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I know if Alberta heavy crude is partially upgraded it can get a higher price when it's exported..Quote from: "Fashionista"
But, is there enough capacity in the Edmonton area to upgrade that much oil to light sweet crude?
I know they've added capacity and more will come on line, but I don't know if it's enough for one million additional barrels per day.
As the conscience and sage of this forum, it is incumbent upon me to assist with your induction.Quote from: "Bricktop"
The following members should be ignored as charlatans, provocateurs, trolls or simply liars.
1. Dinky Dianna.
That is all.The rest are good people. Well, nearly all the rest.
I hope Eagle Spirit Energy corridor gets built, but I doubt it will..Quote from: "Fashionista"
Forces outside Canada dictate our resource development.
I wish Trudeau would seek political office outside Canada.
I usually stay away when that personality appears.
Whats the fun in that
That is not the respectable way, one must join as a warrior at her side
At least enjoy the show
If you say so.
Well, it's not me.Quote from: "Bricktop"
And it's not "A Thousand Alts" Shen Li.
This $16B Alberta-B.C. oil pipeline has First Nations backing — but it may still never get builtQuote
The project's major obstacle is the federal government, specifically the tanker moratorium for B.C.'s northern coast announced by the Prime Minister last November
As proposed Canadian crude oil export pipelines struggle to get built, one project is gaining momentum — the First Nations-led, $16 billion Eagle Spirit Energy Holding Ltd. pipeline and energy corridor between Alberta and the northern British Columbia coast.
The project is twice the size of the Northern Gateway project rejected by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and has secured support from First Nations from Bruderheim, Alta., through Northern B.C., to Grassy Point, B.C.
Major Canadian oil producers including Suncor Energy Inc., Cenovus Energy Inc. and Meg Energy Corp. also want it to go ahead, while investment broker AltaCorp Capital Inc. has been lined up to organize financing. The pipeline's right of way would be on an energy corridor that would be pre-approved by First Nations to also house gas pipelines, hydro lines and fiber optic cable. The Aquilini Group of Vancouver is also a backer.
The project's major obstacle, however, is the federal government, specifically the tanker moratorium for British Columbia's northern coast announced by the Prime Minister last November, at the same time as he cancelled Northern Gateway. The ban, now before Parliament, has the support of environmentalists who want to keep oil tankers away from the West Coast, particularly the Great Bear Rainforest 'fiction' they helped create.http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/this-16b-alberta-b-c-oil-pipeline-has-first-nations-backing-heres-why-it-may-still-never-get-built"> http://business.financialpost.com/commo ... -get-built">http://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/this-16b-alberta-b-c-oil-pipeline-has-first-nations-backing-heres-why-it-may-still-never-get-built
Yep...lots of badmouthing going on...LOLQuote from: "kiebers"
Indigenous communities say they've had enough of activists invading their lands, misleading them about their agendas and using hard-line tactics against those who don't agreeQuote
With flowing long hair, stoic expression and tribal garb, Martin Louie, the hereditary chief of the Nadleh Whut'en First Nation in north-central British Columbia, more than looked and acted the part of an aggrieved leader in the epic fight against the Northern Gateway oilsands pipeline.
The $7-billion pipeline was eventually cancelled last year, but Louie didn't actually want to sink the project. Lost in the heat of the public battle was that he really just wanted to win more money for his impoverished community than the "ridiculous" $70,000 a year being offered by the company.
ouie's experience is indicative of a widening rift between Indigenous communities and activists over natural resources, particularly in British Columbia, the focal point of major green campaigns generously funded by U.S. interests to thwart oil and gas exports.
The campaigns consistently portray a united Indigenous anti-development front and allies of the green movement, but some Indigenous leaders are becoming alarmed that they could be permanently frozen out of the mainstream economy if resource projects don't go ahead.
They said in interviews they've had enough of activists invading their lands, misleading them about their agendas, recruiting token members to front their causes, sowing mistrust and conflict, and using hard-line tactics against those who don't agree.
"The best way to describe it is eco-colonialism," said Ken Brown, a former chief of the Klahoose First Nation in southwestern B.C. "You are seeing a very pervasive awakening among these First Nations leaders about what is going on in the environmental community."
For instance, Louie is now one of the leaders of the proposed $17-billion Eagle Spirit pipeline, a Northern Gateway alternative championed by First Nations.
"When I went after Enbridge we were trying to gain more benefits for major projects going through our country," he said.
Word soon got out about his differences with Enbridge and he was approached by a handful of lawyers representing green organizations who promised him assistance and funding, Louie recalled.
Their partnership ended bitterly because the two sides had conflicting objectives. He wanted better benefits; the activists wanted the project to fail.
The eventual failure of Northern Gateway was just one of a series of tipping points in recent months that worry some Indigenous leaders.
There was also the demise of Pacific NorthWest LNG and Aurora LNG, as well as the continuing challenges faced by the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion and other proposed LNG projects. These cancellations and obstacles are celebrated by activists, but also wiped out jobs and revenue for First Nations.
Eagle Spirit also faces difficulties. Led by Indigenous lawyer Calvin Helin and supported by First Nations along the proposed route through northern B.C., the project will collapse if the federal government goes ahead with a tanker ban that is making its way through Parliament.
The ban is related to the Great Bear Rainforest, which was created by the B.C. government last year to conserve a big part of the province's northern and central coast.
Both initiatives are seen by greens as big achievements, but are disputed by First Nations such as the Lax Kw'alaams, who said they were advanced without proper consultation and prevent their members from making a living.
Brown's experience with environmental activism started about a decade ago, when he was chief of his tribe and supported two run-of-river hydro projects.
The projects were attacked by groups such as Save Our Rivers and Western Canada Wilderness Committee for being harmful to fish habitat, and Brown's band was criticized for being "sellouts and socially irresponsible people looking for the quick buck," he said.
"What an onslaught it was. There was a high level of participation from people who had never been to the region ... and they were all conveying the same narrative: 'The sky is falling, keep your blood money, corporations are evil.'"
Brown, who now runs a consulting company, said similar tactics are used against other projects, too."If First Nations communities are willing to conform to the prescribed eco-narratives, they are going to get all kinds of accolades and praise, but if they don't conform, it's vitriolic hit pieces on these people," he said. http://business.financialpost.com/feature/eco-colonialism-rift-grows-between-indigenous-leaders-and-green-activists"> http://business.financialpost.com/featu ... -activists">http://business.financialpost.com/feature/eco-colonialism-rift-grows-between-indigenous-leaders-and-green-activists
The purpose of this page is to assist over 30 impoverished First Nations with legal and administrative costs needed to fight the Government's unilaterally imposed Oil Tanker Moratorium Act and the Great Bear Rainforest--both of which were established largely through the lobbying of foreign-financed ENGOs and without the consultation and consent of First Nations. With the First Nations-led Eagle Spirit Energy corridor in northern B.C., we are explicitly opposed to American ENGOs dictating government policy in our traditional territories in a manner that harms our communities, regions, the energy industry (the most import industry in Canada), and the Canadian economy. The liberal government was supposed to be supporting reconciliation--not perpetuating past failed colonial policies designed subjugate and marginalize indigenous peoples. We are taking such direct action based on the facts where:Quote
1. First Nations have unextinguished Aboriginal rights and title from time immemorial and continuing into the present, or have treaties over the land and ocean of their traditional territories.
2. We have protected the environment as first-stewards of our traditional territories for millennia.
3. We have and will always, put the protection of the environment first, but this must be holistically balanced with social welfare, employment, and business opportunities.
4. We absolutely do not support big American environmental NGO's (who make their money from opposing natural resource projects) dictating government policy and resource developments within our traditional territories.
5. When such projects are environmentally acceptable and essential to meeting our non-environmental needs such foreign interference serves only to perpetuate the rampant poverty and dysfunction encouraged by previous colonial policies.
6. The Great Bear Rainforest was created without any prior consultation or consent as required under Section 35(1) of the Constitution Act, 1867 where the Supreme Court of Canada in Tsilhqot'in Nation v. British Columbia has determined that "The right to control the land conferred by Aboriginal title means that governments and others seeking to use the land must obtain the consent of the Aboriginal title holders.... if the Crown begins a project without consent prior to Aboriginal title being established, it may be required to cancel the project."
7. The Great Bear Rainforest is a fiction created largely by foreign environmentalists and we do not support its creation.
8. Given concerns about the environmental impact of Enbridge's Northern Gateway Pipeline, First Nations decided to lead their own first-of-its-kind energy corridor project from Alberta to British Columbia tidewater called Eagle Spirit Energy.
9. After consulting top world experts the most stringent environmental model in the world was developed that would deliver greater protections to the oceans than is currently being allowed for shipping crude oil in every other part of Canada, and for the pipeline on land.
10. We support the First Nations-led Eagle Spirit Energy energy corridor of because it would provide real-world sustainable benefits and own-source revenue and meaningful participation for the poorest communities in Canada through a project whose outcomes cannot be duplicated by government.
11. We are proud to provide a once-in-a-generation solution for a rapid approval process for major energy and other infrastructure through a First Nation sanctioned corridor—a concept that cannot only provide efficiencies and save money for industry, but can minimize the overall impact of such future projects on the environment.
12. We are proud to have a Canadian precedent-setting solution for indigenous participation in a project in the form of the "Chiefs Council" that may be held up as a progressive model to the world of how to achieve win-win results for natural resource development projects through what we thought would be the constructive cooperation of First Nations, Industry, and Government.
13. Regrettably the federal government has introduced, Bill C-48, the Oil Tanker Moratorium Act, which would ban crude oil tankers in our traditional territories (despite the fact they are allowing crude oil to be shipped everywhere else in Canada) which is being done without consultation or our consent breaching the Crown's lawful fiduciary duty to First Nations in a manner that is consistent with United Nations Declaration on Rights of Indigenous Peoples, section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982, and the Government of Canada's commitment to "...achieving reconciliation with Indigenous Peoples through a renewed, nation-to-nation, government-to-government, and Inuit-Crown relationship based on recognition of rights, respect, co-operation, and partnership as the foundation to transformative change."
WHO WILL BENEFIT: Over thirty impoverished elected First Nations, or hereditary governments will benefit from the using the funds for all matters relating to the organization of a legal campaign to quash the Oil Tanker Moratorium Act (Bill C-48), and to pull our coastal lands out fo the fictional Great Bear Rainforest. These American ENGO-financed government policies create great damage to our communities and our holitistic aspirations for balalnced development. There also needs to be an alternative market for Canadian crude oil export (other than United States which is reportedly costing Canadian companies up to $50 million dollars a day), and stability to the Alberta and British Columbia energy industries.
WHEN NEEDED: Support is required immediately as Bill C-48 will likely be passed into law in the near future, and indigenous lands need to be pulled out to the American ENGO-created Great Bear Rainforest.
For those of you who may not know, Mel use to be a mod. Apparently one of the best mods on the forums. As a matter of fact, he has stated he is a mod at a dead forum.Quote from: "Berry Sweet"
Thank you Berry, I didn't know that.
Lol, Kam's troll lol, I KNEW it had to be a dude with that title lol.Quote from: "Blazor"
The "surface" numbers they like to put out do not tell the story. Only when one peals away the layers does one see the true pictureQuote from: "cc"
Soeul is correct. "True and meaningful" employment is suffering greatly in this country
