Pro and con discussion regarding fast food wages....

[Romero]

Minimum wage starts at $10/hour in Canada and other wealthy countries, but it's not forcing small businesses into bankruptcy. People here are doing much better than people in the US! It gets even worse every single year they don't raise the minimum wage.

[Anonymous]

Minimum wage starts at $10/hour in Canada and other wealthy countries, but it's not forcing small businesses into bankruptcy. People here are doing much better than people in the US! It gets even worse every single year they don't raise the minimum wage.

I don't believe someone making $10/hour in an expensive city like Calgary is better off than someone making $7.25/hour in Nevada. Costs are lower there and the price of junk food is a little cheaper too.



If I charge $5 for a burger why would anyone buy from me when the person next door is offering the exact same quality portion size product for $3.75? It would put me out of business pdq.

[Romero]

Why are you comparing Calgary to Nevada? Millions of American minimum wagers work in cities more expensive than Calgary.



A higher minimum wage might add pennies to a burger, but certainly not dollars. We're all better off in Canada so there's no reason it wouldn't work out well in the US!

[Anonymous]

Why are you comparing Calgary to Nevada? Millions of American minimum wagers work in cities more expensive than Calgary.



A higher minimum wage might add pennies to a burger, but certainly not dollars. We're all better off in Canada so there's no reason it wouldn't work out well in the US!

It's an apt comparison since you are always comparing Canada and the USA.



Incorrect, for the fast food industry labour represents something like 35% of their costs. The only way to cope with a 30% increase in costs(wages and payroll taxes) would be to drastically improve productivity and that would mean fewer employees. Hence, my point minimum wage in kiddy jobs does not increase living standards it raises unemployment for high school kids.

[Anonymous]

A cute little analogy for Romero.



A few years ago, I was in need of some extra cash so I decided to sell my laptop on eBay. A few days later, I got an offer. It wasn't great, but then neither was my laptop. But before the payment went through, I got a call from the government.



"We have decided that the offer you got was too low. We're not going to let you sell your laptop for anything less than three hundred dollars."



But no one is willing to pay me three hundred dollars," I said. "I'd rather have two hundred bucks than nothing."



"Oh, no, you can't do that," I was told. "That would be unfair to you."



The problem is that the minimum wage doesn't ensure everyone can earn a living...it ensures that many kids can't earn anything.

[Romero]

Americans used to make $10/hour in today's dollars. The country and economy was doing much better then. Now that the minimum wage is a paltry $7.25/hour, the economy is sputtering and millions are living in poverty.



If a low minimum wage is a good idea, then why is the economy and standard of living much worse than when the minimum wage was higher?

[Renee]

Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career. He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries. He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds. Fast food workers in the US need to be paid what their jobs are worth not what other countries THINK they are worth.  Markets set wages and pushing wages beyond what the market will bear will have a direct impact on consumers AND low income workers. Business forced to pay too much for what they get in return from employees will either need to pass the increased costs on to consumer or cut staff. That means less jobs and higher prices. The higher prices will also have a direct impact on the poor because in many situations fast food is used as a main source of food supply for low income families.



Also what people like Romero fail to realize is that low income wage earners are not on average the family breadwinners. Their paychecks are generally not the primary income used to survive. So saying that minimum wage employees need higher pay so that they can survive and pay the household bills is for the most part bullshit. As I stated at the outset of this post, fast food jobs are NOT meant to be careers. They are starter jobs or stop gap measure jobs meant to be performed by teens, young adults and people looking for part time employment.



