Quote from: Dove on March 18, 2026, 11:30:37 PMOkay hear me out.

I have a position in which i assert that voting age citizens need to demonstrate they understand what kind of country the United States is, how our government works to serve US, what the purpose of government is, what the branches and separation of powers is for, AND what policies are being voted on and passed and what they do.

As far as history, I dont see how anyone who is uneducated on the US government could possibly fully understand our history and the contexts and nuances in it. But im not talking about understanding history. Im talking about understanding the US government.

I do hold that a proper understanding of the government gives a proper understanding of history. That and understanding the times historic events took place in. They go together, sure. But you can still understand the purpose and function of government whether you take a public school history courses or not.

What is your position on the prolific explosion of Executive Orders used for well over half a century which have circumvented 2 branches of government?

Quote from: Frood on March 18, 2026, 11:25:34 PMPoint out where else atomic based city bomb/mass incineration/radiation poisoning trials were going on before or after... 

We simply dont need to bomb humans to know how radiation will impact them. We have seen heavy radiation poisoning. We had live examples.

We have cells that have been exposed in controlled setting. We also use bodies donated to science for weird military shit.

Im not saying the US has never acted unethically, im just saying I disagree that the bombs dropped on Japan were any sort of trial. I know people who were in that war agreed those bombs ended it.

Quote from: Reggie Essent on March 18, 2026, 11:27:40 PMMy dad was in the first patrol that went into Nagasaki. He used to tell the story of walking across a big square of what he thought was white gravel, but it turned out to be the cremated and crunchy bones of dead burnt Japs.

Do you think he would have made it to Nagasaki if we had to invade?

The war wasn't over when the decision was made to drop the bombs.

My dad was born in June 1945 roughly 9 months after my grandfather was eventually rescued in a Japanese POW camp. I wouldn't exist if anything happened differently.

The war was over. Your public school text books led you down the garden path...  same as the US Civil War reasons, and pretty much everything after the 1820's/1830's.

The time to speak out at wrongdoing is in the here and now, or our lineage will be force fed horse shit. You want to be a patriotic American? Start doing it by calling out power and lies.

Quote from: Frood on March 18, 2026, 11:21:39 PMSo you don't actually understand American history... check. It's got some great moments but far more warts and pustules.

Okay hear me out.

I have a position in which i assert that voting age citizens need to demonstrate they understand what kind of country the United States is, how our government works to serve US, what the purpose of government is, what the branches and separation of powers is for, AND what policies are being voted on and passed and what they do.

As far as history, I dont see how anyone who is uneducated on the US government could possibly fully understand our history and the contexts and nuances in it. But im not talking about understanding history. Im talking about understanding the US government.

I do hold that a proper understanding of the government gives a proper understanding of history. That and understanding the times historic events took place in. They go together, sure. But you can still understand the purpose and function of government whether you take a public school history courses or not.

Quote from: Frood on March 18, 2026, 11:27:56 PMRight... immorality is okay if you get the momentary win... cool. You don't by chance also hold an Israeli passport?

No - I don't hold an Israeli passport

and to be clear. I don't give a shit about them either. I just dont condemn their acts of retaliation the way the other lemmings do.

They can do whatever it is they need to do to secure their own preservation. I don't judge. I don't weep for either side. All I care about are Americans. Period

Quote from: Frood on March 18, 2026, 11:12:00 PMWW2 was already ending. Nagasaki and Hiroshima were live human radiation trials.

So the history of the Samurai was all doctored to prop up our desire to test radiation on humans?

I don't buy that

if you read up on the Samurai their code of the bushido was literally the driving force behind THOUSANDS of them jumping to their own deaths on the islands of Okinawa. It was the driving force behind the Kamikaze -- navy fleet commanders locking themselves in their chambers as their vessels sank etc etc

was all of that doctored too? For what end? To prop up a lie because we needed human trials on radiation? c'mon man, you're smarter than that.

The Japanese, through their actions, gave every indication that they would fight hand to hand until every last man and woman were dead. We did not want to stomach the loses and therefore allowed THEM to choose 350,000 thousand of their own instead of millions of our boys AND theirs.

it was a tough choice but in retrospect was the right one.

Unless of course, you have compelling proof that the Emperor of Japan was willing to shit all over the very same doctrine that made him a "living God" just to surrender the entire country in shame.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on March 18, 2026, 11:17:31 PMI do have a lot of hate. Guilty as fuckin charged. Because I see the world for exactly what it is. A floating bag of shit. So don't think for one second you'll ever get me to weep because the US is doing something immoral if such an action ensures my way of life. If the US doesn't someone else will and that someone else may not be as benevolent towards my personal interests as the US has been

so it's one of those "devil you know" kind of things.

I'm selfish as fuck in that regard and damn proud of it.

Right... immorality is okay if you get the momentary win... cool. You don't by chance also hold an Israeli passport?

Quote from: Frood on March 18, 2026, 11:22:36 PMI'm sorry your historically ignorant...

My dad was in the first patrol that went into Nagasaki. He used to tell the story of walking across a big square of what he thought was white gravel, but it turned out to be the cremated and crunchy bones of dead burnt Japs.

Do you think he would have made it to Nagasaki if we had to invade?

The war wasn't over when the decision was made to drop the bombs.

Quote from: Dove on March 18, 2026, 11:18:48 PMMaybe. But we made sure of it.

I disagree with the second part. We already had a lot of knowledge on how radiation works. I cant imagine THAT being how we do trials....there are mucb easier and less costly ways even back then.

Point out where else atomic based city bomb/mass incineration/radiation poisoning trials were going on before or after... 

Quote from: Reggie Essent on March 18, 2026, 11:20:07 PMThere's a high probability I never would have been born had those bombs not fallen.  I'm supposed to cry and make paper cranes because some Nip cities got baked, saving the lives of tens of thousands of American boys?

Sorry, not sorry. 

I'm sorry your historically ignorant...