathered, samples are taken to determine its cause. Sometimes its thousands of pieces which are individually analyzed. I believe this is what occurred during the air india terrorist bombong incident off canadas atlantic coast over 30 years ago.

So that much of the evidence and devris were hauled away and discarded seems incredulous.

And then no one knows where it went or where it was destroyed.

And the average American Joe or Jane isnt asking these questions.

My gawd the average American must be pretty fucking dense if they cant see that somethibg usnt right about this crime scene and how this investigation was handled.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 08:06:24 AM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~It really is just a run of the mill 'follow the money' explanation for 9/11.....

Who benefited from the various tragic events? Lucky Larry? Israel? Various members of the Zionist infested US government?

Anyone remember the dancing Israelis celebrating after the planes hit the towers ???

Also, does anyone seriously believe that a group of primitive sand n1ggers could pull off the biggest terrorist attack in recent history against a superpower like America without the US establishment having any prior knowledge?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and could not be a more obvious Kosher endorsed False Flag conspiracy if they tried....

Palestinians danced in the streets celebrating 9-11, not Israelis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8XQ1BTIPhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 08:19:59 AM

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~Oh, well...with that compelling testament, we can conclude without the slightest doubt that Israel was behind the plot.

I have a question...

Given that the bozo above postulates that it was a controlled demolition that brought down these buildings...how were the explosives placed (a complex and extremely precise undertaking) without ANYONE noticing. Remember they have to be placed inside drilled holes at critical collapse points of the building. Any evidence of this?

I have another question...

If the government was behind it...why fly planes into the buildings? Why not detonate the explosives and blame terrorists after the fact, rather than destroy four aircraft and kill the crew and passengers?

Oh, wait...here's another...

If the Government wanted to execute a black flag deception, why not do it in Kuwait, or Israel...Egypt. Jordan maybe, and blame Saddam. Why kill your own citizens?

All good questions that no conspiracy theorist can answer.

Meanwhile, you whackjobs can consider these rebuttals.

//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9%2F11_conspiracy_theories

Planting explosives while dressed as workmen or something would not be difficult, especially bearing in mind that the owner of the towers likely had prior knowledge to what was going to happen and so would have informed his underlings that 'workmen' would be carrying out work in the towers....

As for the planes, who knows? It could be that it was a joint effort between Islamic extremists and Mossad or that the planes were in fact hijacked and the US government allowed the attack to happen so they could use it as an excuse to invade the Middle East. It really is not all that far fetched when you consider that Zionists have been caught red-handed carrying out false flag terrorist attacks in the past.

Do you honestly think that the Mossad and powerful elites care about about a few thousand American lives in return for political and financial gain?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 16, 2018, 10:09:40 AM

~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~It really is just a run of the mill 'follow the money' explanation for 9/11.....

Who benefited from the various tragic events? Lucky Larry? Israel? Various members of the Zionist infested US government?

Anyone remember the dancing Israelis celebrating after the planes hit the towers ???

Also, does anyone seriously believe that a group of primitive sand n1ggers could pull off the biggest terrorist attack in recent history against a superpower like America without the US establishment having any prior knowledge?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and could not be a more obvious Kosher endorsed False Flag conspiracy if they tried....

Palestinians danced in the streets celebrating 9-11, not Israelis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8XQ1BTIPhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

5 israelis who might have looked to an old woman to be celebrating doesn't compare to hundreds of Palestinians caught on video clearly celebrating

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2018, 10:26:04 AM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~It really is just a run of the mill 'follow the money' explanation for 9/11.....

Who benefited from the various tragic events? Lucky Larry? Israel? Various members of the Zionist infested US government?

Anyone remember the dancing Israelis celebrating after the planes hit the towers ???

Also, does anyone seriously believe that a group of primitive sand n1ggers could pull off the biggest terrorist attack in recent history against a superpower like America without the US establishment having any prior knowledge?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and could not be a more obvious Kosher endorsed False Flag conspiracy if they tried....

Palestinians danced in the streets celebrating 9-11, not Israelis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8XQ1BTIPhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

5 israelis who might have looked to an old woman to be celebrating doesn't compare to hundreds of Palestinians caught on video clearly celebrating

No, it does not and these conspiracy whackjobs know that.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 10:29:49 AM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~It really is just a run of the mill 'follow the money' explanation for 9/11.....

Who benefited from the various tragic events? Lucky Larry? Israel? Various members of the Zionist infested US government?

Anyone remember the dancing Israelis celebrating after the planes hit the towers ???

Also, does anyone seriously believe that a group of primitive sand n1ggers could pull off the biggest terrorist attack in recent history against a superpower like America without the US establishment having any prior knowledge?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and could not be a more obvious Kosher endorsed False Flag conspiracy if they tried....

Palestinians danced in the streets celebrating 9-11, not Israelis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8XQ1BTIPhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

5 israelis who might have looked to an old woman to be celebrating doesn't compare to hundreds of Palestinians caught on video clearly celebrating

I'm not excusing Palestinians celebrating over what happened, far from it, but I suppose they will just see it as the US getting a taste of it's own medicine...

Those Israelis admitted on national television that they were in America to (I'm paraphrasing here but this is basically what was said) 'document the event because they come from a country which experiences terrorism regularly'........

What event? How did they know there was going to be a terror attack to document?? ac_wot

In my view, both Israeli and American intelligence services knew the attack was going to happen and they allowed it so they could embark on their 'war on terror' agenda in the Middle East, which amounts to nothing more than invasions of so called 'rogue nations' or more pecisely, any country which is hostile towards Israel and Zionism.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 10:32:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Zhe2UUfcw&app=desktop

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2018, 10:35:31 AM

~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~It really is just a run of the mill 'follow the money' explanation for 9/11.....

Who benefited from the various tragic events? Lucky Larry? Israel? Various members of the Zionist infested US government?

Anyone remember the dancing Israelis celebrating after the planes hit the towers ???

Also, does anyone seriously believe that a group of primitive sand n1ggers could pull off the biggest terrorist attack in recent history against a superpower like America without the US establishment having any prior knowledge?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and could not be a more obvious Kosher endorsed False Flag conspiracy if they tried....

Palestinians danced in the streets celebrating 9-11, not Israelis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8XQ1BTIPhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

5 israelis who might have looked to an old woman to be celebrating doesn't compare to hundreds of Palestinians caught on video clearly celebrating

I'm not excusing Palestinians celebrating over what happened, far from it, but I suppose they will just see it as the US getting a taste of it's own medicine...

Those Israelis admitted on national television that they were in America to (I'm paraphrasing here but this is basically what was said) 'document the event because they come from a country which experiences terrorism regularly'........

What event? How did they know there was going to be a terror attack to document?? ac_wot

In my view, both Israeli and American intelligence services knew the attack was going to happen and they allowed it so they could embark on their 'war on terror' agenda in the Middle East, which amounts to nothing more than invasions of so called 'rogue nations' or more pecisely, any country which is hostile towards Israel and Zionism.

Scouse, 911 was committed by islam against the great satan. No nation was behind it let alone a Western ally. Jumping on every single tidbit on the internet is stupid. And by the way, there are similar stories about Chinese saying that. A big yawn.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 10:42:33 AM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~It really is just a run of the mill 'follow the money' explanation for 9/11.....

Who benefited from the various tragic events? Lucky Larry? Israel? Various members of the Zionist infested US government?

Anyone remember the dancing Israelis celebrating after the planes hit the towers ???

Also, does anyone seriously believe that a group of primitive sand n1ggers could pull off the biggest terrorist attack in recent history against a superpower like America without the US establishment having any prior knowledge?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and could not be a more obvious Kosher endorsed False Flag conspiracy if they tried....

Palestinians danced in the streets celebrating 9-11, not Israelis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8XQ1BTIPhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

5 israelis who might have looked to an old woman to be celebrating doesn't compare to hundreds of Palestinians caught on video clearly celebrating

No, it does not and these conspiracy whackjobs know that.

