Quote from: deadskinmask on November 24, 2024, 01:33:04 PM@Dove - i wouldn't say all humans have a right to live.... but i do say they at least deserve consideration.... and somewhat of a discussion....

 Here is my stance. I support the death penalty. I've had people argue that I'm a hypocrite for being anti abortion and pro death penalty....which is interesting, considering its absolutely inconsistent to he pro abortion and anti death penalty. I wouldn't call it hypocrisy....but it IS inconsistent.

 Pro abortion IS pro death penatly. Except they are arguing that only innocent human beings should be subjected to death (and brutal death) if their mother decides it, before a certain developmental stage.

 I argue that only human beings who have brutally violated the basic human rights of other humans, who stand a fair trial and are found guilty beyond reasonable doubt by a jury of peers, can and should be put to death for their crimes against another human.

 A human being in the zygote/embryonic/fetal stages of development have committed no crimes, no brutalities..they have not violated the human rights of another. They have not had a fair trial. These are innocent human beings.

 And no, an unwanted pregnancy is certainly not a violation of a woman's human rights.

 I am a woman. I have a functioning and healthy reproductive system. At my age, 44...I now become absolutely feral during ovulation. That tells me I'm fertile and my body is urging me to reproduce.

 So I know to take precautions to prevent becoming pregnant. I have an IUD....that thing really hurts going in. But it passes and now i don't have to even think about getting pregnant. And I take extra precautions during times i know instinctually I'm more fertile.

 It's NOT difficult to avoid pregnancy. I could just NOT have sex during that time as well.

 People talk about sex like it's their right. Sex is NOT a right or an entitlement. No one is entitled to get laid. You need another consenting partner and you best have some responsibility because we all know pregnancy is the natural goal and outcome of sex.

 I hate when people argue for abortion ad if sex is some right they have. I don't give a fuck if someone else never gets laid again...you shouldn't get to subject an innocent and helpless human being to such a gory and merciless death just so you could have an orgasm.

 Just have oral sex ffs. I hate people.

Quote from: Sloan on November 24, 2024, 09:57:29 PMAlticus and Fat Lily spent the day today defending AIDSmin sick fetishes involving storing pictures of children on his computer and thinking of @Dove little girl as a sex toy.

 Gross.

Quote from: Blazor on November 22, 2024, 03:06:23 PMEveryone has their opinion, I can respect your opinion without going crazy lol, but here is how I feel....

1) having unwanted kids starts at sex, if you don't want them, you take measures. In todays world there are several ways to do that. The Woman can be responsible and take birth control (I don't like a Lady to take it, bad chemicals), or any of the other methods available. Or the Man can be responsible, and use a condom, spermicide, or even simply pull out (my preferred method). Or simply neither one have sex, if you are not prepared for the consequences. Even if the Man cums in her, there is even a Plan B pill to take the next day.

2) say pregnancy occurs, the decision will need to be made ASAP on keeping the child or not. Abortions beyond 2-3 months should be criminal. I think @Dove shared a video once, of a child being aborted, while using some type of imagery enhancing device (was better than a sonogram), and it showed the child twisting and scared for its life when the mutilation started. It was awful, you saw a child fighting for its life!

3) you can call a child whatever term you want while its still in the womb, but in the eyes of the Lord, it is still a child. To murder that child goes against God's will, and you are instead making a sacrifice to Moloch, which is evil.

4) I can understand when it is something necessary, like a life threatening situation, or after being raped by a dirty Jew, lulz.

5) hate to say it, but Men (and Women) suck these days. Seems a lot are after pussy/dick and not a relationship, thus resulting in WAY too many abortions. I'm one of those Men that you described in the upper 30%.

6) also, a lot of families that cant have kids, want kids. So if the pregnancy crosses the 2-3 month barrier, and they still don't want the child, they should give the child up for adoption... but by then, those that give up their child, are indeed very selfish, unless they simply cant take care of the child or something.



Those are most of my thoughts lol.

 That was called the "Silent Scream" and it was done by an abortionist who later became pro life and was bringing attention to what actually happens in an abortion.

 I wanted to address something Cascur said. 99 percent of the abortion issue is a game of semantics.

 Yes a developing human life is in the womb. It begins as a zygote. A human zygote is a human being at the developmental stage of human development called the zygote stage.

 Then when then human being become an embryo, we have a human being in the embryonic stage of human development.

 Then when the human being developes into the fetal stage, now we have a human being in the fetal stage of human development.

 Then when the human being is born we have a human being in the neonatal stage of human development.

 Then the human grows into an infant and we have a human being in the infant stage of human development.

 Take this through to toddler stage,than child stage, adolescent stage, adult stage and finally senior stage to end of life stage.

 "Baby" is not any medical ot scientific term. It's a term of endearment.

 Saying it's "not a baby yet" so it's okay to end that humans life is no different than saying well...that human isn't an adult yet so it's okay to kill them.

 From the time that fertilized egg actually fuses to the uterine wall and begins the developmental journey of the human life span, that is a living human being.

 So what many fertilized eggs do not fuse and begin the human life span? That's the same as saying "Humans die everyday" as a justification to kill humans.

 Every single one of us is going to die..so who cares if we can be killed. Right?  That's that argument. Well most fertilized eggs don't even make it, so it's okay to destroy and kill ones that do during the stages of human life development.

 And no everyone knows that a human being in the zygote/embryonic stage of human development isn't yet developed into an infant. But that's not an argument for killing them.

 That argument is saying that only human beings who reach a certain stage of human development should be granted the right to live.

 My argument is that any living human being deserves the right to live.

Quote from: caskur on November 18, 2024, 07:43:19 PMI think Frood is impressed with Putins Russia.

Check this out Lokmar and Frood..

Go to the 50.30 minute mark.

 God I love her. I really do. She's so passionate.

 When she tells you, you know you've been told lol.

 She is everything left wing women want to believe they are but fall way short of. Intelligent. Strong. Impactful.

 Could you imagine people like Oak and Murd who love to fancy themselves as educated, strong women who "intimidate" men having to go a few rounds with Kelly?

Quote from: Lab Flaker on November 15, 2024, 09:15:47 PMOh! Noice! I agree with Reggie...ya should've shopped around. These AC/Solar blokes can take you for a ride.

We can get a whole roof replaced for around 20K ourselves. Those units aren't very expensive.

 We DID shop around lol.

 Shits expensive now.

Quote from: Reggie Essent on November 15, 2024, 08:58:21 PMThe joys of homeownership.   

I was just having this conversation with my son.  He just bought his first home.

 Is he regretting it? Lol.

Quote from: Oliver the Second on November 15, 2024, 06:00:36 PMIf you do that make sure to check your local building codes to see if it requires the unit to be inspected and approved. If it does, and you don't do it, and the furnace unit starts a fire the insurance company will not pay for the repairs.

 It has to he installed by a contractor or his insurance won't cover the house.

 So it had to be done by professionals.

 Plus we have my kids living and sleeping in here so he is very serious about the house being safe and everything running properly.

Quote from: Reggie Essent on November 15, 2024, 08:22:32 PM13k sounds a bit steep, but you need a furnace.

Shoulda shopped a bit, maybe.

But then, I'm a cheap fucker so I'd be Scotting for the best price.

 Well it wasn't just the furnace. It was also a new central air unit.

 We had to replace that as well anyway.

 For both 13k is great.  We did shop a bit....this was the best company with a good price. And he is getting all kinds of rebates.

 We got them the week before prices go up for the winter months too.

 That furnace was old as fuck and the man said we probably could have made it to January....but we don't want that to go in the middle of winter. So he just went ahead and replaced both.

 The new roof that was put on last summer was 22k and he found out a few nails were left uncovered and that really peeved him off to no end. They are galvanized nails but still lol.

Quote from: JOE on November 15, 2024, 05:16:06 PMIm looking into getting a condo/apartment but the monthly HOA fees and taxes make me cringe @Dove Dove

Some land only deals cost 1/2 of what a city condo does without hoa fees

Im afraid Id go broke owning a condo

One of my uncles supposedly 'owns' his own condo outright but now cant afford the monthly fees or taxes do he ends up taking out reverse mortgages.

Now in his 80s he still has to work temp jobs & casual labor to make ends meet because his pension cant support him. So I dont want to buy a condo only to end up in the same situation as him.

So im seriously thinking about getting a piece of land and placing an inexpensive structure on it like you did with your trailer.

Anyways your adventures in trailer living were quite informative

Would you consider doing that again Doce?

Or would you prefer city life apartment style living Dove?

I will always love the country and rural areas.

Everything has changed, now. Where I used to want to just go live in a yurt in the woods, I don't care anymore. I just want to be where he is.

He would hate the kind of lifestyle I was living. It isn't him. He is very practical and sensible and suburban lol. Just the words "composting toilet" make him cringe in horror.

He will sometimes ask me "are you happy with the past 20 months? Are you happy here? Are there any conditions you would change? I know you were homeless for years" 

He always gave me shit and picked on me for my feral streak. What he is really asking me is "are you sure you can be happy in this house in the suburbs, or will you suddenly leave again?"

He has known me for 30 years so he has known me as I packed my car and drove to the other side of the country. Lived in 7 different states. Lived in the hood. Lived in the country. Lived in that trailer.

He has listened to me talk about converted RVs or school busses and how much I hate the city and suburbs.

And no I never wanted to live in a house in the suburbs...let alone the city I grew up in.

But I would happily live anywhere where he is.

Dude....Joe....I caught this man looking up permits for chickens and a chicken coop. For me. He said so I can feel like the yokel I want to be.

He tried to buy a fucking BEE HIVE for me lol.

He always made fun of how I prefer eco friendly "clean" products and food. Called me a dirty hippie. He intentionally choses eco friendly clean versions of everything now because he knows I prefer it. 

We were talking about him selling this house and we move to either FL or some quaint small Midwestern town. He immediately was looking up houses with wrap around porches. Because when I was 18 and we were dating I told him I really wanted a wrap around porch. He never forgot that. I forgot that! He didn't.

I would take him over absolutely anything.

So that's my answer. I prefer where ever he wants to be. So far it's suburbs lol.

If he went insane and wanted to move into a city city....uhg I'd go. I'd be talking so much shit but I'd go and still be happy because...him.

I could never subject him to life in a yurt lol

Quote from: Lab Flaker on November 15, 2024, 05:26:48 PMRemove the labour component and you can halve your costs easily. Isolate the unit (electricity), unwire, remove, reinstall new unit. Switch on. Simples!

 Jesus Lord no! He just paid a hvac company to do it.

 They had the new furnace and central air unit installed today.

 The furnace guy came today and it's not gonna cost 10k.

 Its costing 13k   

 New furnace AND new central air unit.

 This man still is on oxygen and paying for home repairs

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Quote from: Lab Flaker on November 12, 2024, 03:44:58 PMOh Jesus Christ...I was making fun of you and all your guns that you insist on telling the audience about over and over Al Ka-Pown3d!! Too much blood seems to be supporting that Jewish beak of yours and not circulating your grey matter efficiently.

 Shhhhh.....

 https://youtube.com/shorts/pao9HLSylGE?si=9N1QiE44O2h7IBhF

Quote from: Lokmar on November 11, 2024, 10:56:06 AMMy wife and I pre-qualified to get a mortgage around 2005 or 2006 and while I cant remember the exact number, when they told us, my wife and I looked at each other like WTF? We knew immediately that if we got anywhere near that number, we'd go bankrupt.

 Same. In 2005 I was going through my second divorce.

 My great aunt sold 6 acres of her property here in Troy for a very high amount of profit and she gave me about 55k as an inheritance (she insisted as I grew up on that property)

 So when I was rental shopping for a small place to live and told the rental company that I wanted to just pay off a year lease upon signing it, they went ahead and had me approved for a mortage...and I was like....wtf?!

 Yeah sure I could have afforded a down payment but I didn't want that at all. Then what? I have taxes. Insurance. A mortgage I need to keep up with and any costs related to upkeep. Roof. Pipes. All the maintenance.  They were trying to talk me into a shit ton of unnecessary stress I didn't want. I was 25 years old. State hopping and moving around like a gypsy and working as a dancer. I was not interested in any solid commitments at all. Especially 30 year long ones with no solid line of income.

 I declined and stayed on my plan to just rent.

 I had a friend and her and husband went ahead with a home purchase and I cautioned her and she got mad at me. Her husband worked and she didn't and they made under 50k.  Guess what happened?

 I was right.  It turned out horribly for them...they didn't even make it 5 years. She was bad with money on top of everything else. She was a shopaholic and had no sense whatsoever. I love her too death, but we have very different views on money.

 I get it. Owning a home is a big deal. But of you can't afford it, that becomes a nightmare real quick and unless you have a safety net to afford a few thousand in emergency repairs or pay several months of mortgage out of savings... and unless you have money left over after bills....you can't afford it.  I have another friend whose husband borrowed against his 401k to purchase a home 6 years ago. He is almost 20 years older than her. She has never held a job longer than a year and he makes under 60k and they have 4 children. That makes me nervous for them.

 Up until I left my last job I pretty much always had my own car and my own income and I'm never totally comfortable if I don't. I feel trapped and smothered if I don't. I really tried to give that whole stay at home thing a real shot but ultimately it's just not for me. So maybe I get nervous for her due to my own biases. I'm even more productive at home if I have a job....i use my time better.   

 Even if I married a wealthy man, it's better for me emotionally and spiritually and mentally to get out and  work even if it's some bullshit job like I have right now....I feel SO much better all around.  Buying gifts for the holidays for a man out of his own bank account never felt good or fun for me either. I hate that shit. I want to buy gifts and do things for him with money I earned.....not "hey honey I'm going to use the money you earned to get your birthday gift!!" .....i hate that shit.

 If I were my friend I'd be incredibly nervous about the future. But that's just me, I guess.

 Shit my man CAN afford his house.  And he still stresses everytime we have a repair man show up. The furnace guy is coming today to change the filter on the furnace and my man is already grumbling about how it's gonna end up costing 10k lol.

 Everything costs 10k of course lol.

 "The media is the enemy of the people"

 https://youtube.com/shorts/jnrpG98OsGg?si=mkHm5XoiXeKQAPH-

 Yep. Now we have people who who've had their brains scrambled by the constant hatred and fear mongering that they are having meltdowns, crying and screaming in videos, who believe they are about to lose all their rights and that nazis just took over thr country.

 It's unhinged and grotesque.

 And how does that remove and disrespect their autonomy? When you lie to people and gaslight them to get them to make a certain  choice, and make it very hard for them to access the truth, they are not making their own choice.

 It's sad and disgusting.

 Yesterday Admin was telling me I was willfully dumb because I know Trump never called covid a hoax. I showed him 3 different fact checkers explaining how Trump was calling the democrat response to him a hoax. Not calling covid a hoax.
 
 Then he said "next you'll be telling me he didn't call Mexicans rapists"

 And these things have been debunked and addressed so many times. He is a grown adult and WANTS to believe this shit. Right with all the evidence and facts of what actually said and he still clings to that narrative.

 I get tired of people who believe everyone should fall in line with lies so we can have "unity". 

 We need to get all that corruption out of government and better standards in media.

Quote from: JOE on November 11, 2024, 12:19:56 AMIf Trump turns out better than expected, I could change my mind @Dove Dove

We'll see if he's a vast improvement or not.

But thus far, I'm not convinced he can deliver positive change.

Also he seems extremely confrontational to warn that he is about to drain the swamp

I don't see how that could unify your country but will do the opposite.

It wasn't exactly a message of conciliation or healing of a divided nation.

But I think the Bush years really ruined America & are the root of its deep divisions today.

 You are complaining about Bush's division and war...and since Bush it's been democrats running the country and all we have had is intense division and war.

 How did all the years between Bush and now mend that division and war?

 What have the democrats done in all their years having US government seats to mend division in this country?

 Have you seen the way they lie and fear monger?

 Joe you just complained that a president elect is strongly promising to do what 75 million Americans voted him in to do. You realize that, right?

 WE have tried to mend division with conversations and reasoning. Fixing division stopped being a priority for us a long time ago. You know what is a priority? Getting corruption out of out government.

 Do you think whipping people up into furry and fear and calling Americans actual nazis and racists was good for unity? You wanna see that party still in the drivers seat?

 The American people don't and it looks like many people all over the western world agree with us

 You are worried about division, and war mongering? Well rest easy, Joe. We now have the most peaceful US president in my lifetime back in office after most of the country voted for him.

 Don't you forget....he won the popular and electoral votes. Looks like we had more unity in 2024 than we had in a long time.