THeBlueCashew

Quote from: "caskur"How many poor Chinese job slaves committed suicide working in Apple sweatshops in China?

Quote from: "Bricktop"Probably less than those that built your Panasonic camera, or Samsung TV, or Nike shoes.



But the Indians that made your clothes are on easy street. Some have lodgings that don't let the monsoonal rain in!!



Meanwhile, Australian manufacturing has disappeared because unions demand higher and higher wages...

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Quote from: "Bricktop"Probably less than those that built your Panasonic camera, or Samsung TV, or Nike shoes.



But the Indians that made your clothes are on easy street. Some have lodgings that don't let the monsoonal rain in!!



Meanwhile, Australian manufacturing has disappeared because unions demand higher and higher wages...

And our scummy businessmen took off to exploit Chinese wage slaves... What heroes they are.





Disgusting.





Who is more likely to flood our country with cheap immigrant labour, the libs or the labs?... think about it.

QuoteI'm not interested in "cheap labour".... if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

Quote from: "caskur"Most people want their goods to last, not break which is what "cheap" is all about.



So now Bangladeshi's are exploited. And the rorting goes on... I have no respect for this behaviour.

Quote from: "caskur"I'm not interested in "cheap labour".... if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.



Pay the workers their rightful share or fuck off. That's my motto.

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "caskur"I'm not interested in "cheap labour".... if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.



Pay the workers their rightful share or fuck off. That's my motto.

You might think it's bad, but capitalism has increase China's national minimum wage by at least 15x since the past 20 years.  For most Chinese manufacturers heavily back up by labours, on average 90% of the revenue goes to the workers and expense.

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Quote from: "caskur"I'm not interested in "cheap labour".... if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.



Pay the workers their rightful share or fuck off. That's my motto.

You might think it's bad, but capitalism has increase China's national minimum wage by at least 15x since the past 20 years.  For most Chinese manufacturers heavily back up by labours, on average 90% of the revenue goes to the workers and expense.

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Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "caskur"I'm not interested in "cheap labour".... if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.



Pay the workers their rightful share or fuck off. That's my motto.

You might think it's bad, but capitalism has increase China's national minimum wage by at least 15x since the past 20 years.  For most Chinese manufacturers heavily back up by labours, on average 90% of the revenue goes to the workers and expense.

That's why China has increasingly been priced out of a number of sectors by those in Asia Minor. The newer Chinese middle class and kids have higher options.



Shoes and textiles being two of those areas.

Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "caskur"I'm not interested in "cheap labour".... if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.



Pay the workers their rightful share or fuck off. That's my motto.

You might think it's bad, but capitalism has increase China's national minimum wage by at least 15x since the past 20 years.  For most Chinese manufacturers heavily back up by labours, on average 90% of the revenue goes to the workers and expense.

That's why China has increasingly been priced out of a number of sectors by those in Asia Minor. The newer Chinese middle class and kids have higher options.



Shoes and textiles being two of those areas.

Quote from: "caskur"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "caskur"I'm not interested in "cheap labour".... if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.



Pay the workers their rightful share or fuck off. That's my motto.

You might think it's bad, but capitalism has increase China's national minimum wage by at least 15x since the past 20 years.  For most Chinese manufacturers heavily back up by labours, on average 90% of the revenue goes to the workers and expense.

There are two Chinas... the ruling elite state capitalist class and then there is the down trodden communist working class living in abject poverty and squalor breathing filthy air or dying in mines because the ruling class do not care about the workers.

Quote from: "caskur"You guys are in Lalaland about China... sad really.

QuoteIs their any reason why China can't organize their own healthy baby formula? Looks like poor ol' Chinese mums in China don't trust their baby formula and have to buy it at astronimical inflated prices from their black market.

Quote from: "caskur"It's not 10 years old... they're still doing it.



See, you guys need to catch up. Don't worry, I'll fill you in about what's going on in ol' mainland China. I don't have rose coloured glasses on.

Quote from: "Herman"What would someone in Australia who has no connection to China give two shits about a product safety scandal in the past in China? Unless of course they are thinking of moving there and getting knocked up by a Chinese bloke.

Quote from: "caskur"

Quote from: "Herman"What would someone in Australia who has no connection to China give two shits about a product safety scandal in the past in China? Unless of course they are thinking of moving there and getting knocked up by a Chinese bloke.

