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Wazzzup

The New York Times reported Thursday, "Democrats, who like all other lawmakers have not seen the report, have all but accused Mr. Barr of covering up damaging information it contains."



Some have indicated that because Barr summarized a 300-page report in just a four page letter, he must be oversimplifying or misinterpreting the results of Mueller's investigation.



If Barr does not release the report in its entirety, including grand jury information, one anonymous Hill staffer told the Washington Post, then he will be participating in a "coverup."[/quote]

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"The New York Times reported Thursday, "Democrats, who like all other lawmakers have not seen the report, have all but accused Mr. Barr of covering up damaging information it contains."



Some have indicated that because Barr summarized a 300-page report in just a four page letter, he must be oversimplifying or misinterpreting the results of Mueller's investigation.



If Barr does not release the report in its entirety, including grand jury information, one anonymous Hill staffer told the Washington Post, then he will be participating in a "coverup."
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They go from one baseless conspiracy theory.

Anonymous

Chapter two in the Democrats sour grapes playbook.



By Larry Elder



Has the Trump 2020 collusion investigation started yet?



The two-year-in-the-making Mueller report has finally concluded. The main takeaways: no further indictments, no allegations of interference with the investigation and no finding of collusion with Russia. So, let's go to the videotape.



Before Robert Mueller's report:



"The bombshell revelation that U.S. officials have information that suggests Trump associates may have colluded with the Russians means we must pause the entire Trump agenda. We may have an illegitimate President of the United States." — Rep. Ted Lieu, D-calif., March 23, 2017.



"Here you have a President who, I can tell you and guarantee you, is in collusion with the Russians to undermine our democracy." — Rep. Maxine Waters, D-calif., Sept. 21, 2017.



"I think there's plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy in plain sight." — Rep. Adam Schiff, D-calif., Aug. 5, 2018



On television, Schiff, who early on claimed evidence of collusion, became quite the workhorse. According to the Washington Free Beacon, during the first six months of Donald Trump's presidency, Schiff had "done 123 national television interviews totalling more than 14 hours of air time since January, according to a tracking report provided to the White House ... The vast majority of them have been on cable networks CNN and MSNBC, although Schiff has also done interviews on Fox News, ABC, CBS, NBC, Comedy Central, and HBO." After the Mueller report: "There was a big difference between whether there was evidence of collusion — and I think that evidence is in plain sight — and whether you can establish proof beyond a reasonable doubt of a criminal conspiracy." — Schiff, March 25, 2019.



"Given the lengthy redactions in many of the pleadings of the special counsel eluding to other investigations, I think it's entirely possible if not likely that there will be other indictments." — Schiff, March 22, 2019.



"We don't know much. I'm just going to go by what we do know, and I must say, I don't think it looks good. No further indictments ... Did the Democrats put too much trust in the Mueller report? Because I don't need the Mueller report to know he's a traitor. I have a TV." — HBO host Bill Maher, March 22, 2019.



"You have a President who, in my opinion, beyond a shadow of a doubt, sought to, however ham-handedly, collude with the Russian government or foreign power to undermine and influence our elections." Presidential candidate Rep. Beto O'rourke, D-texas, March 23, 2019.



The Democrats now demand that the Mueller report be made public. Trump said he wants it made public, too. As to whether it will be made public, and how much, former special prosecutor Ken Starr outlined what happens next:



"Under the regulations that governed his appointment and now guide his final acts, Mueller is to provide a confidential report to one person only: the attorney general. The regulations, which were promulgated during the final months of the Clinton administration, do not contemplate any sort of report sent directly from the special counsel to Congress or the general public. To the contrary, the regulations call upon the attorney general, William Barr, to receive the confidential report and then do two things: First, to notify Congress of the investigation's completion and, second, to provide an explanation for certain specifically enumerated actions. There is no requirement for a Barr-edited version of the Mueller report ...



"The attorney general also has the raw power to jettison the regulations entirely. Unlike a statute, the regulations may be dispatched by the stroke of a pen, and new ones put in place. He may determine that the public interest requires maximum transparency, as long as grand-jury secrecy is scrupulously maintained. But unless and until the attorney general takes that bold action, the current regulations stand and have the force of law."



In sum, for anti-trumpers, hope appears to have run out on the Mueller team, which, at one time, was perhaps the only mostly all-white, mostly allmale group that today's Democrats could love and embrace. Now, in fairness, not all liberal Trump critics got it wrong about the Mueller report. CNN host Van Jones, in June 2017, was approached in the street by a man working with Project Veritas, who secretly taped their conversation. The man, after claiming the two met a few years earlier, asked Jones what he thought of the Russian collusion investigation. Jones, unaware he was being taped, replied: "The Russia thing is just a big nothing burger. There's nothing there you can do."



Will Trump haters and semi-haters see the Mueller report as the President's vindication? Not likely. An Economist/yougov poll from last November found 67% of Democrats believe that Russia, despite a complete and total lack of evidence, "definitely" or "probably" not only interfered with the election but changed vote tallies.



