Quote from: Biggie Smiles on March 18, 2026, 11:50:13 PMHonestly, when you have an ideology that is bent on blaming the US for WWII the crying will be loud and wearisome no matter which course of action was taken.

We microwave a couple of hundred thousand of them we're criminals

we go in their with the intent to preserve life, double the causality count on BOTH sides and in the end the crybabies will look up every damned and dreadful thing ANY of our soldiers did and point to it as evidence we are an evil and corrupt empire.

Look no further than Vietnam for proof as to what I'm saying

so in the end? FUck them and their feelings. Drop the nukes and preserve young American lives like your grandfather.

We didn't drop bombs on ourselves on Dec 7th 1942 so you aint gonna see a single tear come out of me for anyone on that side.

I shot up your zany attempted points in my last reply without even seeing this comment of yours... lulz

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on March 18, 2026, 11:36:56 PMNor should you be.

Do you think those japs in Nagasaki and Hiroshima were crying for the young American sailors, many of whom remain entombed in the Arizona to this very day, when their radios broadcasted a "great victory for the Japanese Empire"?

no.. they danced in the streets just like those cockroaches did in Gaza on 911 2001. 

Did any of them cry as their barbaric soldiers, many of of whom were total fucking perverts, raped and pillaged their way through Chinese farmlands in a quest for natural resource and land mass?

no.. they hailed these conquests as great victories in the advancement of their empire

But all of the sudden we're supposed to get all teary eyed when Karma came to bit them in the ass in the form of two very bright displays of American might. 

not me man.

Were most Japanese Shinto followers or most Germans nazi ideologues? No. They were manipulated/fomented like Americans were when Sadam Hussein called up the Bush Whitehouse and was assured of no blowback for invading Kuwait, or when the Trade Towers were supposedly attacked years later by a bunch of Saudi's and Afghans but Iraq had WMD's OMG! OMG! OMG!

You got duped both times and not only those times.... the Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened. WW2 was a direct result of the punitive and inhumane conditions placed on German civilians after the Treaty of Versailles and the Japanese would have never attacked Pearl Harbor except their oil supply to their tiny nation so dependent on it was being strangled by the US and the West at large, as well as US mercenary pilots flying for China.

Oh, and the Middle East wouldn't be the hell storm it is today if the Treaty of Versailles never transpired.

The West makes the problem then exacerbates it over numerous generations until the history books indoctrinate out the last remnants of common sense, and you're proof of it.

Quote from: Reggie Essent on March 18, 2026, 11:27:40 PMMy dad was in the first patrol that went into Nagasaki. He used to tell the story of walking across a big square of what he thought was white gravel, but it turned out to be the cremated and crunchy bones of dead burnt Japs.

Do you think he would have made it to Nagasaki if we had to invade?

The war wasn't over when the decision was made to drop the bombs.

Honestly, when you have an ideology that is bent on blaming the US for WWII the crying will be loud and wearisome no matter which course of action was taken.

We microwave a couple of hundred thousand of them we're criminals

we go in their with the intent to preserve life, double the causality count on BOTH sides and in the end the crybabies will look up every damned and dreadful thing ANY of our soldiers did and point to it as evidence we are an evil and corrupt empire.

Look no further than Vietnam for proof as to what I'm saying

so in the end? FUck them and their feelings. Drop the nukes and preserve young American lives like your grandfather.

We didn't drop bombs on ourselves on Dec 7th 1942 so you aint gonna see a single tear come out of me for anyone on that side.

Quote from: Frood on March 18, 2026, 11:33:58 PMMy dad was born in June 1945 roughly 9 months after my grandfather was eventually rescued in a Japanese POW camp. I wouldn't exist if anything happened differently.

The war was over. Your public school text books led you down the garden path...  same as the US Civil War reasons, and pretty much everything after the 1820's/1830's.

The time to speak out at wrongdoing is in the here and now, or our lineage will be force fed horse shit. You want to be a patriotic American? Start doing it by calling out power and lies.

The example of Okinawa is pretty clear.  It would have been a long hard slog and many hundreds of thousands of Americans and Japanese would have died.  This garden path you speak of isn't familiar to me.

Quote from: Frood on March 18, 2026, 11:39:47 PMYou'd be more upset for Fauci's beagle testing than the massive incineration of whole cities worth of humans...

Do you believe that the Iranian regime killed 30,000 Iranian protesters ?

Quote from: Frood on March 18, 2026, 11:36:40 PMWhat is your position on the prolific explosion of Executive Orders used for well over half a century which have circumvented 2 branches of government?

Seriously man.. what is it about Iran that has your tits in such a twist?

I can understand you calling me an asshole over Gaza and my total lack of empathy there. At least in that instance there is some level of controversy over whether Palestinians are displaced and whether this is a fight for their freedom or just plain old Islamic terrorism

but Iran? Bro.. you're weeping for rodents who would happily behead every last one of us for no reason at all.

Quote from: Dove on March 18, 2026, 11:35:34 PMWe simply dont need to bomb humans to know how radiation will impact them. We have seen heavy radiation poisoning. We had live examples.

We have cells that have been exposed in controlled setting. We also use bodies donated to science for weird military shit.

Im not saying the US has never acted unethically, im just saying I disagree that the bombed dropped on Japan were any sort of trial. I know people who were in that war agreed those bombs ended it.

You'd be more upset for Fauci's beagle testing than the massive incineration of whole cities worth of humans...

Quote from: Reggie Essent on March 18, 2026, 11:20:07 PMThere's a high probability I never would have been born had those bombs not fallen.  I'm supposed to cry and make paper cranes because some Nip cities got baked, saving the lives of tens of thousands of American boys?

Sorry, not sorry.

Nor should you be.

Do you think those japs in Nagasaki and Hiroshima were crying for the young American sailors, many of whom remain entombed in the Arizona to this very day, when their radios broadcasted a "great victory for the Japanese Empire"?

no.. they danced in the streets just like those cockroaches did in Gaza on 911 2001. 

Did any of them cry as their barbaric soldiers, many of of whom were total fucking perverts, raped and pillaged their way through Chinese farmlands in a quest for natural resource and land mass?

no.. they hailed these conquests as great victories in the advancement of their empire

But all of the sudden we're supposed to get all teary eyed when Karma came to bit them in the ass in the form of two very bright displays of American might. 

not me man.

Quote from: Dove on March 18, 2026, 11:30:37 PMOkay hear me out.

I have a position in which i assert that voting age citizens need to demonstrate they understand what kind of country the United States is, how our government works to serve US, what the purpose of government is, what the branches and separation of powers is for, AND what policies are being voted on and passed and what they do.

As far as history, I dont see how anyone who is uneducated on the US government could possibly fully understand our history and the contexts and nuances in it. But im not talking about understanding history. Im talking about understanding the US government.

I do hold that a proper understanding of the government gives a proper understanding of history. That and understanding the times historic events took place in. They go together, sure. But you can still understand the purpose and function of government whether you take a public school history courses or not.

What is your position on the prolific explosion of Executive Orders used for well over half a century which have circumvented 2 branches of government?

Quote from: Frood on March 18, 2026, 11:25:34 PMPoint out where else atomic based city bomb/mass incineration/radiation poisoning trials were going on before or after... 

We simply dont need to bomb humans to know how radiation will impact them. We have seen heavy radiation poisoning. We had live examples.

We have cells that have been exposed in controlled setting. We also use bodies donated to science for weird military shit.

Im not saying the US has never acted unethically, im just saying I disagree that the bombs dropped on Japan were any sort of trial. I know people who were in that war agreed those bombs ended it.