Because globally I care about the downtrodden...



I do care for my country firstly though of course.



But badly run countries tend to cause their citizens to flee to better run countries and that in itself causes HUGE problems for us too.. get it now?

Quote from: "caskur"I don't have rose coloured glasses on.

Quote from: "caskur"You guys are in Lalaland about China... sad really.

Quote from: "caskur"5,000 + dead in mines in China a year isn't "rare occurrences" it's slack safety laws. How many little kids are left fatherless from that decade in, decade out?



Chinese workers are exposed to carcinogenic substances daily...  There are no safe rules in China only exploitation.





You know, my family have been to China a few times...My cousin Jamie was shot at leaving China after the Beijing Massacre ... he was first interviewed off the plane when it arrived at Sydney airport... he still has PTSD to this day.



People are not free in China to complain about anything. No one holds that over me...

Quote from: "caskur"And no way is the full truth is reported.. The actual death are MUCH higher. If this was happening in Australia, the mines would get closed down in seconds... And I wonder how many poor Chinese dads are dying of black lung?



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year





66,000 workplace deaths in China last year



China saw 66,000 workplace deaths in 2015 despite strengthened legislation, Chinese authorities said, highlighting often dangerous labour conditions in the world's second largest economy.



Updated

Updated 22 December 2016



The world's workshop also saw 282,000 workplace accidents in 2015, according to a report posted Wednesday on the official website of the National People's Congress (NPC) of China.



Deaths have dropped 50 per cent since 2002, with total accidents down from one million in the same year, it said, but insufficient safety precautions in the workplace remain a major problem.



In 2015, the country saw 38 accidents involving over 10 deaths or causing more than 50 million yuan (US$7.2 million) of damage, the report said.



"There was a rising tendency to put an emphasis on development while overlooking safety," the report quoted Zhang Ping, vice chairman of the NPC Standing Committee as saying.



Zhang singled out coal mines and steel factories as places where poor safety supervision had resulted in accidents.



Insufficient law enforcement and outdated or even conflicting regulations and standards also caused problems in workplaces, he added.



The number of deaths was slightly down from the 68,061 recorded by the National Bureau of Statistics in 2014, while the number of accidents dipped from the 290,000 reported by the official Xinhua news service for the same year.



China has seen a number of serious industrial accidents in 2016.



In early December, two separate coal mine blasts in Inner Mongolia and northeast Heilongjiang province killed 59.



A further 33 miners were killed in a colliery explosion on October 31 in the southwestern municipality of Chongqing, and in September at least 18 were killed in a mine blast in the northwestern Ningxia region.







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This is 10 years old..



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070



Pretending they're concerned and going to rectify it...lol

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "caskur"And no way is the full truth is reported.. The actual death are MUCH higher. If this was happening in Australia, the mines would get closed down in seconds... And I wonder how many poor Chinese dads are dying of black lung?



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year





66,000 workplace deaths in China last year



China saw 66,000 workplace deaths in 2015 despite strengthened legislation, Chinese authorities said, highlighting often dangerous labour conditions in the world's second largest economy.



Updated

Updated 22 December 2016



The world's workshop also saw 282,000 workplace accidents in 2015, according to a report posted Wednesday on the official website of the National People's Congress (NPC) of China.



Deaths have dropped 50 per cent since 2002, with total accidents down from one million in the same year, it said, but insufficient safety precautions in the workplace remain a major problem.



In 2015, the country saw 38 accidents involving over 10 deaths or causing more than 50 million yuan (US$7.2 million) of damage, the report said.



"There was a rising tendency to put an emphasis on development while overlooking safety," the report quoted Zhang Ping, vice chairman of the NPC Standing Committee as saying.



Zhang singled out coal mines and steel factories as places where poor safety supervision had resulted in accidents.



Insufficient law enforcement and outdated or even conflicting regulations and standards also caused problems in workplaces, he added.



The number of deaths was slightly down from the 68,061 recorded by the National Bureau of Statistics in 2014, while the number of accidents dipped from the 290,000 reported by the official Xinhua news service for the same year.



China has seen a number of serious industrial accidents in 2016.