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http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1">http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/t ... z2j9EgKkQ1">http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974">http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job">http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956 ... ting-a-job">http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job



In reality this whole minimum wage flap in the US is just another smoke screen created by the left to distract the voting public from the calculated and planned fuck-up that is the Obama Presidency. The Obamacare rollout is an unmitigated disaster. We are 29 days into open enrollment and to date the enrollment website is so technologically screwed that it can't even be accessed in most states. If this Obamacare turd ever gets off the ground 10 million of the estimated 14 million Americans who are self-insured are expected to lose their current affordable healthcare benefits and it is all because their current policies do not meet the Obamascare requirements. An estimated 1 million have already received cancelation notices ending their current "affordable" healthcare programs.  In contrast the corresponding Obamascare plan will cost many policy holders 2 and in some case 3 times what they are or were currently paying in premiums.  So much for the claimed affordability and so much for the bald faced LIE that Odumbo told the American people about being able to KEEP their existing healthcare if they so wished. This whole Obamacare thing is a travesty, a fraud perpetrated on the American people by a Marxist ideologue so that the far left radicals can seize complete control of the healthcare industry in the US. It is just another far left redistribution of wealth scheme that radical leftwing politicians have hung their hats upon for 100 years.  Unfortunately this is probably the biggest and by far the most onerous and destructive far left scam since the expansion of welfare in the 1960s.



http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html">http://www.newser.com/story/176653/unde ... icies.html">http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html

[Romero]

Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career.

No, but for millions of Americans a minimum wage job is all they can get.

He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries.

They are paid $10/hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries - in Canada and other countries with better economies and standards of living. You already lost the argument years ago. Your economy sucks and millions have been sent into poverty. Fifty million Americans can't even afford to feed themselves and their families.



If the cost of living keeps going up and wages don't, how are people going to be able to afford housing, food, clothes, transportation and education? The US is becoming more like a Third World country every day.



Two thirds of American minimum wagers are adults and one third are adults with at least one child. There aren't any decent jobs any more, thanks to the same people who thought a crappy minimum wage was a good idea.



What's with the Obamacare conspiracy theory? The left has been arguing for a higher minimum wage years and years before Obamacare. There have been some hiccups, but don't believe the lies you're being fed. Obamacare is going to finally provide health care for millions of Americans. Something else enjoyed in Canada and other more developed nations.

He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds.

Obvious Li thinks it should be $15/hour!

[Obvious Li]

Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career.

No, but for millions of Americans a minimum wage job is all they can get.

He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries.

They are paid $10/hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries - in Canada and other countries with better economies and standards of living. You already lost the argument years ago. Your economy sucks and millions have been sent into poverty. Fifty million Americans can't even afford to feed themselves and their families.



If the cost of living keeps going up and wages don't, how are people going to be able to afford housing, food, clothes, transportation and education? The US is becoming more like a Third World country every day.



Two thirds of American minimum wagers are adults and one third are adults with at least one child. There aren't any decent jobs any more, thanks to the same people who thought a crappy minimum wage was a good idea.



What's with the Obamacare conspiracy theory? The left has been arguing for a higher minimum wage years and years before Obamacare. There have been some hiccups, but don't believe the lies you're being fed. Obamacare is going to finally provide health care for millions of Americans. Something else enjoyed in Canada and other more developed nations.

He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds.

Obvious Li thinks it should be $15/hour!

Obvious Li is obviously full of shit.......hehehe.. :mrgreen:

[Anonymous]

Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career. He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries. He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds. Fast food workers in the US need to be paid what their jobs are worth not what other countries THINK they are worth.  Markets set wages and pushing wages beyond what the market will bear will have a direct impact on consumers AND low income workers. Business forced to pay too much for what they get in return from employees will either need to pass the increased costs on to consumer or cut staff. That means less jobs and higher prices. The higher prices will also have a direct impact on the poor because in many situations fast food is used as a main source of food supply for low income families.