Now that the report found no collusion, we can expect the Democrats and much of the media to get back to basics: calling the President racist, fascist, sexist, xenophobic, anti-semitic, homophobic, anti-hispanic, etc. It's going to be a long two years, and likely, thanks to the Mueller report, a long six years.

Anonymous

Investigate the Steele dossier.



https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/31/steele-dossier-russian-disinformation/?utm_medium=email">https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/31/stee ... dium=email">https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/31/steele-dossier-russian-disinformation/?utm_medium=email

INVESTIGATE STEELE DOSSIER AS RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION, INTEL EXPERTS SAY



Special counsel Robert Mueller's finding of no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia undercuts the Steele dossier's core claim of a "well-developed conspiracy" to influence the 2016 election.

Intelligence experts said the dossier should be investigated as possible Russian disinformation.

"The intelligence community was misled," an intelligence expert said.

In a deposition for a lawsuit related to the dossier in June 2018, former British spy Christopher Steele acknowledged his infamous report could be the product of Russian disinformation.



But Steele, a former MI6 officer who worked in Moscow, dismissed the possibility he was hoodwinked by Russian operatives who planted anti-Trump dirt.



"All material contained this risk, but that any information that was actually provided would have been subject to scrutiny in respect of this risk," Steele said in a June 18, 2018, deposition for a lawsuit against BuzzFeed, the original publisher of the dossier.



In other words, Steele believed he had enough experience dealing with Russian sources that he could spot Kremlin attempts to provide him disinformation.



But the prospect that Steele did fall victim to a Russian hoax became more likely in the wake of special counsel Robert Mueller's finding that the Trump campaign did not conspire or coordinate with the Kremlin to influence the 2016 election.



"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities," reads a letter Attorney General William Barr sent Congress summarizing Mueller's findings.

Wazzzup

Lindsey Graham 2.0 who finally found his balls after the Kavanaugh hearings says an independent prosecutor should be appointed to investigate the dossier and Hillary and her crimes.  



https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/lindsey-graham-reveals-ag-bill-barr-pretty-upset-ryan-saavedra">https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/li ... n-saavedra">https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/lindsey-graham-reveals-ag-bill-barr-pretty-upset-ryan-saavedra


QuoteSenate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC) revealed during an interview on Sunday that Attorney General William Barr is "pretty upset" over the way the criminal investigation into Hillary Clinton was handled and that he hopes "there's a special counsel appointed to look at DOJ corruption and political bias."



Appearing on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures," Graham told Maria Bartiromo that there needs to be an investigation into the other side regarding the 2016 election, including the "Clinton campaign, the FISA warrant abuse [and] the counterintelligence investigation."



"Nobody in the Clinton e-mail investigation went to jail for lying about the process, because there was no process," Graham said. "And I know Bill Barr pretty well, and he's pretty upset about the way all this was handled. I don't know if he's going to have a special prosecutor to look at the probability of criminal misbehavior. I'm going to look at what happened from an oversight role, but I hope there's a special counsel appointed to look at DOJ corruption and political bias, because Mueller did his job against Trump. Nobody's really looked at the Clinton campaign, the FISA warrant abuse or the counterintelligence investigation, criminality yet — and somebody should."


Its up to Barr though.   We are going to find out whether he is another Jeff Sessions or whether he has a spine.



Maybe he is waiting till the Mueller report is released in April. IMO it should be NOW.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Wazzzup"Lindsey Graham 2.0 who finally found his balls after the Kavanaugh hearings says an independent prosecutor should be appointed to investigate the dossier and Hillary and her crimes.  



https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/lindsey-graham-reveals-ag-bill-barr-pretty-upset-ryan-saavedra">https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/li ... n-saavedra">https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/lindsey-graham-reveals-ag-bill-barr-pretty-upset-ryan-saavedra



Its up to Barr though.   We are going to find out whether he is another Jeff Sessions or whether he has a spine.



Maybe he is waiting till the Mueller report is released in April. IMO it should be NOW.

More investigations though..



I thought everyone who is not an elected Democrat was tired of investigations.

cc

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"Lindsey Graham 2.0 who finally found his balls after the Kavanaugh hearings says an independent prosecutor should be appointed to investigate the dossier and Hillary and her crimes.  



https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/lindsey-graham-reveals-ag-bill-barr-pretty-upset-ryan-saavedra">https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/li ... n-saavedra">https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/lindsey-graham-reveals-ag-bill-barr-pretty-upset-ryan-saavedra



Its up to Barr though.   We are going to find out whether he is another Jeff Sessions or whether he has a spine.



Maybe he is waiting till the Mueller report is released in April. IMO it should be NOW.

More investigations though..



I thought everyone who is not an elected Democrat was tired of investigations.