In early December, two separate coal mine blasts in Inner Mongolia and northeast Heilongjiang province killed 59.



A further 33 miners were killed in a colliery explosion on October 31 in the southwestern municipality of Chongqing, and in September at least 18 were killed in a mine blast in the northwestern Ningxia region.







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This is 10 years old..



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070



Pretending they're concerned and going to rectify it...lol

I really don't understand what is the point of this Caskur, China's just going through the same problems the West and all developing nations has gone through in the past and present.  Pretty much every country that goes through modernization will enter this phase due to most likely lack of technology and experience.  In fact in our factory we have a lot of safety guidelines, but the problem is a lot of the time people don't go according to procedure and just want convenience.

Quote from: "caskur"

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "caskur"And no way is the full truth is reported.. The actual death are MUCH higher. If this was happening in Australia, the mines would get closed down in seconds... And I wonder how many poor Chinese dads are dying of black lung?



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal-safety/china-plans-safety-inspections-at-coal-mines-chemical-plants-idUSKCN1BB0CHhttps://www.sbs.com.au/news/66-000-workplace-deaths-in-china-last-year





66,000 workplace deaths in China last year



China saw 66,000 workplace deaths in 2015 despite strengthened legislation, Chinese authorities said, highlighting often dangerous labour conditions in the world's second largest economy.



Updated

Updated 22 December 2016



The world's workshop also saw 282,000 workplace accidents in 2015, according to a report posted Wednesday on the official website of the National People's Congress (NPC) of China.



Deaths have dropped 50 per cent since 2002, with total accidents down from one million in the same year, it said, but insufficient safety precautions in the workplace remain a major problem.



In 2015, the country saw 38 accidents involving over 10 deaths or causing more than 50 million yuan (US$7.2 million) of damage, the report said.



"There was a rising tendency to put an emphasis on development while overlooking safety," the report quoted Zhang Ping, vice chairman of the NPC Standing Committee as saying.



Zhang singled out coal mines and steel factories as places where poor safety supervision had resulted in accidents.



Insufficient law enforcement and outdated or even conflicting regulations and standards also caused problems in workplaces, he added.



The number of deaths was slightly down from the 68,061 recorded by the National Bureau of Statistics in 2014, while the number of accidents dipped from the 290,000 reported by the official Xinhua news service for the same year.



China has seen a number of serious industrial accidents in 2016.



In early December, two separate coal mine blasts in Inner Mongolia and northeast Heilongjiang province killed 59.



A further 33 miners were killed in a colliery explosion on October 31 in the southwestern municipality of Chongqing, and in September at least 18 were killed in a mine blast in the northwestern Ningxia region.







____________________________________



This is 10 years old..



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-11497070



Pretending they're concerned and going to rectify it...lol

I really don't understand what is the point of this Caskur, China's just going through the same problems the West and all developing nations has gone through in the past and present.  Pretty much every country that goes through modernization will enter this phase due to most likely lack of technology and experience.  In fact in our factory we have a lot of safety guidelines, but the problem is a lot of the time people don't go according to procedure and just want convenience.

You can't have it both ways claiming one minute the Chinese are the most prosperous and educated one minute then tell me the western nations went through all this too as if that's a sane excuse.



Either the Chinese hierarchy are educated or not? They might be but they do not care about their citizens so they're hardly going to care about other countries and their citizens either so they are a number one threat to me personally. The Chinese hierarchy do not care about their environment so they aren't going to care about mine either.



You don't understand what I'm getting at?

Quote from: "caskur"Never think I am not on the regular people's side whatever nation they live in.



I am one person that wants the people heading countries to do right by their citizens...



I want people to love the land they're born on and look after it.



I am VERY hostile to the ruling classes who do not live up to those minimum standards

Quote from: "caskur"I'll use the quote system here better when I'm responding so you'll know which point I'm getting at to which person I am talking to.





My husband is home today and annoying me greatly.





China is a very, very big threat to Australia.





one of our Labor Prime Ministers, Julia Gillard gave a speech to the Chinese government... She wants China to prosper... I'm sure she wasn't referring to their upper echelon only. She meant, for the people in the country to prosper.





They aren't going to prosper on mainland China while health and safety concerns are largely ignored.

