Some regard Saudi Arabia as a friend of the west.
Personally, I want nothing to do with a "friend" that believes it's OK to murder a critic of it's conduct.
//https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45853598
The Saudis have clearly slaughtered a journalist who spoke critically of it's leadership, and committed that crime in another country. That is the action of despotic, frightened and ignorant government who deserve nothing but contempt.
Of course, Saudi also has massive cash reserves, so many western leaders will turn their back and pretend it didn't happen.
Once again, I claim that there will be no peace in the world whilst Islam exists, at least in it's current form. Saudi Arabia is a brutal Islamic dictatorship, little better than North Korea and Iran (both of those countries allowed women to drive decades ago).
The West needs to send a clear message to this despicable nation that we have no interest in maintaining cordial relationships with despotic and murderous regimes, NO MATTER HOW FRIENDLY THE BEHAVE TOWARDS THE WEST. Any friendship and hospitality they display is a typical muslim tactic of shaking your enemies hand whilst holding a knife at his back.
We need to categorise Saudi in the same contemptible grouping as Iran, North Korea, Russia and Syria, and treat them accordingly. They are scum.
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Personally, I want nothing to do with a "friend" that believes it's OK to murder a critic of it's conduct.
//https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45853598
The Saudis have clearly slaughtered a journalist who spoke critically of it's leadership, and committed that crime in another country. That is the action of despotic, frightened and ignorant government who deserve nothing but contempt.
Of course, Saudi also has massive cash reserves, so many western leaders will turn their back and pretend it didn't happen.
Once again, I claim that there will be no peace in the world whilst Islam exists, at least in it's current form. Saudi Arabia is a brutal Islamic dictatorship, little better than North Korea and Iran (both of those countries allowed women to drive decades ago).
The West needs to send a clear message to this despicable nation that we have no interest in maintaining cordial relationships with despotic and murderous regimes, NO MATTER HOW FRIENDLY THE BEHAVE TOWARDS THE WEST. Any friendship and hospitality they display is a typical muslim tactic of shaking your enemies hand whilst holding a knife at his back.
We need to categorise Saudi in the same contemptible grouping as Iran, North Korea, Russia and Syria, and treat them accordingly. They are scum.
I haven't been to North Korea, but I have been to Iran and Saudi Arabia. KSA is far worse than Iran. Iran has a despotic government, but the people, especially the educated ones are friendly and all too often not very committed to islam.
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Personally, I want nothing to do with a "friend" that believes it's OK to murder a critic of it's conduct.
//https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45853598
The Saudis have clearly slaughtered a journalist who spoke critically of it's leadership, and committed that crime in another country. That is the action of despotic, frightened and ignorant government who deserve nothing but contempt.
Of course, Saudi also has massive cash reserves, so many western leaders will turn their back and pretend it didn't happen.
Once again, I claim that there will be no peace in the world whilst Islam exists, at least in it's current form. Saudi Arabia is a brutal Islamic dictatorship, little better than North Korea and Iran (both of those countries allowed women to drive decades ago).
The West needs to send a clear message to this despicable nation that we have no interest in maintaining cordial relationships with despotic and murderous regimes, NO MATTER HOW FRIENDLY THE BEHAVE TOWARDS THE WEST. Any friendship and hospitality they display is a typical muslim tactic of shaking your enemies hand whilst holding a knife at his back.
We need to categorise Saudi in the same contemptible grouping as Iran, North Korea, Russia and Syria, and treat them accordingly. They are scum.
My husband has a lot to stay about his short work trips to Saudi Arabia..
Best part was always leaving.
Saudi is a bigger problem to the West than we realise.
Lots of Saudi dollars, which WE give them for their oil, go to terrorist organisations and unfriendly governments.
This may be real, but to date all we have is Turkey's word on it ... and with all that's been happening with Turkey of late, that alone should not be good enough
And, Turkey is vying for power with Saudi. Like, let's take a step back and see the proof from their embassy bugging
If the guy was still alive, someone would have paraded him by now.
His wife watched him go in and waited for 11 hours. He did not come out. It was a consulate...so it would be highly unlikely any Turks were allowed inside the non-public areas.
Turkey would gain nothing by staging a black flag abduction. This smells of Saudi...and Saudi must pay.
Well, certainly the guy was lifelong Muslim Brotherhood kinda guy, so in that sense Saudi would want him dead.