Tired of phony investigations based upon no infractions



Hot for "REAL" investigations  based upon real infractions
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"Lindsey Graham 2.0 who finally found his balls after the Kavanaugh hearings says an independent prosecutor should be appointed to investigate the dossier and Hillary and her crimes.  



https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/lindsey-graham-reveals-ag-bill-barr-pretty-upset-ryan-saavedra">https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/li ... n-saavedra">https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/lindsey-graham-reveals-ag-bill-barr-pretty-upset-ryan-saavedra



Its up to Barr though.   We are going to find out whether he is another Jeff Sessions or whether he has a spine.



Maybe he is waiting till the Mueller report is released in April. IMO it should be NOW.

More investigations though..



I thought everyone who is not an elected Democrat was tired of investigations.

Tired of phony investigations based upon no infractions



Hot for "REAL" investigations  based upon real infractions

I know I am. Bring on an investigation into the Clinton camp/Steele dossier.

Thiel

Quote from: "cc"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Wazzzup"Lindsey Graham 2.0 who finally found his balls after the Kavanaugh hearings says an independent prosecutor should be appointed to investigate the dossier and Hillary and her crimes.  



https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/lindsey-graham-reveals-ag-bill-barr-pretty-upset-ryan-saavedra">https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/li ... n-saavedra">https://www.dailywire.com/news/45346/lindsey-graham-reveals-ag-bill-barr-pretty-upset-ryan-saavedra



Its up to Barr though.   We are going to find out whether he is another Jeff Sessions or whether he has a spine.



Maybe he is waiting till the Mueller report is released in April. IMO it should be NOW.

More investigations though..



I thought everyone who is not an elected Democrat was tired of investigations.

Tired of phony investigations based upon no infractions



Hot for "REAL" investigations  based upon real infractions

There must be consequences for those responsible for the Russia-Trump collusion hoax.
gay, conservative and proud

Bricktop

And those who knowingly and willingly perpetuated the lie with a view to undermining the Presidency.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"And those who knowingly and willingly perpetuated the lie with a view to undermining the Presidency.

They are the same people.

Anonymous

We should have known who was behind it.



https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/01/fusion-gps-steele-soros-millions/?utm_medium=email">https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/01/fusi ... dium=email">https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/01/fusion-gps-steele-soros-millions/?utm_medium=email

FIRMS TIED TO FUSION GPS, CHRISTOPHER STEELE WERE PAID $3.8 MILLION BY SOROS-BACKED GROUP



The Democracy Integrity Project, a nonprofit that receives funding from George Soros, paid firms tied to Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele more than $3.8 million in 2017.

Tax filings show that The Democracy Integrity Project provided its research to "government entities."

The group's founder, a former staffer for Dianne Feinstein, has described it as a "shadow media organization" that helps the government.

A nonprofit group partially funded by billionaire activist George Soros paid firms tied to Fusion GPS and dossier author Christopher Steele more than $3.8 million in 2017 to provide research and analysis to "government entities," according to IRS filings.



The payments made by The Democracy Integrity Project are more than three times what the DNC and the Clinton campaign paid Fusion GPS and Steele during the 2016 presidential campaign to investigate Donald Trump's possible ties to Russia.

Bricktop


Anonymous

Something tells me that Adam Schitt won't be as enthusiastic about this investigation if it happens.



https://www.rt.com/usa/456129-trump-russia-probe-coup/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications">https://www.rt.com/usa/456129-trump-rus ... ifications">https://www.rt.com/usa/456129-trump-russia-probe-coup/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=push_notifications&utm_campaign=push_notifications

Those who started Russia probe were attempting a 'coup', AG must start investigation – Trump



President Donald Trump has called the FBI's investigation into alleged 'Russian collusion' a "coup" attempt, and said he wants Attorney General William Barr to investigate the probe's origins.

"It was an illegal investigation, it was started illegally, everything about it was crooked," Trump told reporters outside the White House. "It was an attempted coup."



Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz has been investigating the FBI's alleged misuse of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for just over one year, and Barr told a House Appropriations Committee hearing on Tuesday that Horowitz's final report should be completed by "May or June."



Horowitz's investigation centers around the FBI's use of the now-infamous 'Steele Dossier' as evidence to acquire a warrant to wiretap Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. The dossier was compiled by a former British spy, paid for by Trump's opponents within Hillary Clinton's campaign, and contained a raft of unverified claims about Trump's supposed contact with Russians.



Speaking at Tuesday's hearing, Barr also told lawmakers that he may open a broader investigation into the FBI's 2016 'Crossfire Hurricane' counterintelligence investigation against Trump, opened by openly Trump-hating FBI agent Peter Strzok.

cc

From what Barr said before congress, he IS investigating everything to do with how it was all started and by whom.



Quote: Barr says " Trump campaign was spied on, and it 'is a big deal'"



And the IG  is investigating parts of it and other bad stuff for Barr's  office - report due in a month or so
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell