Title: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: cc on October 26, 2018, 06:11:41 PM
Post by: cc on October 26, 2018, 06:11:41 PM
Diamond's business, in Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn, encourages customers to bring their own cup in order to reduce single-use options and earn a 10 percent discount for doing so.
"I've been spending a lot of money and time trying to figure out waste reduction, composting, and single-use plastic alternatives at the Canteen, so this really burns me," lady owner wrote.
She also said they do their part to help keep the street in front of their shop clean. "We keep our corner storefront as tidy as possible, sweep regularly, clean up all the litter that blows down the street, and take care of our tree pit like good citizens," Diamond wrote
After initially pursuing the fine,
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Bricktop on October 26, 2018, 06:34:43 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 26, 2018, 06:34:43 PM
The offence is placing a sandwich board sign on the footpath. This is hardly uncommon, and most traders are fully aware of the signage regulations in their areas.
Many city streets here forbid sandwich board signs for obvious reasons. Pedestrians come first.
In Australia we call this a "furphy"...a story that's not a story at all.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: cc on October 26, 2018, 06:53:58 PM
Post by: cc on October 26, 2018, 06:53:58 PM
So sign itself is not a valid issue
Good plan. "Jesus is serving coffee inside" would become a draw. This ain't Starbucks
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Bricktop on October 26, 2018, 07:15:16 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 26, 2018, 07:15:16 PM
The report itself implies it was the sign that was the problem, not the text...and that the council withdrew the fine.
Furphy.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: cc on October 26, 2018, 07:17:47 PM
Post by: cc on October 26, 2018, 07:17:47 PM
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2018, 11:18:14 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2018, 11:18:14 PM
New York coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill(//https)
Diamond's business, in Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn, encourages customers to bring their own cup in order to reduce single-use options and earn a 10 percent discount for doing so.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/10/1862/1048/Sign-Smith-Canteen.jpg?ve=1&tl=1%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.%20...%20?ve=1&tl=1%22%3Ehttps://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/10/1862/1048/Sign-Smith-Canteen.jpg?ve=1&tl=1%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
"I've been spending a lot of money and time trying to figure out waste reduction, composting, and single-use plastic alternatives at the Canteen, so this really burns me," lady owner wrote.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/10/1862/1048/coffee-shop.jpg?ve=1&tl=1%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.%20...%20?ve=1&tl=1%22%3Ehttps://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2018/10/1862/1048/coffee-shop.jpg?ve=1&tl=1%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
She also said they do their part to help keep the street in front of their shop clean. "We keep our corner storefront as tidy as possible, sweep regularly, clean up all the litter that blows down the street, and take care of our tree pit like good citizens," Diamond wrote
After initially pursuing the fine,due only to very bad FaceBook publicity about it, city "fine"ally backed down.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2018, 12:42:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2018, 12:42:07 PM
A bit of a distortion there. The sign's message is not the issue. It could proclaim that Jesus is serving coffee inside for all that mattered.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The offence is placing a sandwich board sign on the footpath. This is hardly uncommon, and most traders are fully aware of the signage regulations in their areas.
Many city streets here forbid sandwich board signs for obvious reasons. Pedestrians come first.
In Australia we call this a "furphy"...a story that's not a story at all.
Still, it seems petty.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Bricktop on October 27, 2018, 07:16:43 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 27, 2018, 07:16:43 PM
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Chuck Bronson on October 27, 2018, 11:31:04 PM
Post by: Chuck Bronson on October 27, 2018, 11:31:04 PM
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Rancidmilko on October 28, 2018, 12:02:29 AM
Post by: Rancidmilko on October 28, 2018, 12:02:29 AM
they are banned everywhere in London.Quote from: "Bricktop"
BAN LONDON!
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2018, 03:10:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2018, 03:10:09 PM
Bricktop is correct. In Langley City, sandwich signs are one of the most common issues dealt with by by-law officers. They are permitted, but I couldn't be bothered to pull up the by-law regs... But no, they can't impede foot traffic.Quote from: "Chuck Bronson"
I don't know what the bylaws in Calgary are like regarding sandwich boards..
I believe they are on Electric Avenue.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Bricktop on October 28, 2018, 09:05:54 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 28, 2018, 09:05:54 PM
They can be a real hazard, particularly on days of high wind and rain when footpaths are narrow in busy areas, or on the side of very busy highways.
Their purpose is benign...but they are not always safe.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2018, 09:54:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2018, 09:54:22 PM
Sandwich boards are banned in many places, all over the world.Quote from: "Bricktop"
They can be a real hazard, particularly on days of high wind and rain when footpaths are narrow in busy areas, or on the side of very busy highways.
Their purpose is benign...but they are not always safe.
I suppose you're right.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2018, 11:07:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2018, 11:07:30 PM
they are banned everywhere in London.Quote from: "Bricktop"
BAN LONDON!
Great idea.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2018, 09:15:44 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2018, 09:15:44 AM
they are banned everywhere in London.Quote from: "Bricktop"
BAN LONDON!
Your president-elect is causing a stir globally..
Maybe some people will ban Rio as a travel destination.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Rancidmilko on October 29, 2018, 11:30:51 AM
Post by: Rancidmilko on October 29, 2018, 11:30:51 AM
they are banned everywhere in London.Quote from: "Bricktop"
BAN LONDON!
Your president-elect is causing a stir globally..
Maybe some people will ban Rio as a travel destination.
Most tourists in Brazil today are liberals.
They come for the underage sex, drugs and lewdness.
So, it's a win-win
Give it a little time, this will be a family vacation destination again.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2018, 11:46:36 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 29, 2018, 11:46:36 AM
they are banned everywhere in London.Quote from: "Bricktop"
BAN LONDON!
Your president-elect is causing a stir globally..
Maybe some people will ban Rio as a travel destination.
Most tourists in Brazil today are liberals.They come for the underage sex, drugs and lewdness.
So, it's a win-win
Give it a little time, this will be a family vacation destination again.
Terrible..
I'd prefer no tourists than those kind of tourists.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Bricktop on October 29, 2018, 05:53:24 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 29, 2018, 05:53:24 PM
they are banned everywhere in London.Quote from: "Bricktop"
BAN LONDON!
Great idea.ac_drinks
HEY!!!!
London is my heartland!!! Its the greatest city on Earth!!!
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2018, 12:50:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2018, 12:50:47 AM
they are banned everywhere in London.Quote from: "Bricktop"
BAN LONDON!
Great idea.ac_drinks
HEY!!!!
London is my heartland!!! Its the greatest city on Earth!!!
What makes it so great in your opinion?
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Rancidmilko on October 30, 2018, 01:35:35 AM
Post by: Rancidmilko on October 30, 2018, 01:35:35 AM
they are banned everywhere in London.Quote from: "Bricktop"
BAN LONDON!
Great idea.ac_drinks
HEY!!!!
London is my heartland!!! Its the greatest city on Earth!!!
What makes it so great in your opinion?
Probably the never ending maze of confusing streets and alleys that only pub drunkos like him can navigate.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Bricktop on October 30, 2018, 01:37:40 AM
Post by: Bricktop on October 30, 2018, 01:37:40 AM
they are banned everywhere in London.Quote from: "Bricktop"
BAN LONDON!
Great idea.ac_drinks
HEY!!!!
London is my heartland!!! Its the greatest city on Earth!!!
What makes it so great in your opinion?
History, architecture, vibrancy, great pubs and bars, lots to see and do. There's always something on in London.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2018, 01:47:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2018, 01:47:16 AM
they are banned everywhere in London.Quote from: "Bricktop"
BAN LONDON!
Great idea.ac_drinks
HEY!!!!
London is my heartland!!! Its the greatest city on Earth!!!
What makes it so great in your opinion?
History, architecture, vibrancy, great pubs and bars, lots to see and do. There's always something on in London.
I've been to London..
It certainly has a lot of tourists..
It's not my first choice as the greatest city in the world though.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Frood on October 30, 2018, 01:55:17 AM
Post by: Frood on October 30, 2018, 01:55:17 AM
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2018, 01:57:33 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2018, 01:57:33 AM
I prefer some of the larger South American cities for nightlife, particularly Argentina, Chile, Brazil, and Peru. They have so much of all those things and the people have a decent moral compass.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Rome or Athens would have all the history, the architecture and certainly better cuisine than London.
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Frood on October 30, 2018, 02:02:43 AM
Post by: Frood on October 30, 2018, 02:02:43 AM
Title: Re: Classic Bureaucratic idiocy - Coffee shop fined $300 for sign about how many cups they've kept out of landfill
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2018, 09:01:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2018, 09:01:30 AM
London has come a long way with food. The whole nation in fact. But it's not enough to cause me to ever consider going back for more than a holiday to visit friends or to take another job.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Immigration has changed London's cuisine..
But, I imagine it's no match for Rome or Athens yet.