Is there really any need for the name calling? It's always the same when this kind of thing is discussed, much of the 'Our government would never lie to us' brigade resort to childish insults when they encounter people who disagree with the official narrative, which is a sure sign of when someone is losing an argument.

I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist, nor am I part of the flat earth society or a believer of reptilian shape-shifters. I do however know that dangerous, powerful elites, who regard us as nothing more than useless cattle, rule over us and it is highly likely that these people helped orchestrate 9/11.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 10:48:17 AM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~It really is just a run of the mill 'follow the money' explanation for 9/11.....

Who benefited from the various tragic events? Lucky Larry? Israel? Various members of the Zionist infested US government?

Anyone remember the dancing Israelis celebrating after the planes hit the towers ???

Also, does anyone seriously believe that a group of primitive sand n1ggers could pull off the biggest terrorist attack in recent history against a superpower like America without the US establishment having any prior knowledge?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and could not be a more obvious Kosher endorsed False Flag conspiracy if they tried....

Palestinians danced in the streets celebrating 9-11, not Israelis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8XQ1BTIPhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

5 israelis who might have looked to an old woman to be celebrating doesn't compare to hundreds of Palestinians caught on video clearly celebrating

I'm not excusing Palestinians celebrating over what happened, far from it, but I suppose they will just see it as the US getting a taste of it's own medicine...

Those Israelis admitted on national television that they were in America to (I'm paraphrasing here but this is basically what was said) 'document the event because they come from a country which experiences terrorism regularly'........

What event? How did they know there was going to be a terror attack to document?? ac_wot

In my view, both Israeli and American intelligence services knew the attack was going to happen and they allowed it so they could embark on their 'war on terror' agenda in the Middle East, which amounts to nothing more than invasions of so called 'rogue nations' or more pecisely, any country which is hostile towards Israel and Zionism.

Scouse, 911 was committed by islam against the great satan. No nation was behind it let alone a Western ally. Jumping on every single tidbit on the internet is stupid. And by the way, there are similar stories about Chinese saying that. A big yawn.

Same old story, Jews can do no wrong huh?

Care to explain what those Israelis were talking about if Mossad weren't involved?

I think some people on here need to read about the Lavon Affair and the attack on the USS Liberty....

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2018, 11:27:03 AM

Was China behind 911?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hPKeZCdU4o

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2018, 12:01:19 PM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~Was China behind 911?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hPKeZCdU4o

It's on youtube , so it has to be true. Once again, Scouse wins the Gomer award.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: cc on September 16, 2018, 12:19:25 PM

I got a better one

I have an islamic friend from a Shia offshoot cult that only 2 years after 9 / 11 and in all seriousness informed me that an Xian Armageddonist group from S. Western US colluded with Armageddonist Shia 12vers to put the Armageddonist Shia 12ver guy in the silly dress into power in Iran in 79.

Then it got better. Later they organized / tricked KSM, Mo Atta and Co to do 9/11 (even though they were all Sunnis) ... all toward getting the evil and hated US and West to retaliate with nukes and bring on "blessed" Armageddon c/w free ride to heaven for all true Shia that 12vers believe.

When I questioned him a bit, he followed up by emailing me dozens of website links ABSOLUTELY "proving" it all to be true

Apparently many in Iran, especially from his cult, believe this stuff and their "proof" as strongly as cultists of other cloths have their very different theories and internet "proof"

While kooky, its every bit as "proven" as any of the other cults

Since 9/11 I have run into a total of 4 groups (four) that have theories and "links to absolute proofs" .. all very different stories from each other. The world is filled with cult kooks / conspiracy theorists of every flavor, all having absolute proof of their theory

As to flat earthers, they are very different from the other groups / cults. Yes, they are equally kooky and have troves of "links to absolute proofs" ... BUT are harmless .. . and thus very different from the many other groups / cults ... having not been derived from hate of other groups as their rai·son d'ê·tre behind / driving their beliefs

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2018, 12:21:14 PM

~~Quote from: "cc"~~I got a better one

I have an islamic friend from a Shia offshoot cult that only 2 years after 9 / 11 and in all seriousness informed me that an Xian Armageddonist group from S. Western US colluded with Armageddonist Shia 12vers to put the Armageddonist Shia 12ver guy in the silly dress into power in Iran in 79.

Then it got better. Later they organized / tricked KSM, Mo Atta and Co to do 9/11 (even though they were all Sunnis) ... all toward getting the evil US and West to retaliate with nukes and bring on "blessed" Armageddon and free ride to heaven for all true Shia.

When I questioned him a bit, he followed up by emailing me dozens of website links ABSOLUTELY "proving" it all to be true

Apparently many in Iran, especially from his cult, believe this stuff and their "proof" as strongly as cultists of other cloths have their very different theories and internet "proof"

While kooky, its every bit as "proven" as any of the other cults

Since 9/11 I have run into a total of 4 groups (four) that have theories and "links to absolute proofs" .. all very different stories from each other. The world is filled with cult kooks / conspiracy theorists of every flavor, all having absolute proof of their theory

As to flat earthers, they are very different from the other groups / cults. Yes, they are equally kooky and have troves of "links to absolute proofs" ... BUT are harmless .. . and thus very different from the many other groups / cults ... having not been derived from hate of other groups as their rai·son d'ê·tre behind / driving their beliefs

That is a good one.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: cc on September 16, 2018, 12:31:34 PM

Ya, that one had so much "proof" and was so believable that it had me planning to sell my nazi uniform

and checking out prayer mats and burkas on the net

I didn't want to miss out on a free ride to "Shia 12ver-only special heaven" ... and make my stand against the evil and hated West all in one go

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 16, 2018, 01:25:22 PM

Reasons to believe 9-11 was muslims

1. I saw a video of the first plane flying into the building and then I saw the second one live.

2. Multiple people on those planes called relatives talking about arab hijackers.

3. Bin laden took credit for it

4. Many Muslims hate the west, they have the biggest motive to do it.

5. Muslims had already tried to blow up the WTC once before

6. Muslims coordinate large scale attacks against western targets all the time

Add it all up and its the narrative by far that makes the most sense BASED ON THE EVIDENCE

of course if you want to ignore the evidence and engage in rampant speculation based on nothing, you might as well believe aliens from mars did it.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 02:28:05 PM

~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~Was China behind 911?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hPKeZCdU4o

I'm not going to waste 25 mins of my life watching a video that is quite clearly pure dis-information.

I presume you have watched the video from start to finish considering the fact that you chose to post it in an effort to back up your argument, so can you answer a few questions?

Does it show Chinese people being interviewed on tv saying that they were in America on 9/11 for the purpose of 'documenting' a terrorist attack? Also is there any evidence around exposing the Chinese for committing false flag terror attacks against the US?

See how my argument differs to yours?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 02:35:19 PM

~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~
~~Quote from: "iron horse jockey"~~Was China behind 911?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hPKeZCdU4o

It's on youtube , so it has to be true. Once again, Scouse wins the Gomer award.

Once again, you prove how you're such a great contributor to the forum. :001_rolleyes:

One line replies and petty insults is about all you bring to the table....... how on earth would the place manage without your razor-sharp wit and quality input???

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 02:42:07 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~Reasons to believe 9-11 was muslims

1. I saw a video of the first plane flying into the building and then I saw the second one live.

2. Multiple people on those planes called relatives talking about arab hijackers.

3. Bin laden took credit for it

4. Many Muslims hate the west, they have the biggest motive to do it.

5. Muslims had already tried to blow up the WTC once before

6. Muslims coordinate large scale attacks against western targets all the time

Add it all up and its the narrative by far that makes the most sense BASED ON THE EVIDENCE

of course if you want to ignore the evidence and engage in rampant speculation based on nothing, you might as well believe aliens from mars did it.

I'm not denying that arabs hijacked the planes, as I said before I believe that both the US and Israeli establishment collaborated and turned a blind eye to the immiment threat, possibly even funding the terrorists and supplying them with weapons along the way, so that their phony war on terror in the Middle East could take place with the support of the public.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 02:45:42 PM

~~Quote from: "cc"~~I got a better one

I have an islamic friend from a Shia offshoot cult that only 2 years after 9 / 11 and in all seriousness informed me that an Xian Armageddonist group from S. Western US colluded with Armageddonist Shia 12vers to put the Armageddonist Shia 12ver guy in the silly dress into power in Iran in 79.

Then it got better. Later they organized / tricked KSM, Mo Atta and Co to do 9/11 (even though they were all Sunnis) ... all toward getting the evil and hated US and West to retaliate with nukes and bring on "blessed" Armageddon c/w free ride to heaven for all true Shia that 12vers believe.

When I questioned him a bit, he followed up by emailing me dozens of website links ABSOLUTELY "proving" it all to be true

Apparently many in Iran, especially from his cult, believe this stuff and their "proof" as strongly as cultists of other cloths have their very different theories and internet "proof"

While kooky, its every bit as "proven" as any of the other cults

Since 9/11 I have run into a total of 4 groups (four) that have theories and "links to absolute proofs" .. all very different stories from each other. The world is filled with cult kooks / conspiracy theorists of every flavor, all having absolute proof of their theory

As to flat earthers, they are very different from the other groups / cults. Yes, they are equally kooky and have troves of "links to absolute proofs" ... BUT are harmless .. . and thus very different from the many other groups / cults ... having not been derived from hate of other groups as their rai·son d'ê·tre behind / driving their beliefs

Lay off the gin CC, your responses are becoming more garbled and incoherent by the day....

Any thoughts on the proven Zionist false flag attacks which I have mentioned?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 16, 2018, 02:55:44 PM

~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~Reasons to believe 9-11 was muslims

1. I saw a video of the first plane flying into the building and then I saw the second one live.

2. Multiple people on those planes called relatives talking about arab hijackers.

3. Bin laden took credit for it

4. Many Muslims hate the west, they have the biggest motive to do it.

5. Muslims had already tried to blow up the WTC once before

6. Muslims coordinate large scale attacks against western targets all the time

Add it all up and its the narrative by far that makes the most sense BASED ON THE EVIDENCE

of course if you want to ignore the evidence and engage in rampant speculation based on nothing, you might as well believe aliens from mars did it.

I'm not denying that arabs hijacked the planes, as I said before I believe that both the US and Israeli establishment collaborated and turned a blind eye to the immiment threat, possibly even funding the terrorists and supplying them with weapons along the way, so that their phony war on terror in the Middle East could take place with the support of the public.
What is the evidence for this view?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2018, 04:48:20 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~Reasons to believe 9-11 was muslims

1. I saw a video of the first plane flying into the building and then I saw the second one live.

2. Multiple people on those planes called relatives talking about arab hijackers.

3. Bin laden took credit for it

4. Many Muslims hate the west, they have the biggest motive to do it.

5. Muslims had already tried to blow up the WTC once before

6. Muslims coordinate large scale attacks against western targets all the time

Add it all up and its the narrative by far that makes the most sense BASED ON THE EVIDENCE

of course if you want to ignore the evidence and engage in rampant speculation based on nothing, you might as well believe aliens from mars did it.

I'm not denying that arabs hijacked the planes, as I said before I believe that both the US and Israeli establishment collaborated and turned a blind eye to the immiment threat, possibly even funding the terrorists and supplying them with weapons along the way, so that their phony war on terror in the Middle East could take place with the support of the public.
What is the evidence for this view?

Youtube.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 16, 2018, 04:54:12 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~Reasons to believe 9-11 was muslims

1. I saw a video of the first plane flying into the building and then I saw the second one live.

2. Multiple people on those planes called relatives talking about arab hijackers.

3. Bin laden took credit for it

4. Many Muslims hate the west, they have the biggest motive to do it.

5. Muslims had already tried to blow up the WTC once before

6. Muslims coordinate large scale attacks against western targets all the time

Add it all up and its the narrative by far that makes the most sense BASED ON THE EVIDENCE

of course if you want to ignore the evidence and engage in rampant speculation based on nothing, you might as well believe aliens from mars did it.

I'm not denying that arabs hijacked the planes, as I said before I believe that both the US and Israeli establishment collaborated and turned a blind eye to the immiment threat, possibly even funding the terrorists and supplying them with weapons along the way, so that their phony war on terror in the Middle East could take place with the support of the public.
What is the evidence for this view?

Here Fox News reports on Israeli involvement in 9/11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaGTozMm4Wg

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 16, 2018, 07:25:37 PM

Now the Jews did it. No, wait. The Chinese. Or was it Bush? Hmmm... ac_umm , the Iranians seem like a good bet...

ac_lmfao

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 16, 2018, 11:20:30 PM

Does that hand up your ass hurt when it makes your face snicker, laugh, cry, or pout?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 16, 2018, 11:33:34 PM

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~Now the Jews did it. No, wait. The Chinese. Or was it Bush? Hmmm... ac_umm , the Iranians seem like a good bet...

ac_lmfao

Everybody can find a youtube video to "prove" it was everone except Al Qaeda. :crazy:

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2018, 12:41:33 AM

Freud could find a Youtube video that PROVES that he is smarter than a koala.

Anything is thus possible.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 17, 2018, 02:25:29 AM

He must be pretty smart if he's got you obsessing about him from afar and for a number of years.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2018, 02:51:01 AM

Really?

What part of his schtick reflects intelligence???

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 17, 2018, 03:24:12 AM

Your name is apt although it might have been even better if it were Bricks-Up-Top. ac_hithere

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2018, 03:57:03 AM

Like I said...where's this intelligence of which you speak?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 17, 2018, 04:40:04 AM

:laugh:

You've got a lot of bricks up there.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2018, 06:42:42 AM

If you were any lamer, you'd be in a wheelchair.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 17, 2018, 10:01:50 AM

~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~Reasons to believe 9-11 was muslims

1. I saw a video of the first plane flying into the building and then I saw the second one live.

2. Multiple people on those planes called relatives talking about arab hijackers.

3. Bin laden took credit for it

4. Many Muslims hate the west, they have the biggest motive to do it.

5. Muslims had already tried to blow up the WTC once before

6. Muslims coordinate large scale attacks against western targets all the time

Add it all up and its the narrative by far that makes the most sense BASED ON THE EVIDENCE

of course if you want to ignore the evidence and engage in rampant speculation based on nothing, you might as well believe aliens from mars did it.

I'm not denying that arabs hijacked the planes, as I said before I believe that both the US and Israeli establishment collaborated and turned a blind eye to the immiment threat, possibly even funding the terrorists and supplying them with weapons along the way, so that their phony war on terror in the Middle East could take place with the support of the public.
What is the evidence for this view?

Here Fox News reports on Israeli involvement in 9/11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaGTozMm4Wg

I am sure there are lots of spies in the US. Israeli, Russian Chinese a bunch of others as well. The idea that they knew is somewhat far fetched, the idea that they were part of it (Muslims working with Israelis??? I don't think so) makes no sense to me.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 17, 2018, 10:09:44 AM

I looked around and found a very good explanation of why the towers fell and firemen and police hearing what they thought were explosions.

Airplanes are made out of mostly aluminum. When Aluminum is molten and combines with water (like from a sprinkler system) it becomes explosive, burning hotter and faster. That would have provided enough heat to weaken the steel girders to cause the building to come down.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2018, 10:48:41 AM

Book says China involved in 9-11 attacks

https://www.wnd.com/2001/12/12017/

My point being that there are so many conspiracy theories about 9/11..

THE USA received plenty of warnings about that day.

The US administration, CIA and FBI received multiple prior warnings from foreign governments and intelligence services, including France, Germany, the UK, Israel, Jordan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Morocco and Russia.[5][31] The warnings varied in their level of detail, but all stated that they believed an al-Qaeda attack inside the United States was imminent. British Member of Parliament Michael Meacher cites these warnings, suggesting that some of them must have been deliberately ignored.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 17, 2018, 11:55:47 AM

~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~Book says China involved in 9-11 attacks

https://www.wnd.com/2001/12/12017/

My point being that there are so many conspiracy theories about 9/11..

THE USA received plenty of warnings about that day.

The US administration, CIA and FBI received multiple prior warnings from foreign governments and intelligence services, including France, Germany, the UK, Israel, Jordan, Afghanistan, Egypt, Morocco and Russia.[5][31] The warnings varied in their level of detail, but all stated that they believed an al-Qaeda attack inside the United States was imminent. British Member of Parliament Michael Meacher cites these warnings, suggesting that some of them must have been deliberately ignored.
There are warnings of attacks all the time. There's not much you can do unless you know the exact nature of the attack. I believe SOME had been about possible hijackings, but in the past hijackings were not that big a deal Someone would hijack a plane, take it to another country and eventually let everybody go. Nobody ever thought people flying planes into buildings.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2018, 06:35:18 PM

Not quite true.

The use of cars, trucks and aircraft WERE considered as terror weapons way back in the 80's...however, for obvious reasons the threat level was considered minute. After all, you'd need a suicidal pilot to fly the thing.

Humanity's creativity in killing never ceases to amaze.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 17, 2018, 06:47:06 PM

I recall reading something about passenger planes as a weapon being published well before 9/11.

It wasn't a far stretch back then to think about semi trucks and other road vehicles being used the same but on a slightly lesser outcome, unless the driver was Westernized and experienced.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2018, 06:49:27 PM

The threat level was considered low, because there were very few muslims living in western countries, and the general belief was that any act of terror would be carried out by a foreign national who would be picked up through immigration.

And of course, providing training to the pilots before they hijacked the planes was never considered.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 17, 2018, 07:15:36 PM

Yeah because Cessna training makes it really easy to fly passenger jets with pinpoint accuracy at quite narrow towers in the sky.

Obviously!

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2018, 07:34:49 PM

Ah...so WHO was flying the aircraft?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 17, 2018, 07:44:50 PM

Not a Cessna trainee with just a few lessons under their belt x2. Three if you consider how a non existent third plane never materialised yet building 7 had to be brought down anyway.

It's been a complete psych-ops and overall whitewash, facts be damned. Only a stupid and by default a cowardly government employee worried about their retirement wouldn't question it.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2018, 08:10:02 PM

Freud vs The World of Fact and Reason.

Quite the little anarchist, aintcha, cupcake.

However, I ask again...who WAS flying the aircraft?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: JOE on September 17, 2018, 08:17:20 PM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~Not a Cessna trainee with just a few lessons under their belt x2. Three if you consider how a non existent third plane never materialised yet building 7 had to be brought down anyway.

It's been a complete psych-ops and overall whitewash, facts be damned. Only a stupid and by default a cowardly government employee worried about their retirement wouldn't question it.

For once, I agree with you dinky.

Flying a jet at such low altitude without hitting or clipping another building would take a great deal of skill and experience. And then hitting its target or 'sweet spot' on the precise floor. Those are the kind of stunts they feature at air shows. Low altitude jumbo jet flying by highly experienced pilots.

I read somewhere that flying a jet into the wtc like they did is the pilots equivalent of threading the 'eye of the needle'. No amateurs need apply thank you.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 17, 2018, 08:38:38 PM

~~Quote from: "Brick4brains"~~However, I ask again...who WAS flying the aircraft?

Refer all further questions to my Truth in 9/11 compadre Joe.

~~Quote from: "JOE"~~
~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~Not a Cessna trainee with just a few lessons under their belt x2. Three if you consider how a non existent third plane never materialised yet building 7 had to be brought down anyway.

It's been a complete psych-ops and overall whitewash, facts be damned. Only a stupid and by default a cowardly government employee worried about their retirement wouldn't question it.

For once, I agree with you dinky.

Flying a jet at such low altitude without hitting or clipping another building would take a great deal of skill and experience. And then hitting its target or 'sweet spot' on the precise floor. Those are the kind of stunts they feature at air shows. Low altitude jumbo jet flying by highly experienced pilots.

I read somewhere that flying a jet into the wtc like they did is the pilots equivalent of threading the 'eye of the needle'. No amateurs need apply thank you.

But but but but but, Bricktop used to do investomogations back in the eighties so he understands modern jet flight, rocket science, hydroponics, scrapbooking, and Devonshire Tea etiquette!

He might be even be related to Sherlock Holmes!

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2018, 10:05:19 PM

As usual, questions are asked, and deflection is proffered.

Surely you must realise how much of an idiot you appear as? Nobody could be as stupid as you without some inner conscience screaming at you to shut the fuck up, because each time you hit the "Enter" key you raise the idiocy level to new heights.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 18, 2018, 02:24:03 AM

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~As usual, questions are asked, and deflection is proffered.

Surely you must realise how much of an idiot you appear as? Nobody could be as stupid as you without some inner conscience screaming at you to shut the fuck up, because each time you hit the "Enter" key you raise the idiocy level to new heights.

ac_toofunny You were saying?

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~
~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~
~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~
~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~The reason the thread title got jacked?

A request was made and it was edited..

I grant reasonable requests from other posters too including yourself when you requested posts be moved to MIscellaneous Thread Derailment in RR.

The person who requested my thread title be changed was not reasonable.

Au contraire, my little nutslapper...pretending to be a female to fool and deceive members of this forum is unreasonable.

But let it not be said I am not empathetic to your discomfort.

Here...https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Ox0Uwwd1f8s%2FTZwAQplkQRI%2FAAAAAAAAByc%2FaUTX1xqsTBc%2Fs1600%2FTissue-Box-Cry-Baby.jpg&f=1[/img]

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~Yeah.

While we're at it, lets get scientists to visit every crime scene and examine every speck of dust, not to mention take air samples, examine the roof and check the tin of baked beans for Russian nerve agent.

We wouldn't because there is NO point, and it would cost a large amount of money to have a flock of fame-chasers running around making ludicrous claims.

:crazy:

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gHbwT_R9t0

Note the nationality of the participants.

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~Now the Jews did it. No, wait. The Chinese. Or was it Bush? Hmmm... ac_umm , the Iranians seem like a good bet...

ac_lmfao

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~If you were any lamer, you'd be in a wheelchair.

That's just this thread so far and it's unusually mild for even you. You slide in and out of varying extremes of deflection and attempted insult, then pretend you're above it all without notice or evidence.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 18, 2018, 03:46:58 AM

Wait...

YOU'RE the one with the conspiracy theory, pickle dick.

I'm just asking for you to support your bullshit with facts...any fact will do.

But you don't...because you and I both know that anything you throw up will be shot down.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 18, 2018, 04:09:06 AM

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~Wait...

YOU'RE the one with the conspiracy theory, pickle dick.

I'm just asking for you to support your bullshit with facts...any fact will do.

But you don't...because you and I both know that anything you throw up will be shot down.

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~I never suggested anything other than the fact that a handful of Israelis were witnessed dancing as 9/11 unfolded. That they were dressed as Arabs or that the moving company owner later fled the country does however pose many questions.

At that point.

I later mentioned the high improbability that Cessna flight school could prepare a very amateur pilot for pinpoint skyscraper hits in a supposed passenger jet.

These are facts.

Do with these facts as you will. Maybe accuse me of what you've done towards me, if that's all you've got.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 18, 2018, 04:45:06 AM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~I never suggested anything other than the fact that a handful of Israelis were witnessed dancing as 9/11 unfolded. That they were dressed as Arabs or that the moving company owner later fled the country does however pose many questions.

WHAT FUCKING QUESTIONS????? Where are these F A C T S???

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~I later mentioned the high improbability that Cessna flight school could prepare a very amateur pilot for pinpoint skyscraper hits in a supposed passenger jet.

These are facts.

Do with these facts as you will. Maybe accuse me of what you've done towards me, if that's all you've got.

"high improbability" is not a F A C T.

Where is the evidence of what training they undertook?? You make statements...but where is the empirical, sworn evidence that supports the statements?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2018, 05:02:01 AM

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~
~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~I never suggested anything other than the fact that a handful of Israelis were witnessed dancing as 9/11 unfolded. That they were dressed as Arabs or that the moving company owner later fled the country does however pose many questions.

WHAT FUCKING QUESTIONS????? Where are these F A C T S???

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~I later mentioned the high improbability that Cessna flight school could prepare a very amateur pilot for pinpoint skyscraper hits in a supposed passenger jet.

These are facts.

Do with these facts as you will. Maybe accuse me of what you've done towards me, if that's all you've got.

"high improbability" is not a F A C T.

Where is the evidence of what training they undertook?? You make statements...but where is the empirical, sworn evidence that supports the statements?

He doesn't have any evidence.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Frood on September 18, 2018, 05:08:26 AM

Right, I have a couple of morons sniffing up my tail feathers. Yay surprise totes. :001_rolleyes:

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 18, 2018, 10:26:53 AM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~Reasons to believe 9-11 was muslims

1. I saw a video of the first plane flying into the building and then I saw the second one live.

2. Multiple people on those planes called relatives talking about arab hijackers.

3. Bin laden took credit for it

4. Many Muslims hate the west, they have the biggest motive to do it.

5. Muslims had already tried to blow up the WTC once before

6. Muslims coordinate large scale attacks against western targets all the time

Add it all up and its the narrative by far that makes the most sense BASED ON THE EVIDENCE

of course if you want to ignore the evidence and engage in rampant speculation based on nothing, you might as well believe aliens from mars did it.

I'm not denying that arabs hijacked the planes, as I said before I believe that both the US and Israeli establishment collaborated and turned a blind eye to the immiment threat, possibly even funding the terrorists and supplying them with weapons along the way, so that their phony war on terror in the Middle East could take place with the support of the public.
What is the evidence for this view?

Here Fox News reports on Israeli involvement in 9/11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaGTozMm4Wg

I am sure there are lots of spies in the US. Israeli, Russian Chinese a bunch of others as well. The idea that they knew is somewhat far fetched, the idea that they were part of it (Muslims working with Israelis??? I don't think so) makes no sense to me.

It says in the report that Israel conducts the most 'aggressive' spying and intelligence gathering, basically the nosey Jews think it's their right to stick their massive hook noses in other country's business.

From everything I have seen, I would say that Israel almost certainly had prior knowledge of the attack, it's virtually impossible for them not to have.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 18, 2018, 12:09:02 PM

~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~Reasons to believe 9-11 was muslims

1. I saw a video of the first plane flying into the building and then I saw the second one live.

2. Multiple people on those planes called relatives talking about arab hijackers.

3. Bin laden took credit for it

4. Many Muslims hate the west, they have the biggest motive to do it.

5. Muslims had already tried to blow up the WTC once before

6. Muslims coordinate large scale attacks against western targets all the time

Add it all up and its the narrative by far that makes the most sense BASED ON THE EVIDENCE

of course if you want to ignore the evidence and engage in rampant speculation based on nothing, you might as well believe aliens from mars did it.

I'm not denying that arabs hijacked the planes, as I said before I believe that both the US and Israeli establishment collaborated and turned a blind eye to the immiment threat, possibly even funding the terrorists and supplying them with weapons along the way, so that their phony war on terror in the Middle East could take place with the support of the public.
What is the evidence for this view?

Here Fox News reports on Israeli involvement in 9/11.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaGTozMm4Wg

I am sure there are lots of spies in the US. Israeli, Russian Chinese a bunch of others as well. The idea that they knew is somewhat far fetched, the idea that they were part of it (Muslims working with Israelis??? I don't think so) makes no sense to me.

It says in the report that Israel conducts the most 'aggressive' spying and intelligence gathering, basically the nosey Jews think it's their right to stick their massive hook noses in other country's business.

From everything I have seen, I would say that Israel almost certainly had prior knowledge of the attack, it's virtually impossible for them not to have.

fash posted that the Israeli government warned the US some sort of attack was coming. So they warned us attacks were coming and simultaneously kept it a secret? Doesn't make much sense.

Like others pointed out you might as well believe the Russians, the chinese or anyone else was in on it. Without evidence its just pure speculation.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 18, 2018, 12:25:26 PM

As far as I'm aware neither the Russians or Chinese benefited from what happened. Zionists however used the attack as an excuse to go on a rampage in the Middle East. There is also the small matter of the $2.3 trillion which was unaccounted for in the Pentagon expense reports which of course was destroyed in the attack...

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 18, 2018, 12:32:10 PM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~I later mentioned the high improbability that Cessna flight school could prepare a very amateur pilot for pinpoint skyscraper hits in a supposed passenger jet.
I have never flown a plane but I would think once you are at the right altitude steering into something wouldn't be that difficult if you've had simulator training. One of these towers probably isn't any thinner than the runways they have to land these planes on. Are there flight experts who have said this would be difficult to do? And if so how difficult?

Also on the flip side, if it wasn't pissed off Muslims flying into the towers who did it? How is the government going to talk some non muslims into killing hundreds of his fellow Americans? And the Muslims who hijacked the plane, are they really going to trust and work with a non muslim from the US government?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 18, 2018, 01:37:22 PM

~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~As far as I'm aware neither the Russians or Chinese benefited from what happened. Zionists however used the attack as an excuse to go on a rampage in the Middle East. There is also the small matter of the $2.3 trillion which was unaccounted for in the Pentagon expense reports which of course was destroyed in the attack...

Russia and China are both vying for top power in the world, destabilizing the US in any way would help them. Also, if you're going to pick a target for a rampage Why afghanistan. It's a desert with people living in the near stone age. they have have no oil they have nothing. If you're going to frame someone frame Saudi Arabia and take their oil. or if its for Israel why not attack an actual threat to israel like Iran?

Sorry I don't buy it. the best explanation for what happened is pissed off Muslims led by Al Qaeda crashed the towers etc. No other explanation has as good a reasoning behind it and fewer holes in it.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: cc on September 18, 2018, 01:45:00 PM

To understand that picture, one must understand the drastic difference between an "Excuse of convenience" (used to obtain support,

sympathy and justification) .. and the actual "Reason behind it"

One must also understand the actual motive of and driving force behind the perpetrators. I submit the kranny as the starting point

I will suggest not "pissed off Muslims led by Al Qaeda", rather done as a part of demonstrating and "advancing islamic supremacy over non islamics" .. which is what Al Q and every other strong believer on earth including many right within our society are all about ... simply following supremacist scriptures to assist allah in his oft stated long range plan in a great many scripture passages .... while spinning self-serving "Excuses" to the naive infidel non believers

To have not seen this one coming demonstrates a a combination of total lack of understanding what islam is all about ... on top of stupidity, ignorance and arrogance ... all extremely plentiful items within all Western leaders, bureaucrats and all security agencies ... still remaining today in the aftermath where very little has "been learned"

Neither the 1993 tower attack (by KSM's nephew, now jailed for it) nor the followup 2001 tower attack (engineered by KSM himself), nor the 1995 busted Bojinka plot (KSM's nephew and engineered by KSM) ... nor any of the other numerous events throughout the West ... were much of a learning experience for them

Our leaders and security agencies still do not "get it"

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2018, 03:58:14 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~As far as I'm aware neither the Russians or Chinese benefited from what happened. Zionists however used the attack as an excuse to go on a rampage in the Middle East. There is also the small matter of the $2.3 trillion which was unaccounted for in the Pentagon expense reports which of course was destroyed in the attack...

Russia and China are both vying for top power in the world, destabilizing the US in any way would help them. Also, if you're going to pick a target for a rampage Why afghanistan. It's a desert with people living in the near stone age. they have have no oil they have nothing. If you're going to frame someone frame Saudi Arabia and take their oil. or if its for Israel why not attack an actual threat to israel like Iran?

Sorry I don't buy it. the best explanation for what happened is pissed off Muslims led by Al Qaeda crashed the towers etc. No other explanation has as good a reasoning behind it and fewer holes in it.

We know who the people who carried out the attacks are. We know what their reason was. We know who the principal architect is, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. I have heard every idiotic conspiracy theory about 911 and they are all in denial.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 18, 2018, 06:47:30 PM

Or they are moronic trolls.

Like Freud.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 18, 2018, 07:07:54 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~As far as I'm aware neither the Russians or Chinese benefited from what happened. Zionists however used the attack as an excuse to go on a rampage in the Middle East. There is also the small matter of the $2.3 trillion which was unaccounted for in the Pentagon expense reports which of course was destroyed in the attack...

Russia and China are both vying for top power in the world, destabilizing the US in any way would help them. Also, if you're going to pick a target for a rampage Why afghanistan. It's a desert with people living in the near stone age. they have have no oil they have nothing. If you're going to frame someone frame Saudi Arabia and take their oil. or if its for Israel why not attack an actual threat to israel like Iran?

Sorry I don't buy it. the best explanation for what happened is pissed off Muslims led by Al Qaeda crashed the towers etc. No other explanation has as good a reasoning behind it and fewer holes in it.

So you honestly think that a handful of backward Islamic savages could commit the greatest atrocity in recent history against a global superpower like the US? Those dune coons can barely spell their own names...

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 18, 2018, 07:41:26 PM

So who flies their domestic aircraft?

Who pilots their military aircraft?

How about their private fleet?

Did you know that in a modern plane, its TOTALLY controlled by computer, and that pilot merely feeds in data as required? The Airbus A380 is capable of landing itself...no hands.

The terrorists were smart. They saw the weakness in domestic air transport security, and realised that with a modicum of training and input from pilots from friendly nations (Iran, Pakistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Saudi...to name but a few) they could hijack the aircraft and direct it to the target with amazing ease.

The only thing they would not be able to do is take off, and land. So, wait until the plane is in the air, take control and head to the target. Landing skills not required.

Underestimating the enemy is what enabled them to carry out their mission in the first place.

Watch this to see how an UNTRAINED non pilot can land an aircraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw6mjVIdbbc

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 18, 2018, 07:51:17 PM

The word 'smart' and Muslims rarely go together in the same sentence, unless 'not' is in there too.

Given the track history Israel has of committing false flag attacks, is it really all that far fetched to think that they were involved? I don't recall ever reading about any Chinese or Russian false flag terrorism.... that kind of devious, underhand behaviour is a Jewish trait.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2018, 07:59:45 PM

~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~The word 'smart' and Muslims rarely go together in the same sentence, unless 'not' is in there too.

Given the track history Israel has of committing false flag attacks, is it really all that far fetched to think that they were involved? I don't recall ever reading about any Chinese or Russian false flag terrorism.... that kind of devious, underhand behaviour is a Jewish trait.

Scouser, the attackers were muslimes. It was planned by muslimes. It was financed by muslimes. The attack follows Islamo teachings. Israel, like other US allies and even some adversaries warned the USA, but they did not see the attack as imminent or even credible.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: JOE on September 19, 2018, 09:20:44 AM

~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~
~~Quote from: "Brick4brains"~~However, I ask again...who WAS flying the aircraft?

Refer all further questions to my Truth in 9/11 compadre Joe.

~~Quote from: "JOE"~~
~~Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"~~Not a Cessna trainee with just a few lessons under their belt x2. Three if you consider how a non existent third plane never materialised yet building 7 had to be brought down anyway.

It's been a complete psych-ops and overall whitewash, facts be damned. Only a stupid and by default a cowardly government employee worried about their retirement wouldn't question it.

For once, I agree with you dinky.

Flying a jet at such low altitude without hitting or clipping another building would take a great deal of skill and experience. And then hitting its target or 'sweet spot' on the precise floor. Those are the kind of stunts they feature at air shows. Low altitude jumbo jet flying by highly experienced pilots.

I read somewhere that flying a jet into the wtc like they did is the pilots equivalent of threading the 'eye of the needle'. No amateurs need apply thank you.

But but but but but, Bricktop used to do investomogations back in the eighties so he understands modern jet flight, rocket science, hydroponics, scrapbooking, and Devonshire Tea etiquette!

He might be even be related to Sherlock Holmes!

And there is another question. Do tall skyscrapers collapse suddenly & completely in a neat & orderly fashion when a large plane hits them?

Heres 1945 footage of a bomber plane ramming into the Empire state building:

https://youtu.be/5YLWh8Rbp7o

Like the wtc, the bomber collided with the empire state building yet never collapsed.

Also, if you watch this video of the wtc, it would suggest that of a controlled explosion, not an unplanned spontaneous one:

https://youtu.be/ft2uIYucsXo

Watch how the building neatly comes down.

And this was the case with the other towers as well.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: JOE on September 19, 2018, 09:46:15 AM

Also the wtc towers didnt collapse on their side but vertically almost perfectly in a successful planned explosion leaving many neighboring buildings relatively untouched.

A developer's dream! Get ridda the eyesore nobody wanted to begin with yet leave the neighbors real estate intact. How convenient! Makes it so much easier to replace. Plus the other buildings owned by someone else were left undamaged. So really its a win win. There was always talk of replacing those towers anyways.

Heres what actually happens in planned explosions gone wrong, they tilt and fall on their sides

https://youtu.be/XHcCbY2wY38

how come the wtc buildings came down so vertically?

Wouldnt such tall structures wobble or fall on their sides when sliced in the middle like that and into the adjacent buildings? Or onto shorter buildings below?

And yet they fell vertically like a perfectly controlled demolition. And so quickly and efficiently too.

https://youtu.be/sYzIja6mlRs

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2018, 11:40:29 AM

A 767, the type of aircraft that knocked down the twin towers has a maximum take off weight of 395,000 lbs. The B-25 bomber that hit the empire state building in 1045 had a MTOW of 21,000 lbs. About one nineteenth the weight of the two 767's that knocked down the WTC.

Old Joe must have taken home economics instead of science in school.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: cc on September 19, 2018, 01:11:14 PM

~~Quote~~Old Joe must have taken home economics instead of science in school
Sounds like it

With him it's all because it's the US. Joe has had a overpowering hate for the US going back to old DV more than a decade ago when his nick was *.or? or something weird like that

Most every post was then and still is biatching about the US. He Is and always was compelled to start repetitive negative threads about the US constantly when none are available on screen

If the event had happened in EU or Canada, total acceptance and not a peep from him

Long ago said he lived in US a while - prolly got his ass booted and banned ... leaving him constantly mad at them and has to lash out regularly

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Wazzzup on September 19, 2018, 01:21:06 PM

And who wired the explosives in the building? The buildings fell top down, so whoever wired it was told to demolish a building with people in it from the top down, which nobody does, killing thousands of people. And none of these demolitions people said "no I won't kill thousands of people?" And after thousands were killed didn't blow the whistle on it even with a leak to the press?

Please.

BTW lots of people say the fire had to be hot enough to melt steel. no it did not. its just had to hot enough to weaken the steel supports.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 19, 2018, 04:56:40 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~And who wired the explosives in the building? The buildings fell top down, so whoever wired it was told to demolish a building with people in it from the top down, which nobody does, killing thousands of people. And none of these demolitions people said "no I won't kill thousands of people?" And after thousands were killed didn't blow the whistle on it even with a leak to the press?

Please.

BTW lots of people say the fire had to be hot enough to melt steel. no it did not. its just had to hot enough to weaken the steel supports.

Here is a video of 'lucky' Larry saying 'pull' WTC7.....

Surely rigging a building that size with explosives takes more than a few hours, especially when it's Firemen rather than explosive experts on the job?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2018, 06:26:06 PM

~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~And who wired the explosives in the building? The buildings fell top down, so whoever wired it was told to demolish a building with people in it from the top down, which nobody does, killing thousands of people. And none of these demolitions people said "no I won't kill thousands of people?" And after thousands were killed didn't blow the whistle on it even with a leak to the press?

Please.

BTW lots of people say the fire had to be hot enough to melt steel. no it did not. its just had to hot enough to weaken the steel supports.

Explaining science to ignorant, uneducated, brainwashed rubes like Scouse is like trying to teach a cat algebra. You'd probably have better luck turning your cat into a math whiz.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 20, 2018, 03:59:33 AM

~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~And who wired the explosives in the building? The buildings fell top down, so whoever wired it was told to demolish a building with people in it from the top down, which nobody does, killing thousands of people. And none of these demolitions people said "no I won't kill thousands of people?" And after thousands were killed didn't blow the whistle on it even with a leak to the press?

Please.

BTW lots of people say the fire had to be hot enough to melt steel. no it did not. its just had to hot enough to weaken the steel supports.

Explaining science to ignorant, uneducated, brainwashed rubes like Scouse is like trying to teach a cat algebra. You'd probably have better luck turning your cat into a math whiz.

Listen cuck-boi, why not dust off that sandy mangina of yours and add something of value to the discussion?

This latest 'troll' attempt of yours is really getting old....... And to be perfectly honest, if myself or certain other posters were behaving like you, our posts would most likely have been moved to RR.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2018, 08:57:20 AM

~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~
~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~
~~Quote from: "Wazzzup"~~And who wired the explosives in the building? The buildings fell top down, so whoever wired it was told to demolish a building with people in it from the top down, which nobody does, killing thousands of people. And none of these demolitions people said "no I won't kill thousands of people?" And after thousands were killed didn't blow the whistle on it even with a leak to the press?

Please.

BTW lots of people say the fire had to be hot enough to melt steel. no it did not. its just had to hot enough to weaken the steel supports.

Explaining science to ignorant, uneducated, brainwashed rubes like Scouse is like trying to teach a cat algebra. You'd probably have better luck turning your cat into a math whiz.

Listen cuck-boi, why not dust off that sandy mangina of yours and add something of value to the discussion?

This latest 'troll' attempt of yours is really getting old....... And to be perfectly honest, if myself or certain other posters were behaving like you, our posts would most likely have been moved to RR.

No, it's not RR worthy..

Seoul is not derailing a thread like Oscar does every time he drops by..

The thread is still about 911 conspiracy theories.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2018, 11:10:41 AM

~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~

Seoul is not derailing a thread like Oscar does every time he drops by..

The thread is still about 911 conspiracy theories.

Calling out repetitive ignorant anti scientific misinformation that conforms to a fringe agenda from a one trick pony is dissecting a post not spam. Scouse doesn't have the capacity to understand that.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 20, 2018, 12:55:41 PM

~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~
~~Quote from: "Fashionista"~~

Seoul is not derailing a thread like Oscar does every time he drops by..

The thread is still about 911 conspiracy theories.

Calling out repetitive ignorant anti scientific misinformation that conforms to a fringe agenda from a one trick pony is dissecting a post not spam. Scouse doesn't have the capacity to understand that.

You haven't debunked or disproved a single thing, all you've done is claim I'm wrong and thrown around the usual petty insults.

You are literally incapable of having a civil discussion without resorting to name calling. I must have really rustled those panties of yours in the past. :laugh3:

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: JOE on September 20, 2018, 04:27:57 PM

While I try to avoid siding with this video author or drawing hasty conclusions,nonetheless it does make mention that there was a desire by the new owner Larry Silverstein to get rid of the WTC a year before the 911 disaster occurred.

https://youtu.be/tIKtA0Odo2o

I seem to recall that many people considered the WTC an eyesore on the New York skyline.

This was mentioned often long before anyone had terrorism on their minds.

Regardless of who done it, at least more than a few people whether intentional or not got their wish.

911 occured just 1 week after Silverstein took ownership of the building.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2018, 05:41:45 PM

~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~

You haven't debunked or disproved a single thing, all you've done is claim I'm wrong and thrown around the usual petty insults.

My silly little brainwashed, yellow toothed friend. You are the one who claims the engineering facts are wrong. Therefore the onus is upon you to prove that you with your grade ten education understands civil engineering better than the engineers themselves.

~~Quote~~FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

The urban legend that 4,000 Israelis were notified emanated in Al-Manar, the pro-Palestinian "Channel of Arabs and Muslims". The rumor apparently originated with a relatively innocuous Israeli news report speculating that about 4,000 Israelis were believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the 9/11 attacks, and that tidbit quickly morphed into the idea that 4,000 Israelis — all of them employees of companies housed in one or the other of the WTC towers — had all suspiciously failed to show up for work on 9/11. Syria's government-owned Al Thawra newspaper may have been the first newspaper to make the "4,000 Jews" claim. About ten per cent of the people who died in the twin towers attacks were Jews which about the same as the population of NYC itself.

I can explain tower seven to you as well if you like, But, somehow I doubt you will listen much less comprehend.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: cc on September 20, 2018, 05:47:20 PM

but .. but ... but .... Utube

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 20, 2018, 05:58:28 PM

Any chance of leaving a source for that particular perspective of events so I can research it more thoroughly?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 20, 2018, 06:09:51 PM

Also, I have never claimed to believe the rumour that many Jews were warned on the morning of the attack not to go to work. Although it is worth noting that 'lucky' Larry and his daughter were nowhere near the towers when they fell...

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2018, 06:15:48 PM

~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~
~~Quote from: "SCOUSE"~~

You haven't debunked or disproved a single thing, all you've done is claim I'm wrong and thrown around the usual petty insults.

My silly little brainwashed, yellow toothed friend. You are the one who claims the engineering facts are wrong. Therefore the onus is upon you to prove that you with your grade ten education understands civil engineering better than the engineers themselves.

~~Quote~~FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength—and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

The urban legend that 4,000 Israelis were notified emanated in Al-Manar, the pro-Palestinian "Channel of Arabs and Muslims". The rumor apparently originated with a relatively innocuous Israeli news report speculating that about 4,000 Israelis were believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the 9/11 attacks, and that tidbit quickly morphed into the idea that 4,000 Israelis — all of them employees of companies housed in one or the other of the WTC towers — had all suspiciously failed to show up for work on 9/11. Syria's government-owned Al Thawra newspaper may have been the first newspaper to make the "4,000 Jews" claim. About ten per cent of the people who died in the twin towers attacks were Jews which about the same as the population of NYC itself.

I can explain tower seven to you as well if you like, But, somehow I doubt you will listen much less comprehend.

True enough.

Every 911 conspiracy theory from the Bush family, to the Pentagon to Pakistan and Israel is so easily debunked. But, 911 conspiracy theories have become an industry with a sucker sold all the time.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: JOE on September 20, 2018, 06:20:33 PM

~~Quote from: "cc"~~but .. but ... but .... Utube

Actually, reviewing actual footage of the wtc building collapse has made me ask how such large buildings could collapse so perfectly, systematicalky while leaving the surrounding and ajacent buildings relatively unaffected and still usable after the disaster.

In this yt video which i will post again, the wtc falls in perfect vertical alignment.

https://youtu.be/sYzIja6mlRs

If you place a ruler or straight edge beside the wtc on the video, it doesnt even sway nor fall anywhere on its side.

Ive seen buildings falling down and the outer walls fall outwards during a fire and if the building falls its often on its side.

How come this unforseen disaster yielded such a perfect collapse and in such a timely nanner?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: cc on September 20, 2018, 06:28:32 PM

what the video cannot show is the 300,000 jews with jet backpacks (secretly designed to make them invisible) .. pushing against it and holding it up straight

the team worked for years perfecting their technique

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Aryan on September 20, 2018, 06:32:51 PM

CC defending everything which is Kosher, who"d a thunk it??? :shock:

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 20, 2018, 06:33:56 PM

If you look REAL close, the smoke forms a sequence of letters..."C I A"...

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: JOE on September 20, 2018, 07:25:22 PM

~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~If you look REAL close, the smoke forms a sequence of letters..."C I A"...

Well for an ex cop you dont appear to exhibit the qualities I'd find from someone in that field who usually have reputations for being inquisitive, logical and deductive in their reasoning.

Btw I looked at videos of the recent London uk high rise fire and what i saw amazed me when comparing it to the wtc collapse. In the london fire the outside or external cladding appears to have burned up and was falling off the sides of the building and onto the ground.

https://youtu.be/IReIUJd5B_o

And as bad as the fire was, it was left standing after the fire. Yet in the wtc collapse not only did the inner core disintegrate, the outer shell of the building was mostly intact Until the towers fell down.

So how does this happen when footage from other disasters so suggests completely the opposite reaction?

How does a jet induce internal combustion like that when a similar crash several years earlier failed to take down the empire state building which was much older and supposedly out of dste and obsolete engineering methods?

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Bricktop on September 20, 2018, 07:43:48 PM

~~Quote from: "JOE"~~
~~Quote from: "Bricktop"~~If you look REAL close, the smoke forms a sequence of letters..."C I A"...

Well for an ex cop you dont appear to exhibit the qualities I'd find from someone in that field who usually have reputations for being inquisitive, logical and deductive in their reasoning.

Joe...Joe...Joe...the fact that I don't agree with YOUR highly developed investigative capabilities does not necessarily mean mine are deficient. In fact...and I'm going out on a limb here...given MY experience, as compared to yours (with the rider that I am unfamiliar with the investigative expertise necessary in driving a car for money), it may be possible that MY "quality" is somewhat superior to yours.

Just throwing it out there, buddy...

~~Quote from: "JOE"~~Btw I looked at videos of the recent London uk high rise fire and what i saw amazed me when comparing it to the wtc collapse. In the london fire the outside or external cladding appears to have burned up and was falling off the sides of the building and onto the ground.

And as bad as the fire was, it was left standing after the fire. Yet in the wtc collapse not only did the inner core disintegrate, the outer shell of the building was mostly intact Until the towers fell down.

So how does this happen when footage from other disasters so suggests completely the opposite reaction?

How does a jet induce internal combustion like that when a similar crash several years earlier failed to take down the empire state building which was much older and supposedly out of dste and obsolete engineering methods?

Gee...that means that every house that catches fire ought to collapse as well, right? Because after all, fire is fire is fire.

Joe, again I must call upon my experience. MANY houses and buildings suffer collapse after a fire...typically the roof collapses, and may take a wall or two with it. I have attended fires where all that was left was the iron roof lying on a pile of ash and rubble.

Now, I freely admit I am not qualified to properly assess the cause and effect of the 9/11 buildings collapse, but let's be honest, Joe. Neither are you.

And referring back to my experience...you may be surprised to learn that when investigating a crime, or accident, or fire multiple witnesses will see vastly different scenarios of the event. Believing every version is a fool's errand. So, each perspective must be closely examined to ensure veracity.

I suggest...before you engage the opinions of others...you do a little due diligence on the qualification, motive, mindset and POLITICAL persuasion of the witness.

Good luck on your application to the Police Academy.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2018, 08:20:10 PM

The problem with various conspiracy theorists is that they arrive at a conclusion first and try to work backwards to support it. Kind of like the global warming alarmists except they don't have some "scientific" bodies backing their assertions.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: JOE on September 20, 2018, 08:36:11 PM

Well if it makes you right wingers happier, the same kind of lies & deception which characterized the Bush administration were prevalent under Obama too.

Eg the African bomber who entered the USA without a passport and was let on a plane with explosives because he want properly searched. And what do you know? After that incident where he was subdued, body scan technologies are deployed at all airports no questions asked. Suspiciously, these technologies were being promoted by the news networks only a few months before. My what a coincidence, especially since after 911, this incident should never have occured under the Obama administration given the safeguards already in place. Plus the bomber suspect had links with al qaida and had been visiting countries on the terrorist watch list. And the authorities didnt know and still let him in the USA ? Cmon

I also believe that was an inside job too.

I think since 911 the world had indeed changed. Not only did many Amerixans stop thinking or question events, so did much of the world.

Except for a few of us who question the motives and abuses of power from those on the left or right.

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: cc on September 20, 2018, 09:18:04 PM

Don't worry, Joe Joe. You are not entirely alone. This world has lots of bottom feeding hateful nutcakes

However, here's a story that is actually true

The lady, Joanne "JoJo" Capestro, in the iconic 9/11 picture - she eventually made it outside the building and to ground level, she ran into a friend, and the two made a dash to leave Ground Zero, just as the South Tower collapsed.

That's when photographer Phil Penman captured the iconic photograph of Capestro and her friend, who are seen covered in debris, ash and dirt. Capestro even appears to be barefoot.

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has same photographer do her wedding pictures - Years later, as both Penman and Capestro were donating their work and belongings related to the terror attacks to the 9/11 museum, the two decided to meet.

And since then, the duo has remained in touch — close enough that Capestro asked Penman to photograph her wedding.

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Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2018, 09:38:14 PM

~~Quote from: "JOE"~~Well if it makes you right wingers happier, the same kind of lies & deception which characterized the Bush administration were prevalent under Obama too.

Eg the African bomber who entered the USA without a passport and was let on a plane with explosives because he want properly searched. And what do you know? After that incident where he was subdued, body scan technologies are deployed at all airports no questions asked. Suspiciously, these technologies were being promoted by the news networks only a few months before. My what a coincidence, especially since after 911, this incident should never have occured under the Obama administration given the safeguards already in place. Plus the bomber suspect had links with al qaida and had been visiting countries on the terrorist watch list. And the authorities didnt know and still let him in the USA ? Cmon

I also believe that was an inside job too.

I think since 911 the world had indeed changed. Not only did many Amerixans stop thinking or question events, so did much of the world.

Except for a few of us who question the motives and abuses of power from those on the left or right.

Right wingers.in North America. ac_lmfao

Title: Re: It's a 911 Anniversary for 17 years
Post by: Anonymous on September 20, 2018, 09:56:13 PM

~~Quote from: "Herman"~~
~~Quote from: "JOE"~~Well if it makes you right wingers happier, the same kind of lies & deception which characterized the Bush administration were prevalent under Obama too.

Eg the African bomber who entered the USA without a passport and was let on a plane with explosives because he want properly searched. And what do you know? After that incident where he was subdued, body scan technologies are deployed at all airports no questions asked. Suspiciously, these technologies were being promoted by the news networks only a few months before. My what a coincidence, especially since after 911, this incident should never have occured under the Obama administration given the safeguards already in place. Plus the bomber suspect had links with al qaida and had been visiting countries on the terrorist watch list. And the authorities didnt know and still let him in the USA ? Cmon

I also believe that was an inside job too.

I think since 911 the world had indeed changed. Not only did many Amerixans stop thinking or question events, so did much of the world.

Except for a few of us who question the motives and abuses of power from those on the left or right.

Right wingers.in North America. ac_lmfao

All there is are a large and powerful prog cartel who control all politics, business and media. And on the other side you have those that resist the prog fascists. We have neither the money nor power of the prog establishment.

THeBlueCashew

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