Also what people like Romero fail to realize is that low income wage earners are not on average the family breadwinners. Their paychecks are generally not the primary income used to survive. So saying that minimum wage employees need higher pay so that they can survive and pay the household bills is for the most part bullshit. As I stated at the outset of this post, fast food jobs are NOT meant to be careers. They are starter jobs or stop gap measure jobs meant to be performed by teens, young adults and people looking for part time employment.



http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/18/raising-minimum-wage-hurts-those-it-claims-to-help/">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... s-to-help/">http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/18/raising-minimum-wage-hurts-those-it-claims-to-help/

http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1">http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/t ... z2j9EgKkQ1">http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-minimum-wage-good-intentions-bad-results#axzz2j9EgKkQ1

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974">http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=13974

http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job">http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956 ... ting-a-job">http://www.policymic.com/articles/26956/obama-s-9-minimum-wage-increase-would-seriously-harm-poor-people-s-chances-of-getting-a-job



In reality this whole minimum wage flap in the US is just another smoke screen created by the left to distract the voting public from the calculated and planned fuck-up that is the Obama Presidency. The Obamacare rollout is an unmitigated disaster. We are 29 days into open enrollment and to date the enrollment website is so technologically screwed that it can't even be accessed in most states. If this Obamacare turd ever gets off the ground 10 million of the estimated 14 million Americans who are self-insured are expected to lose their current affordable healthcare benefits and it is all because their current policies do not meet the Obamascare requirements. An estimated 1 million have already received cancelation notices ending their current "affordable" healthcare programs.  In contrast the corresponding Obamascare plan will cost many policy holders 2 and in some case 3 times what they are or were currently paying in premiums.  So much for the claimed affordability and so much for the bald faced LIE that Odumbo told the American people about being able to KEEP their existing healthcare if they so wished. This whole Obamacare thing is a travesty, a fraud perpetrated on the American people by a Marxist ideologue so that the far left radicals can seize complete control of the healthcare industry in the US. It is just another far left redistribution of wealth scheme that radical leftwing politicians have hung their hats upon for 100 years.  Unfortunately this is probably the biggest and by far the most onerous and destructive far left scam since the expansion of welfare in the 1960s.



http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html">http://www.newser.com/story/176653/unde ... icies.html">http://www.newser.com/story/176653/under-obamacare-millions-must-change-policies.html

Parts in bold are spot on Renee. Higher minimum wages in the end really help nobody.

[Anonymous]

Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career.

No, but for millions of Americans a minimum wage job is all they can get.

He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries.

They are paid $10/hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries - in Canada and other countries with better economies and standards of living. You already lost the argument years ago. Your economy sucks and millions have been sent into poverty. Fifty million Americans can't even afford to feed themselves and their families.



If the cost of living keeps going up and wages don't, how are people going to be able to afford housing, food, clothes, transportation and education? The US is becoming more like a Third World country every day.



Two thirds of American minimum wagers are adults and one third are adults with at least one child. There aren't any decent jobs any more, thanks to the same people who thought a crappy minimum wage was a good idea.



What's with the Obamacare conspiracy theory? The left has been arguing for a higher minimum wage years and years before Obamacare. There have been some hiccups, but don't believe the lies you're being fed. Obamacare is going to finally provide health care for millions of Americans. Something else enjoyed in Canada and other more developed nations.

He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds.

Obvious Li thinks it should be $15/hour!

You are not a US citizen so I do not understand why you give a flying fuck how much kiddy jobs pay South of the border. If grown men and women choose to stay in loser jobs permanently it is none of our business. What a bizarre thing to concern yourself with.



The USA is far from perfect, but it is still preferable to the economic basket case that is Europe. You should be more concerned about the garbage wages Europeans pay. Fash's husband is an electrician and makes fantastic money, but if he was in Sweden or Finland he would make 60% less...at least. Britain or France prolly a bigger difference again. These are expensive countries to live in ffs! If you are going to stick your nose into something that is no concern of your own, that seems much worse. Many European countries have garbage wages and no work. The USA is hardly a jobs mecca either, but that is because they have such an inept, destructive prez. Grow the economy and wages increase(like Alberta), sluggish growth and wages stagnate(like Europe or Obongo's USA).



