The 15/hr bullshit

[Rancidmilko]

So, in an era in which you can use automation to substitute almost all menial jobs, people are forcing business to raise the wages to whatever they feel is fair



Of course, anyone with two brain cells would know that would lead to mass closing of business and unemployment.



So, wouldn't it be better to make less money working honestly, instead of becoming another welfare leech living in misery?



Why is it that liberals destroy and fuck up everything they touch?



Are they too stupid to see the obvious harmful effects their policies will INVARIABLY bring?



Seriously, these people need to start being treated the way their stupid asses deserves. No more acting like they're just mischievous children.



They are dangerous and their behavior should warrant a response equivalent to the evil they represent.

[Frood]

You here to escort Bricktop away?

[Anonymous]

So, in an era in which you can use automation to substitute almost all menial jobs, people are forcing business to raise the wages to whatever they feel is fair



Of course, anyone with two brain cells would know that would lead to mass closing of business and unemployment.



So, wouldn't it be better to make less money working honestly, instead of becoming another welfare leech living in misery?



Why is it that liberals destroy and fuck up everything they touch?



Are they too stupid to see the obvious harmful effects their policies will INVARIABLY bring?



Seriously, these people need to start being treated the way their stupid deserves. No more acting like they're just mischievous children.



They are dangerous and their behavior should warrant a response equivalent to the evil they represent.

This discussion comes up regularly..



Higher minimum wages are destroying the tipping culture in my province..



Governments get more money, but not servers and small business owners.

[Anonymous]

So, in an era in which you can use automation to substitute almost all menial jobs, people are forcing business to raise the wages to whatever they feel is fair



Of course, anyone with two brain cells would know that would lead to mass closing of business and unemployment.



So, wouldn't it be better to make less money working honestly, instead of becoming another welfare leech living in misery?



Why is it that liberals destroy and fuck up everything they touch?



Are they too stupid to see the obvious harmful effects their policies will INVARIABLY bring?



Seriously, these people need to start being treated the way their stupid deserves. No more acting like they're just mischievous children.



They are dangerous and their behavior should warrant a response equivalent to the evil they represent.

Minimum wage jobs are entry level jobs. People who earn minimum wage typically are entering the workforce or retirees supplementing their pensions. Minimum wage needs to be low enough to encourage workers to move up the job food chain. You don't want people getting a job at a car wash and staying there.

[Anonymous]

I used to be a strong proponent of higher minimum wages. But, small business owners, who are not exactly rich, don't get a raise. And I know governments get a significant cut of any minimum wage increases. Perhaps seoulbro is right. Anybody making less than forty thousand bucks a year should not be paying much income tax.

[Bricktop]

But, small business owners, who are not exactly rich, don't get a raise.

That's their choice.



They can raise their prices.

[Anonymous]

But, small business owners, who are not exactly rich, don't get a raise.

That's their choice.



They can raise their prices.

That's risky. Lower minimum wages in North America does not necessarily mean that a server in Winnipeg is worse off financially than one in Adelaide. That is because of tipping. But, progressives want to control everything and they have no control over tipping.

[Bricktop]

What people are paid in other countries is no concern to how you treat people at home.



Ensuring people earn enough to live with a shred of decency is everyone's responsibility. As long as salaries are standard for ALL employers, none can claim an advantage by paying less than the business next door. They all pay the same minimum, and when that minimum is raised, they all pay the same increase.



That will mean, of course, that the price of a cup of coffee goes up 50 cents, and your cordon bleu will cost an extra dollar, but that's simply sharing the load. It seems that businesses in America don't seem to grasp the fact that a mandated MINIMUM wage benefits them as well.

[Anonymous]

What people are paid in other countries is no concern to how you treat people at home.



Ensuring people earn enough to live with a shred of decency is everyone's responsibility. As long as salaries are standard for ALL employers, none can claim an advantage by paying less than the business next door. They all pay the same minimum, and when that minimum is raised, they all pay the same increase.



That will mean, of course, that the price of a cup of coffee goes up 50 cents, and your cordon bleu will cost an extra dollar, but that's simply sharing the load. It seems that businesses in America don't seem to grasp the fact that a mandated MINIMUM wage benefits them as well.

But, a higher minimum wage means less take home pay in my province..



We were generous tippers before the provincial government decided they deserved a raise.

[Bricktop]

That makes no sense.



Remember, tipping is merely tax avoidance. YOU pay THEIR tax liability.

[Anonymous]

That makes no sense.



Remember, tipping is merely tax avoidance. YOU pay THEIR tax liability.

Low wage earners should not have been given an income tax bill in the first place. Trump took away their tax burden. Bernie Sanders wants to bring it back.

[Bricktop]

Which means that the leap from low tax to moderate tax will be of sufficient magnitude to be a disincentive for people to seek better paying jobs.



And middle income earners will pay more tax to cover the shortfall.

[Anonymous]

Which means that the leap from low tax to moderate tax will be of sufficient magnitude to be a disincentive for people to seek better paying jobs.



And middle income earners will pay more tax to cover the shortfall.

Under Bernie, yes. Trump gave everyone back some of their money.

[Bricktop]

A grand gesture indeed...but the US is riding the tiger with its massive debt.



By contrast Australia is debt free, AND we have minimum wage and universal health care, combined with a fairly generous welfare system.



To be fair, our standard of living is not quite as high...but a Volkswagen will get you to point A just as quick as a Bentley.

[Anonymous]

A grand gesture indeed...but the US is riding the tiger with its massive debt.



By contrast Australia is debt free, AND we have minimum wage and universal health care, combined with a fairly generous welfare system.



To be fair, our standard of living is not quite as high...but a Volkswagen will get you to point A just as quick as a Bentley.

As of 11 April 2017, the gross Australian government debt was $551.75 billion.