Quote from: "caskur"I'll give you a job as my head chef Zetsu if you can rustle me up some Char Kway Teow!



I'm going to be like Oprah when I win 22 million on lotto and hire myself a chef.

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "caskur"I'll give you a job as my head chef Zetsu if you can rustle me up some Char Kway Teow!



I'm going to be like Oprah when I win 22 million on lotto and hire myself a chef.

Tbh I never tried that dish or heard of it, but at least it looks tasty on google.  ac_cool  Though one thing I never understand is why a lot of White folks enjoy those China town food, my uncle from Hong Kong always calls it scamming foreigner food, lol.

Quote from: "Zetsu"Sorry Caskur I just don't understand what exactly is your point, honestly your argument is all over the place.  First you're saying Apple and other investors are exploiting their workers, then deaths every year in mining and now Chinese hierarchy don't care about their citizens, I don't understand are you referring to the government or businesses, but there has been a minimum wage increase almost every year and labour protection law that have cause the QC of Chinese made goods to drop drastically.  Though one thing I agree is Chinese ppl have ethics issues in general, but I can't say is it b/c of this business owners treat their workers like they're disposable or just don't care what happens to them, on a spectrum I agree China is worst, but the West has it's fair shares of death at work place or disasters in the past too that isn't a lot better than China current state as they are right now due to drastic development and changes.

Quote from: "Zetsu"

Quote from: "caskur"I'll give you a job as my head chef Zetsu if you can rustle me up some Char Kway Teow!



I'm going to be like Oprah when I win 22 million on lotto and hire myself a chef.

Tbh I never tried that dish or heard of it, but at least it looks tasty on google.  ac_cool  Though one thing I never understand is why a lot of White folks enjoy those China town food, my uncle from Hong Kong always calls it scamming foreigner food, lol.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Zetsu"Sorry Caskur I just don't understand what exactly is your point, honestly your argument is all over the place.  First you're saying Apple and other investors are exploiting their workers, then deaths every year in mining and now Chinese hierarchy don't care about their citizens, I don't understand are you referring to the government or businesses, but there has been a minimum wage increase almost every year and labour protection law that have cause the QC of Chinese made goods to drop drastically.  Though one thing I agree is Chinese ppl have ethics issues in general, but I can't say is it b/c of this business owners treat their workers like they're disposable or just don't care what happens to them, on a spectrum I agree China is worst, but the West has it's fair shares of death at work place or disasters in the past too that isn't a lot better than China current state as they are right now due to drastic development and changes.

China today is like Taiwan was in the eighties..



It's making huge progress in improving the quality of life(labour for example) for it's citizens, but it's got a way to go yet..



Unlike most developing nations which don't seem to care about improving the lives of it's citizens, China deserves credit for what it has achieved in  just a few short decades..



China is using the same formula that the Asian dragons(Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong  and Singapore) followed with rapid economic growth that lifted millions out of poverty combined with authoritarian governments at the time..



The big difference is of course China is a massive country with 1.4 billion people while the Asian dragons are small..



It will take longer for China to reach the level of human development that Taiwan and South Korea enjoy today..



And they may never quite get there with a permanent rural underclass.

Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"Caskur has to pay to eat what she thinks are Asian dishes just like North Americans think they're buying authentic Mexican food when they head out to Taco Bell or Chi Chi's.



It has components in it which are regionally flavoured but as a whole, what they're getting is fusion at best and a total balls up otherwise.  

Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
China is in some aspects where the USA is now and where it was just prior to WW1. It will probably lead to the US and China engaging in WW3, with numerous partners on either side, and we're all going to suffer for it.

Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"


China is in some aspects where the USA is now and where it was just prior to WW1. It will probably lead to the US and China engaging in WW3, with numerous partners on either side, and we're all going to suffer for it.

Quote from: "caskur"It was probably a reaction to the msg in my Char Kway Teow.



Workers all over China bought about $1000 worth of American bonds to get America out of the shit when Wall Street took a dive...  In other the slave labour communists helped the worthless capitalist out of their bind. Really the American wanker should have been shot.

QuoteChina needs the USA to buy it's rubbish lead infested products.

QuoteAmerica owes a shit load of money to the Chinese workers who bought American bonds to keep America afloat. (poor Chinese workers suckered in again).