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I would hope so - but I noticed  10 deaths in ON since yesterday, 5 were from care homes

What?? How the fuck did the virus get back into those facilities. Heads need to roll.

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Our numbers locally here have been going down.

We had 334 new infections today in my province.....I fear another lock down or restrictions.

cc

Major dilema for Care Homes thanks to Covid - Liability Insurance for pandemics



https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/some-long-term-care-homes-can-t-get-insurance-could-be-force-to-close-association-1.5153060">Ontario's long-term care homes are having trouble securing liability insurance for COVID-19, a situation that could force some of them to close, a group representing more than 70 per cent of the province's homes says.



The Ontario Long-Term Care Association says its homes are being offered new policies without a key provision: coverage for infectious diseases, including COVID-19.



The association has now turned to the federal government for help, saying potential claims could place a burden on the homes' finances, and loans could be denied over the lack of coverage.



"We're operating in good faith trying to do the best we can, but we really do need help with this and we need help urgently," said CEO Donna Duncan.



Previously, long-term care homes received $5-million to $10-million coverage for damages or claims related to infectious diseases, Duncan said.



Now, insurance companies are including a "contagious disease exclusion endorsement" in policies for the homes, she said.



COVID-19 and a laundry list of other diseases are specifically not covered, according to one policy obtained by The Canadian Press.



The Insurance Bureau of Canada, which represents the majority of insurance companies in the country, said coverage for losses related to communicable diseases is available in certain policies but isn't easy to get.



"In an active pandemic environment, coverage for pandemic-related financial losses would naturally be extremely difficult to obtain," spokesman Steve Kee said.



"This situation is akin to trying to get fire insurance when your house is on fire."





Insurance companies continue to provide general liability insurance to long-term care homes, he said.



Duncan said some homes have already lost liability insurance against infectious diseases when they renewed their deals this summer.



Without that coverage, some homes are being refused loans and lines of credit, she said.



In one case, Duncan said, a small home that hasn't had a single case of COVID-19 sought to build a new facility to get away from the three- and four-bedroom wards that have proven to be like death traps if COVID-19 got in. The facility needed financing to get the project going, but was denied money from a lender because of the lack of liability insurance for COVID-19, she said.





The lack of coverage against infectious diseases also leaves directors and members of boards personally liable to any legal action, Duncan said.



There are numerous lawsuits, including several class-action suits that have already been brought by grieving families against homes where residents died of COVID-19.



Duncan said the majority of homes have insurance renewals set for Dec. 31.



Her association has pleaded its case to the federal government in a letter sent late last week, asking Ottawa to provide a "backstop" and essentially insure the insurance companies.



"In consultation with insurers, reinsurance companies and major lenders, it is clear to us that long-term care is now essentially uninsurable for outbreaks," Duncan wrote.



The insurance industry is open to the association's federal government backstop idea, Kee said.



The Prime Minister's Office referred questions to the Minister of Health, which did not answer questions about the request from the long-term care association.



A spokesman for Health Minister Patty Hajdu said the federal government will work with the provinces "to set new, national standards for long-term care that ensure the health, safety, and well-being of residents."



In Ontario, the majority of homes are for-profit, with the remainder not-for-profit or municipally owned.





Several experts questioned whether it is appropriate for taxpayers to insure for-profit insurance companies and thereby cover any claim against long-term care homes.



Tamara Daly, the director of the York University Centre for Aging Research and Education, said taxpayers providing insurance to the long-term care industry is not workable.



"I think it would be a knee-jerk reaction to publicly fund liability insurance," she said.



Daly and Samir Sinha, the director of health policy research at the National Institute on Ageing and a professor of medicine at the University of Toronto, said public money would be better spent fixing the long-term care home system in the province rather than fixing the insurance issues.



"If we dealt with the fundamental issues right off the beginning, if homes had enough staffing, enough PPE, they may not have been in the situation in the first place," Sinha said.



More than 1,900 residents of long-term care homes have died from COVID-19 since the pandemic hit. The number of cases in the province's 625 facilities are surging once again as the second wave takes hold, with outbreaks in 72 homes by mid-October.



[I'm guessin this will be a problem everywhere]
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

I wondered if small long term care operators would have difficulty remaining open.

Anonymous

This is good news.



Canada receives shipment of 100,000 COVID-19 rapid tests: Procurement minister



Procurement Minister Anita Anand says Canada has received a first shipment of 100,000 rapid tests for COVID-19.



Anand confirmed the delivery of the ID Now kit, which can provide results in as little as 13 minutes on the spot where the patient is tested.



She said on Twitter that the country is on track to receive more than 2.5 million of the tests by the end of the year, and that delivery of a second rapid test, the Abbott Panbio, should begin to arrive shortly.


https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-receives-shipment-of-100-000-covid-19-rapid-tests-procurement-minister-1.1511257">https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-rece ... -1.1511257">https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canada-receives-shipment-of-100-000-covid-19-rapid-tests-procurement-minister-1.1511257

cc

I keep wondering where all those promised antibody tests went to (they talked about it being available months ago and since, nada :confused1:



As vaccines are on the move now, I know that if I get a shot I will not trust it or act any different until I get a follow up antibody test to confirm I'm good to go
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

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I keep wondering where all those promised antibody tests went to (they talked about it being available months ago and since, nada :confused1:



As vaccines are on the move now, I know that if I get a shot I will not trust it or act any different until I get a follow up antibody test to confirm I'm good to go

I'll probably get vaccinated before I get an antibodies test..



I'll have to be happy with that.

cc

Sorry - What I meant was antibody test after vaccine to prove it was effective  



 although if it's effective in testing to pretty much  all people, that should do it





What with Bonnie & CDC on same page today, It's been the best day of this whole thing
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=387873 time=1603332667 user_id=88
Sorry - What I meant was antibody test after vaccine to prove it was effective  



 although if it's effective in testing to pretty much  all people, that should do it





What with Bonnie & CDC on same page today, It's been the best day of this whole thing


I know what you meant..



What I should've said was I'll have to learn to be happy with just a vaccine and no antibodies test afterwards because it doesn't look like they'll be available anytime soon in Canada.

cc

Could be. Have you heard that specifically?



All I know is they made a big announcement in early summer that it was ready to go - then I've heard nothing either way since



If testing verifies 100% , then it's not an issue
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=387875 time=1603333769 user_id=88
Could be. Have you heard that specifically?



All I know is they made a big announcement in early summer that it was ready to go - then I've heard nothing either way since



If testing verifies 100% , then it's not an issue

No, but it's been crickets since the summer announcement..



People like Seoul would like to know if they have immunity.

cc

Yes, of course. I'll try some searching, but search doesn't always deliver what one wants
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=387877 time=1603335522 user_id=88
Yes, of course. I'll try some searching, but search doesn't always deliver what one wants

Our premier, our chief medical officer of health, her federal counterpart, the federal health minister talked about it..



They stopped mentioning it months ago.

cc

Yes. Promised Antibody tests just disappeared from the face of the earth.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

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Yes. Promised Antibody tests just disappeared from the face of the earth.

It's very strange.

Anonymous

Hard extended lock downs like Gov Whitmer of Michigan inflicted on her state were a disaster.



Texas's Abbott Rated Best Governor on Economy, COVID Response: Report



WASHINGTON—The governors of Texas, Georgia, and South Dakota rank highest in the nation based on economic policy performance and management of the COVID-19 health crisis, according to a new study.



A scorecard by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a conservative, nonprofit organization, evaluated the 50 governors using various performance indicators, including tax and spending policy, use of federal funding from the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act, education spending, welfare policy, and labor regulations.



Greg Abbott of Texas topped the list "due to his commitment to fiscal conservatism and free market policies," the report by ALEC stated. Brian Kemp of Georgia and Kristi Noem of South Dakota ranked second and third, respectively. All three are Republican.



To judge overall performance, the governors were assigned a grade of 1 to 5 stars, with top performers getting 4 or 5 stars and the worst receiving 1 or 2.



The worst governors on the scorecard were Gina Raimondo of Rhode Island, Mike Dunleavy of Alaska, and Phil Murphy of New Jersey. Raimondo and Murphy are Democrats, while Dunleavy is a Republican.



Besides an overall ranking, the study also ranked governors based on their state's debt and spending levels, pandemic preparedness, and overall economic performance.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/best-and-worst-governors-on-economy-covid-response-report_3549324.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2020-10-23">https://www.theepochtimes.com/best-and- ... 2020-10-23">https://www.theepochtimes.com/best-and-worst-governors-on-economy-covid-response-report_3549324.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2020-10-23