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China and Taiwan at war soon?

Started by Frood, August 26, 2020, 10:02:46 PM

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Bricktop

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The world's reaction to a Chinese assault on Taiwan would be brutal.



China's trade would disappear overnight. And they still know quite well that if the US stepped in, they are nowhere near as militarily capable as they might think.

Hmm, I don't know about that.



Chinese missile launch very concerning, says top US general

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59072616">https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59072616


Every time an adversary tests or commissions a new weapon, our government flunkies use the media to express horror, trepidation and "look what they have" outbursts.



Yet when western militaries test fire a new weapon system, very little is said.



In "1984", Orwell highlighted the need to encapsulate society in fear of external military powers to maintain communal discipline. The "enemies" changed regularly, and their might contrasted the bravery and ingenuity of Big Brother's military. Put another way, it is the common behaviour of a military to exaggerate the potency of the enemy in order to maintain fear and large budgetary allocations.



Test firing a hypersonic missile is one thing. Deploying it as a battlefield asset is quite another. The US has both a numeric and qualitative ascendency over China. That is before the US triggers its NATO alliance, viz; "An attack on one member is an attack on all".



The more likely reality is that war between major military powers is highly unlikely simply because the cost to all involved would be staggering, win or lose. That includes China.



Like all communist states, it is strong on rhetoric, but less robust on action. I think Taiwan is safe.

Anonymous

Quote from: Bricktop post_id=425315 time=1635461326 user_id=1560
Quote from: Fashionista post_id=425244 time=1635402882 user_id=3254
Quote from: Bricktop post_id=425243 time=1635402179 user_id=1560
The world's reaction to a Chinese assault on Taiwan would be brutal.



China's trade would disappear overnight. And they still know quite well that if the US stepped in, they are nowhere near as militarily capable as they might think.

Hmm, I don't know about that.



Chinese missile launch very concerning, says top US general

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59072616">https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59072616


Every time an adversary tests or commissions a new weapon, our government flunkies use the media to express horror, trepidation and "look what they have" outbursts.



Yet when western militaries test fire a new weapon system, very little is said.



In "1984", Orwell highlighted the need to encapsulate society in fear of external military powers to maintain communal discipline. The "enemies" changed regularly, and their might contrasted the bravery and ingenuity of Big Brother's military. Put another way, it is the common behaviour of a military to exaggerate the potency of the enemy in order to maintain fear and large budgetary allocations.



Test firing a hypersonic missile is one thing. Deploying it as a battlefield asset is quite another. The US has both a numeric and qualitative ascendency over China. That is before the US triggers its NATO alliance, viz; "An attack on one member is an attack on all".



The more likely reality is that war between major military powers is highly unlikely simply because the cost to all involved would be staggering, win or lose. That includes China.



Like all communist states, it is strong on rhetoric, but less robust on action. I think Taiwan is safe.

I would've agreed with you five years ago, but so much has changed in China and the USA in that time.

Bricktop

While much has changed, the fundamentals of modern warfare remain the same.



"We may not be able to defeat you on the battlefield, but we can destroy your cities and factories regardless. The cost of attacking us will be the end of your nation".

Anonymous

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While much has changed, the fundamentals of modern warfare remain the same.



"We may not be able to defeat you on the battlefield, but we can destroy your cities and factories regardless. The cost of attacking us will be the end of your nation".

I meant the politics have changed in China and the USA..



The current standing committe of the CCP is the most aggressive since Chairman Mao..



On the other hand, the American administration is the weakest leadership that country has ever had and has many crises at home.

Bricktop

Leaders come and go. The military remains the same.

Thiel

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Leaders come and go. The military remains the same.

I noticed before COVID things were changing on business trips to China. Xi is moving China in a direction opposite of his predecessors. It's becoming more authoritarian and showing less restraint in foreign affairs.
gay, conservative and proud

Bricktop

Xi is a racist. His bitch is with white people.

Thiel

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Xi is a racist. His bitch is with white people.

He wants to fight with countries that took advantage of dynastic China. And crush any domestic dissent. Even within the party itself.
gay, conservative and proud

Bricktop

Precisely. He wants vengeance against white nations.

Anonymous

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Precisely. He wants vengeance against white nations.

China does seem to want to settle very old scores.

Anonymous

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Quote from: Bricktop post_id=425370 time=1635472597 user_id=1560
Leaders come and go. The military remains the same.

I noticed before COVID things were changing on business trips to China. Xi is moving China in a direction opposite of his predecessors. It's becoming more authoritarian and showing less restraint in foreign affairs.

He is no fan of a freer economy either like Hu Jintao or the late great Deng Xiaoping.

Anonymous

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Quote from: Bricktop post_id=425406 time=1635480069 user_id=1560
Precisely. He wants vengeance against white nations.

China does seem to want to settle very old scores.

But, that aint nothing new. In the past it was just talk. Now, under Xi, it is more than just talk.

Anonymous

Could China's stategy be to conquer islands under Taiwan's control before taking the main island of Taiwan.



China Has Debated Attacking Taiwan-Controlled Islands, Top Taiwan Official Says



Beijing has mulled invading Taiwan's Pratas Islands but will not mount an attack before the island's president Tsai Ing-wen finishes her term in 2024, a top Taiwanese security official said.



"Attacking and capturing Pratas Islands, and using war to force Taiwan into talks, this scenario in our assessment will not happen during President Tsai's tenure," