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#4186
The Flea Trap / Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
May 15, 2016, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: "kiebers"
Quote from: "JOE"Actually Renee, I've read yours and kiebers' arguments, and if $20 is still paying taxes, but not using the American medical system, nor its state or municipal services, he's not costing you a thing. In fact, he's a net benefit to the US economy if he pays to support it but draws few or no services from it.

So He's not a burden on you or kiebers.

You did not read what I posted, or the rest of the posts he and I made, if you had you would never have said that. I explained everything already. It was just that simple.


...In all sincerity, k, I just don't think your argument carries any weight.

It seems to rest on the assumption that because he's not consuming or buying anythin in the US when he's in Costa Rica that $20 is a burden. But in reality he's not. If he pays taxes but doesn't use your country's services, then he's actually a net gain for the US economy. Those other retirees who live in the US might actually be a drain on the system if they use medicare and other entitlements at the state level.



And if you and reneee came to Canada, you'd shit yer pants out of disgust I'm sure. In canada you can go away as a retiree, pay no taxes if you spend 6 months in some sun spot complete with medical healthcare paid by the government. Extended is extra, but still that's subsidized by the Canadian medical system. Plus these retirees called Snowbirds get their regular pension cheques. If you're an American you might think this is like getting your cake and being able to eat it. Compared to Us retirement, it probably is.
#4187
The Flea Trap / Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
May 15, 2016, 08:51:20 PM
Actually Renee, I've read yours and kiebers' arguments, and if $20 is still paying taxes, but not using the American medical system, nor its state or municipal services, he's not costing you a thing. In fact, he's a net benefit to the US economy if he pays to support it but draws few or no services from it.



So He's not a burden on you or kiebers.


Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "kiebers"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"I respect everyone's point of view. I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?

I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.

True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.


Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well.  I vote in national elections. I guess  Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?


Wow, the reaction of a 10 year old to some very valid observations. Did I say "10 year old"? On second thought maybe that was a insult to 10 year olds. TD is not only dumb but he apparently has the emotional maturity of a small child.



Everybody take a good look.


Take a good look at what? The good country that I come from allows me the freedom to live where I choose. Please tell me how I rape the US economy? I don't use any services, I don't pay for. So in other words I'm still paying for you. Little benefit there. This is further evidenced by the fact that my taxes don't have to be filed in June, and I get a $95,000 deduct off the top. Think I bullshit? Go look.  I'm dumb. Duh


 And since I pay into S.S and medicare, I'm obviously still paying for YOU.



Why does everything have to be explained to you a dozen times?.....Yes you are dumb.
#4188
The Flea Trap / Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
May 15, 2016, 06:34:19 PM
Actually kiebers, how is $20 'raping' the American economy? If he is retired, he may actually helping it because if he uses services and utilities in Costa Rica, he's not using them in the USA, therby lessening the burden for the American taxpayer because he's not present in the country most of the time. I'm sure he's worked hard, paid his share of taxes, so he's entitled to spend it wherever he wants. Many nations have pension sharing plans, where if you paid into social security in America, you can also collect it somewhere else.



Another factor is the cost of living and the level of corruption by government officials in your country and others. Don't you think there's a high level of waste and pocketing of taxpayer funds? In Canada, we award bountiful salaries to our elected officials and their friends, which they don't really deserve. In yours its the American taxpayer who funds the Military Industrial Complex, largely subsidized by the middle class even though it benefits the wealthy and large corporations.  Ie - why should the middle class American taxpayer pay the US navy to rescue some ship hijacked by Somali pirates when it mostly benefits some rich tycoon? And he pays a relative drop in the bucket for this service subsidized by the middle class? These corporations should foot the bill, because all those armies america sends overseas largely protect the corporate interests. If they send their assets into dangerous territory, then they should be prepared to pay the bill as a recognized cost of doing business.



In addition, much of the middle class in America and Canada are struggling to get by, real estate is astronomicaly high in Canada, much of the populus is broke while government officials and corporations line their pockets, do nothing for us. Rich and getting rich, poor get poorer. Given this reality, is it any wonder that many citizens of these nations are choosing to live elsewhere? I've seen met many seniors in both countires who are still working don't have much in their pockets, so its logical that they would seek a better standard of living to get more for their retirement dollar.


Quote from: "kiebers"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"I respect everyone's point of view. I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?

I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.

True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
#4189
The Flea Trap / Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
May 15, 2016, 03:29:37 PM
Quote from: "kiebers"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"So making Merica great again WILL cost more, but your description of how CC wishes it could be  sounds more like Econ in Disneyland. Like most households, most goods in our homes came from China. You really didn't answer my question or set me straight. Howz Merica gonna be great again? I didn't say I couldn't afford my toys. Merely pointing out that everything manufactured comes from China. I do believe the US would welcome manufacturing jobs back. Wages will need to be less and the public will pay more. One more thing a tariff is a tax. I live in a country where almost everything is imported, and taxed. Bad for this small economy and the bad for its citizens. It opens the door for corruption and degradation. Coming soon to To Merica as it seems.

Where do you live???


Didn't you know? $20 has been posting under the handle of SeaMajor in the other forum for several months. I think he's mentioned countless times that he lives in Costa Rica. Sometimes you're really slow and stodgy in the head, K. Oh well.
#4190
Art, Hard Rock & Harmony / Re: 90s (also known as Doves midlife crisis) music thread
May 15, 2016, 02:50:42 AM
Here's a song from the late eighties almost 90s.
#4191
The Flea Trap / Re: Epiphany: the conversion of Michael Coren
May 14, 2016, 01:42:44 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "JOE"In reference to the man's views in the article, I think gay people should have gotten their own institution of marriage rather than same sex and hetorosexual marriage being defined as one and the same. These people want it both ways. They want to be recognized as distinct and different from the rest of the population, but then they want marriage to be recognized as one and the same regardless of orientation. Something distinct from another cannot be one and the same as the other. That is illogical.

The thought of homosexuality sickens me, but gay marriage is the law of the land here and most of the Western world. It does not affect me, so I do not lose sleep over it.

Yeah, but it extends to other parts of society too. The feminists and LGBTQ crowd formed an alliance to push their respective agendas through & now its come back to bite the former in the ass. Ie - not LGBTQ want transexuals allowed in women's washrooms or the girls washroom at your local high school. So in essence, they prey on the well meaning sympathies and kind hearted individuals such as Fashonista to get their way.



And it doesn't end there, Herman. Bakers who refuse to decorate wedding cakes for same sex couples are getting sued, fined or shut down. Then the bakers who didn't go along with this agenda are ordered to take 'sensitivity training'. Cripes, how is that different from Communist dictatorships like North Korea sending its citizens to 're-education camps' lest they step out of line?



Also, this sense of entitlement extends to others who flee nations because of religious persecution, and then demand to impose their own religious imprint on our society by insisting their faces be covered during citizenship ceremonies and driver license photo takes.
#4192
The Flea Trap / Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
May 14, 2016, 01:29:43 PM
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Back to reality. How are US workers going to compete with Chinese workers? Will US workers work for less? Just don't see this happening. So how else can these manufacturing jobs come back? I don't care who the unions support. Please someone set me straight and tell me how this will work. How's that wall going get built?


One remedy might be the creation of a transnational labor code.

If they have laws for cases of international child custody and abduction, why not for labor standards as well?



So...corporations exporting jobs would be taxed for every job they send overseas and they would also pay for every worker they lay off due to outsourcing. In addition, they would not only pay exit fees from the nation they depart, they would pay entrance fees to the workers where they are setting up shop. And they would also be required to pay a fair living wage according to the purchasing power in those countries too.



So, they get hit twice in the pocketbook. One for leaving and one for entering. The reason many of these sleazy corporations get away with what they're doing is that the general population is too dumb and unaware to speak out against them. Apple computers is one of the biggest abusers of outsourced labor, and successive presidential administrations let them get away with what is essentially highway robbery. Many workers in China toil 12 hour days at meagre wages which has allowed Apple to become the biggest hitech company in the world. This isn't fair to the American worker nor companies such as GM and Ford which pay their workers a living wage with benefits.



So we definitely need a transnational labor code. If they're gonna shove TPP down our throats then the American and Canadian public should also demand new transnational labor laws which all trading nations should be signatories of. Right now, the corporations are getting away with highway robbery which is of course squeezing the Western worker and the Middle Class.



If all nations had to play on a level playing field with regards to labor and working condtions, there wouldn't be so much outsourcing. But we allow them to get away with what they do, so they abuse their power and the governments pony up to them and offer few or no protection for the workers in their own countries.
#4193
The Flea Trap / Re: Epiphany: the conversion of Michael Coren
May 14, 2016, 11:49:29 AM
In reference to the man's views in the article, I think gay people should have gotten their own institution of marriage rather than same sex and hetorosexual marriage being defined as one and the same. These people want it both ways. They want to be recognized as distinct and different from the rest of the population, but then they want marriage to be recognized as one and the same regardless of orientation. Something distinct from another cannot be one and the same as the other. That is illogical.
#4194
The Flea Trap / Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
May 14, 2016, 09:55:43 AM
Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"The United States needs to be more tolerant. They should allow all Mexicans and Central Americans in and give them all $10, 000 dollars each to get established in their new country.


More like....the United States should charge unskilled Mexicans and Central Americans an entrance fee for coming to their country and on top of that pay for all the services they use. A couple thousand dollars or more for each one could be a cash cow for the US.
#4195
The Flea Trap / Re: it snowed in parts of Calgary and the Rockies
May 12, 2016, 11:11:51 PM
I'm at the beach. Its really sunny and warm right now.

Actually a bit too hot. Suns just about to come down.

We don't seem to have had much of a spring this year,which is regrettable.

April was the warmest on record.

May will likely rank up there.

Summer appears to have arrived fast here.

It will probably be very hot in July.

Possibly Many forest fires if it doesn't cool down a bit..
#4196
The Flea Trap / Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
May 12, 2016, 09:50:06 PM
Quote from: "Herman"Good for the INS. They are finally doing their job.


I think they should legalize all the domestics and burger flippers, but limit them to those jobs and nothing else.



Nor can they sponsor anyone on such visas.



And if they want access to education for themselves or children,health services they pay for it.



Also, make it clear to them, that such visas can never be upgraded to anything higher, and that the only way a person can gain path to citizenship is a minimum of 7 years in the military or death in combat, whichever comes first.



they've got free trade visas for working professionals, so why not a lower class of workers?



If they pay the taxes, but are documented, it could be a win-win. just my two bits tho
#4197
The Flea Trap / Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
May 12, 2016, 09:45:40 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-deportation-exclusive-idUSKCN0Y32J1">http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-i ... SKCN0Y32J1">http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-deportation-exclusive-idUSKCN0Y32J1



http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20160512&t=2&i=1137009594&w=644&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=LYNXNPEC4B1LY">



U.S. immigration officials are planning a month-long series of raids in May and June to deport hundreds of Central American mothers and children found to have entered the country illegally, according to sources and an internal document seen by Reuters.



The operation would likely be the largest deportation sweep targeting immigrant families by the administration of President Barack Obama this year after a similar drive over two days in January that focused on Georgia, Texas, and North Carolina.



Those raids, which resulted in the detention of 121 people, mostly women and children, sparked an outcry from immigration advocates and criticism from some Democrats, including the party's presidential election frontrunner Hillary Clinton.



Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has now told field offices nationwide to launch a 30-day "surge" of arrests focused on mothers and children who have already been told to leave the United States, the document seen by Reuters said. The operation would also cover minors who have entered the country without a guardian and since turned 18 years of age, the document said. Two sources confirmed the details of the plan.



The exact dates of the latest series of raids were not known and the details of the operation could change.



The operation in January marked a departure for ICE, part of the Department of Homeland Security, from one-off deportations to high-profile raids meant to deter migrants from coming to the United States.



An ICE spokeswoman said the agency does not "confirm or deny the existence of specific ongoing or future law enforcement actions." The spokeswoman said immigrants who arrived illegally after Jan. 1, 2014 are priorities for removal.



Federal resources were strained in 2014 under a wave of illegal migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, especially women and children fleeing violence in Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala.



The planned new raids are in response to a renewed surge of illegal entries by Central American women traveling with their children.



From October 2015 through March 2016, the U.S. Border Patrol apprehended more than 32,000 family "units", defined as mothers and children traveling together, for crossing illegally into the United States. Over the same period in 2014-2015, there were about 14,000 such apprehensions; in 2013-2014, about 19,800.



(Graphic on immigration patterns of Central American migrants: tmsnrt.rs/1qglGZG)



Many of those apprehended for unlawful entry are put into deportation proceedings in court but do not show up for their scheduled appearance before a judge or ignore court orders to leave the country.



The surge in illegal border crossings has put Obama in a tough spot in a presidential election year in which he wants to see a fellow Democrat elected as his successor.



Obama has said criminal immigrants and those who have recently entered the country are priorities for deportation. He is regularly hammered by Republicans over the presence of more than 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country.



But Hispanic-Americans tend to vote for Democrats, who are more sympathetic to the plight of the undocumented.



Clinton raised concerns about the January raids at the time, saying they had "sown fear and division in immigrant communities."



The presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has pledged to build a wall along the Mexican border to prevent illegal immigration.



Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson told a U.S. Senate panel in March that the January raids had helped to deter Central Americans from migrating illegally. Border Patrol reported fewer illegal entries between January and March 2016 compared to October and December 2015, but there were more apprehended than over the same time period in early 2015.



A separate document seen by Reuters said Johnson was concerned about the most recent uptick in border crossings.



Immigration advocates say they have asked Johnson to abandon plans for future raids.



"Raids are not the answer," said Marielena Hincapie, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center, a legal aide and advocacy group for migrants.



"This is a humanitarian challenge," she said.



(Editing by Kevin Drawbaugh and Stuart Grudgings)
#4198
The Flea Trap / Re: it snowed in parts of Calgary and the Rockies
May 12, 2016, 09:40:40 PM
Quote from: "Herman"The problem with good weather in Vancouver is you actually have to be in that hole to enjoy it.


...somewhat true, dat
#4199
The Flea Trap / Re: Should the Olympics be postponed or moved?
May 12, 2016, 09:14:52 PM
Poor Brazil. I feel sorry for them.

I really really do.

First it was that drubbing by Germany in the World Cup, and then it was Zika, and now it's an Olympiad headed for disaster.

Perhaps it's jes' a coincidence, but it's all happened after heavily Catholic Brazil decided to legalize Gay Marriage.

Up 'til then, Life was good to them. Now it's been downhill all the way.

Prosperous economy as far as the eye could see.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-22534552">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-22534552



Is this God's punishment for going against His Word?

Maybe shoulda left it alone, eh?
#4200
The Flea Trap / Re: it snowed in parts of Calgary and the Rockies
May 12, 2016, 09:08:36 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"http://i.cbc.ca/1.3578918.1463074595!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/snow-may-2016-calgary.jpg">


...Really, eh Fashionista?



It was nice in Vancouver today. Here's a pic from a live webcam:



http://www.kiteboardbc.com/webcam/westvan.jpg">



More like 24C or 75 F (converted for our American viewers hea')



Tourist weather.



Guess ya gotta wait a long time for spring to arrive, eh?
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