Still to outright trust Turkey on anything without ironclad first hand proof would be foolish
American media continue to gravitate towards the Erdogan regime, even as Turkey remains the largest jailer of journalists in the world, creating several layers of irony in the Khashoggi saga. Beware of media sourcing here, as at least one source is tied to a joint Libyan intelligence and al-Qaeda plot to assassinate the Saudi crown prince.
Granted, he entered the Saudi embassy. That of course looks bad. I don't ever trust Saudi, but I also don't ever trust Turkey - and all we have to date is leaks/ "sources" and no proofs
That is the point of this thread. There is NO Islamic country you can trust. None.
I agree with that .. in spades!!!
What most people fail to get is that everything that goes on in islamic countries is for power within and for power without ... by without, I mean control of islam as a whole ... which Sunni country is the "lead" ... and then beyond that there's the Sunni Shia struggle to control it ALL.
The desire and intent to be the grande Khaliphe is always there
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Still to outright trust Turkey on anything without ironclad first hand proof would be foolish
American media continue to gravitate towards the Erdogan regime, even as Turkey remains the largest jailer of journalists in the world, creating several layers of irony in the Khashoggi saga. Beware of media sourcing here, as at least one source is tied to a joint Libyan intelligence and al-Qaeda plot to assassinate the Saudi crown prince.
Granted, he entered the Saudi embassy. That of course looks bad. I don't ever trust Saudi, but I also don't ever trust Turkey - and all we have to date is leaks/ "sources" and no proofs
I saw president Trump say if this is true he'll.....
Turkey may have exaggerated the details?
The most succesful countries with large or majority muslim populations know that islam must be kept on a short leash. Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia seem to have forgotten that. Not to mention that Iran was far more advanced forty years ago than today under the dark ages islamist regime.
True. The Persian heredity made Iran a "positive" productive country
The Arab origin guys in the funny dresses who took over in 79 have replaced those of Persian origin with those of origin (because they are better islamics) and used their energy to do "negative" things, like keep people down and put all energy into weaponry and takeover of Lebanon, ... and now Iraq and now Syria
They took it from a solid and secular country on the world stage to an islam"ist" pariah
I wish to remain in the land of the living, not yet ready to meet Hades and the Underworld so I shall say no more.
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The Arab origin guys in the funny dresses who took over in 79 have replaced those of Persian origin with those of origin (because they are better islamics) and used their energy to do "negative" things, like keep people down and put all energy into weaponry and takeover of Lebanon, ... and now Iraq and now Syria
They took it from a solid and secular country on the world stage to an islam"ist" pariah
Islam wants to transform the West the same way it transformed Iran.
That's indisputable. Islam is playing a long game...and winning.
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All religion has historically attempted to do this. However, Islam succeeded where the others have failed, due to the fact that Church and State were never separate in Islamic nations.
On that subject, seems to be swinging back to "normal" .. Iran, now Turkey in a big way, even Malaysia, Indonesia all were "somewhat" secular but are rapidly returning to "Church and State not separate in Islamic nations."
Iraq, now much under Shia Iran's influence and power (Good move George) will have to become islamist
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Iraq, now much under Shia Iran's influence and power (Good move George) will have to become islamist
But, Malaysia did remove capital punishment..
I meant to start a thread about that..
Most of the islamic law is at the state level in Malaysia..
It is a beautiful country with excellent infrastructure.
It is still an Islamic country despite claims of being secular.
True, it's moderate and relatively benign internationally, but extremists still have influence.
The people are nice, though.
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True, it's moderate and relatively benign internationally, but
The people are nice, though.
That influence is growing too..
Not as much as in Indonesia though.
There are many signs that Malaysia is tightening up ... changes in laws etc. So far not glaring, but a trend in that direction.
Not sure I'd want to be a Chinese there over the long haul. World-wise islam is asserting itself and creeping toward more control
Islamists are becoming stronger and more prevalent there and everywhere
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Do you mean Islamic influence is growing?
If you do, I agree it has since Dr Mahathir Mohamad stepped down as prime minister..
The most unsettling part about Malaysia, for me personally is the blatant discrimination against the Chinese population..
It's similar in some ways to the discrimination against Afrikaaners in South Afrika.
Yes. I do mean Islamic influence is growing which always means increased discrimination of all others.
Again, "Not sure I'd want to be a Chinese there over the long haul" .. it's even tightening on Chinese in the current picture
Silly on the part of the country as it would be backward but for the chinese ... There are slightly more professionals who are Chinese, despite there making up only a quarter of the population
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Again, "Not sure I'd want to be a Chinese there over the long haul" .. it's even tightening on Chinese in the current picture
Silly on the part of the country as it would be backward but for the chinese ... but islam, not practicality is what matters most to serious islamics
Many Chinese Malaysians see no future for themselves in Malaysia, and I don't blame them..
Still, it has the best infrastructure, wildlife parks and some of the best beaches in South East Asia.
islam, not practicality is what matters most to serious islamics and especially islamists.
That direction trends stronger of late everywhere and from all I read, it's not missing Malaysia
We got the hard sell from some Ex Pats on Malasia when we considered moving business to Asia.
I'm so glad we chose otherwise as I do not think I could live in an islamic country
I'd prolly be still in jail and you would not even have gotten to know me :wink:
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I'm so glad we chose otherwise as I do not think I could live in an islamic country
I'd prolly be still in jail and you would not even have gotten to know me :wink:
I'm glad you decided to stay in this country.
The final choice at that time was the Filippines - then back to Canada in 4 years
We only intended to stay for the duration of the massive "golf boom" in Asia mid 90s
I suspect you can relate .. to going where the action and money is at a point in time
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Again, "Not sure I'd want to be a Chinese there over the long haul" .. it's even tightening on Chinese in the current picture
Silly on the part of the country as it would be backward but for the chinese ... There are slightly more professionals who are Chinese, despite there making up only a quarter of the population
The higher the proportion of Chinese in a South East Asian country, the higher the level of development.
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Still, it has the best infrastructure, wildlife parks and some of the best beaches in South East Asia.
Singapore's infrastructure is vastly superior.
But Malaysia would run second ahead of other SE Asian countries.
Malaysia is extremely corrupt. Especially at local district level, where planning permissions are effectively bought from the local mayor.
Try bribing a police officer in Singapore and you're in a cell in minutes.
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Still, it has the best infrastructure, wildlife parks and some of the best beaches in South East Asia.
But Malaysia would run second ahead of other SE Asian countries.
Malaysia is extremely corrupt. Especially at local district level, where planning permissions are effectively bought from the local mayor.
Try bribing a police officer in Singapore and you're in a cell in minutes.
That goes without saying..
Singapore is vastly superior to Canada too..
I should've said after the obvious number one, SIngapore.
If all those Chink nations are so fucking superior, why the FUCK am I being taken over by Chinks here in Vancouver?
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Why did Spain, Britiain and France take over so much of the world.
To the Literate Cashews, I don't care what your excuses are but please always remember that the correct spelling is always and forever
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I know this. Thank you. Come again. Carry on.
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Spelling nazi.
We are everywhere...we cannot have jewish inspired illiteracy poisoning the minds of young cashews...
That is right. Don't make me come up with a final solution.
I think Scouse has already done that.
He wants to turn Liverpool into a concentration camp...it will improve the real estate value there.
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He wants to turn Liverpool into a concentration camp...it will improve the real estate value there.
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Update:
The body has been located.
//https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5852478050001
Now watch the bullshit flow from the mouths of muslims.
The West should sever ALL ties with this murderous and barbaric regime.
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The body has been located.
//https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_5852478050001
Now watch the bullshit flow from the mouths of muslims.
The West should sever ALL ties with this murderous and barbaric regime.
There will be no economic sanctions. There will be no cancelling of arms sales to the kingdom.
"Greatness" is not about pushing your weight around.
Sometimes, to be great, you need to act justly, even if it costs you.
America's international reputation is that it acts on principle, so long as it doesn't cost a buck...or better, makes a buck.
If Trump is true to his word, he will do what is right. If not, America is still the international buffoon that only acts in its own financial interest, and justice is secondary.
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Sometimes, to be great, you need to act justly, even if it costs you.
America's international reputation is that it acts on principle, so long as it doesn't cost a buck...or better, makes a buck.
If Trump is true to his word, he will do what is right. If not, America is still the international buffoon that only acts in its own financial interest, and justice is secondary.
Trump won't, Trudeau won't , Macron won't and nor will the prm's of Norway and Sweden.
The Saudi's will sacrifice some functionaries and say they were rogue agents and everyone will nod their heads and continue the charade.
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Sometimes, to be great, you need to act justly, even if it costs you.
America's international reputation is that it acts on principle, so long as it doesn't cost a buck...or better, makes a buck.
If Trump is true to his word, he will do what is right. If not, America is still the international buffoon that only acts in its own financial interest, and justice is secondary.
Trump won't, Trudeau won't , Macron won't and nor will the prm's of Norway and Sweden.
Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau have already said they won't halt arms deals.