I believe the minimum wage in Alberta is $9.95/hr, but every Timmy's and Mickey D's here pays about $11/hr. Govern

[Romero]

You are not a US citizen so I do not understand why you give a flying fuck how much kiddy jobs pay South of the border. If grown men and women choose to stay in loser jobs permanently it is none of our business. What a bizarre thing to concern yourself with.

Obvious Li started this thread. Is he a US citizen? You've discussed this issue. Are you a US citizen?



Renee has also claimed that I'm somehow not allowed to be concerned. Unfortunately I forgot to care and had a nice chuckle instead.



I'm concerned because millions of Americans are struggling and going hungry.



Is there any good reason why I'm not allowed to be concerned but everyone else is?

[Anonymous]

You are not a US citizen so I do not understand why you give a flying fuck how much kiddy jobs pay South of the border. If grown men and women choose to stay in loser jobs permanently it is none of our business. What a bizarre thing to concern yourself with.

Obvious Li started this thread. Is he a US citizen? You've discussed this issue. Are you a US citizen?



Renee has also said that I'm somehow not allowed to be concerned. Unfortunately I forgot to care and had a nice chuckle instead.



I'm concerned because millions of Americans are struggling and going hungry.



Is there any good reason why I'm not allowed to be concerned but everyone else is?

Obvious Li lived in the USA and I am only responding to it. I don't give a flying fuck about some mom and pop restaurant in Nebraska.



There are countries in Europe with no legislated minimum wage too.  Most of Europe is in worse shape than the USA. Many Europeans are really struggling with unemployment, low wages and slightly above subsistence living. Why the USA?

[Renee]

Romero thinks working at McDonalds should be a career.

No, but for millions of Americans a minimum wage job is all they can get.

He thinks that people should be paid 10 dollars and hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries.

They are paid $10/hour to start for flipping a burger or scooping up fries - in Canada and other countries with better economies and standards of living. You already lost the argument years ago. Your economy sucks and millions have been sent into poverty. Fifty million Americans can't even afford to feed themselves and their families.



If the cost of living keeps going up and wages don't, how are people going to be able to afford housing, food, clothes, transportation and education? The US is becoming more like a Third World country every day.



Two thirds of American minimum wagers are adults and one third are adults with at least one child. There aren't any decent jobs any more, thanks to the same people who thought a crappy minimum wage was a good idea.



What's with the Obamacare conspiracy theory? The left has been arguing for a higher minimum wage years and years before Obamacare. There have been some hiccups, but don't believe the lies you're being fed. Obamacare is going to finally provide health care for millions of Americans. Something else enjoyed in Canada and other more developed nations.

He and everyone like him are out of their loony liberal minds.

Obvious Li thinks it should be $15/hour!

What a tool you are;...... hiccups; seriously?????? Go tell your Obamascare spin to the 10 million who will lose their current healthcare benefits and be forced to pay higher premiums that they cannot afford or go without. You would probably get the shit beat out of you by more than one or two of them.



You really have very little grasp of what is happening. Even news outlets like NBC and CNN are reporting on how the American people were LIED to and how Obama and Co. spent 650 MILLION taxpayer dollars for a website that doesn't work.



OH and BTW, that website developer is a CANADIAN concern that received their basically NO-bid contract even after the Canadian government warned the US about how that particular web developer could screw up a free lunch. It's just same old, same old for Odumbo and his drooling minions; it's just incompetence all around.



Oh and BTW again, Kathleen Sibelius got grilled in from of congress today over the failed launch of Heathcare.gov and even she couldn't deny that it is a "disaster". She didn't use the word "hiccup" once but she did use the word "debacle" and unlike Hillary and Holder she was brave enough to claim responsibility for this huge fuck-up. But it remains to be seen if she will ultimately pay any price for this because like the rest of the criminal Marxist liberals in the Obama cabinet, she is under the protection of the "Dear Leader" and his Chicago storm troopers.

[Romero]

Obvious Li lived in the USA and I am only responding to it.

So am I!