Quote from: Brent on Today at 11:56:30 AMI don't think they make that distinction in Poland between long term illegal and recent. Maybe they do.

All I know is that I like their asylum and immmigration laws and especially their enforcement. Which is why Poland is one of the safest countries in Europe.

 The only one with no terror attacks.

 My daughter and her girlfriend recently spent a few weeks in Poland. They really enjoyed it.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 12:24:50 PMHard to say. We could have someone here for 20 years and 18 of them were spent living off the taxpayer, still doesn't speak English and has made next to no position contributions to our society

that would NOT be someone I advocate for

but on the flip side, you may have someone who's here 10 years and has an amazing track record to reflect their character. I would advocate for that person.

He/she would need to go through the official process to make their presence legal but I would ensure their ability to remain were not tethered to their financial ability to support the greed of an utterly broken system

 I would support this.

 Its time to check on our immigration laws imo.


 To be fair its supposed to be hard to immigrate and they SHOULD be assimilating. The US used to only allow hard working and exceptional immigrants.

Quote from: Brent on Today at 11:54:14 AMI just did a search. He is different from most artists.

 He is a good guy.

Quote from: Lokmar on Today at 10:35:10 AMThat happened when they elected Barack Hussein Obama!

 Remember when he gave 1.6 billion in euros on pallets in the middle of the night to the Islamic Republic? 

Quote from: Garraty_47 on Today at 10:58:40 AMIs that the stuff called "content" sometimes mentioned by people when discussing forums?

Frankly it seems to be stretching the definition but maybe that's just me.

Who's left for her to fight with?
No seriously... is she just shouting into an abyss or what?

Meh.
They're welcome to him/it and I'm sure @BF is mightily pleased by the return.

Water (even the fetid bacteria-laden variety) will always find its own level.

 Yeah Lotus is just raging into the void. 

Quote from: Lokmar on Today at 10:29:12 AMLike I always say: "Tattoos are for..."

No, I mean: "islam is satans right hand and liberalism is his left"

Never doubt me!

FACT!

 Ive been getting a whole education on the history of Iran/Persia and the Red-Green Alliance and how fucking marxist communism was used by the Islamic Republic to take over.

 Its scary shit because the same thing is happening all over the west. The SAME thing!

 And the liberals and their methods are used as the catalyst.

Quote from: DKG on Today at 09:28:52 AMThe opposition has a de facto leader?

 Its the prince...the Shahs remaining son.  Id give the name but I cant spell it lol. Just look it up. Starts with an R haha.

Quote from: Frood on Today at 12:13:03 PMSo a statute of limitations then? 20 years ?

Hard to say. We could have someone here for 20 years and 18 of them were spent living off the taxpayer, still doesn't speak English and has made next to no position contributions to our society

that would NOT be someone I advocate for

but on the flip side, you may have someone who's here 10 years and has an amazing track record to reflect their character. I would advocate for that person.

He/she would need to go through the official process to make their presence legal but I would ensure their ability to remain were not tethered to their financial ability to support the greed of an utterly broken system

Quote from: Brent on Today at 11:56:30 AMI don't think they make that distinction in Poland between long term illegal and recent. Maybe they do.

All I know is that I like their asylum and immmigration laws and especially their enforcement. Which is why Poland is one of the safest countries in Europe.

If they adopted this policy as a longstanding measure and applied it consistently then logically they would not be deporting people who fall into the cross section I advocate for. And THAT I can support.

What I cannot support is some scum bag leftist administration encouraging desperate people to come here and allowing them to stay just to siphon their vote or contribution to the census count and then YEARS later, after they have built a life and have demonstrated they are honest, hardworking and morally upright members of the community telling them they now have to go back to a land they do not know because they violated some imaginary line on a map.

So their sacrifices mean nothing? The sweat of their hands which many of us have leveraged at one point or another in our lives to our own financial gain are worthless? They are simply expendable objects?

I can never support that. Ever. No matter how many apples to oranges scenarios you place before me. I applaud Poland and support their policies but I'm sure to date, Poland has handled this situation a lot better than we have and therefor have far less nuance. these are human lives we are talking about and that alone calls for some level of reverence when evaluating the unique physiology of each situation.  This is a case by case situation and needs to be evaluated as such 

Now that's not to say I don't support strong immigration policy. I do. Better to have a solid immigration prevention policy in place which allows NONE of them in to begin with.and A solid plan to deport the human waste that has infiltrated in the past.

But to say that every last one of them must go no matter how positive a contribution to this nation they have made, no matter how many sacrifices they have made .. at the end of it all they are nothing more than a criminal deserving of what amounts to a death sentence demonstrates we accept NO responsibility for our own shortcomings and the role WE PLAYED in this human tragedy and THAT is something I will never get behind. I'd rather sit out an election and encourage others to do the same and watch as leftists burn this country to the ground than support that.

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on Today at 09:52:02 AMthat is exactly the ones I am referring to and the ONLY ones I am referring to.

The people I am advocating for make up 1% of the illegal population. If that.

They are hardworking, law abiding (aside from the initial crime), morally upright, community building people of faith and moral compass. A very small contingent worthy of mercy due to a demonstrated history of being a better human beings than 99% of the current left.

Why this is so difficult for my side to understand I'll just never know. We cannot get out of our own way it seems and with these hardline attitudes we are destined to lose this war...

I completely understand the frustration with the current state of affairs and I counter with "part of the reason the scum on the left created this problem in the first place IS so that you have this reaction" this is the left trolling us on the right and we are taking the bait hook line and sinker.. as you will never get a reasonably minded person who sits on the fence to vote in favor of throwing away good people like they were garbage .People can get on board when you are bouncing some societal leech, scam artist, violent criminal or pedophile.

but to grab a person who's been a hardworking person of moral character for decades and exile them to what pretty much amounts to a death sentence? Nah, no decent human being is going to get on board with that.. and to be frank here, if this is what my party has become I might just sit out the next election as I want no part of that. And I am about as right wing as you can possibly get .... so just imagine the mind of the independent fence sitter.

So a statute of limitations then? 20 years ?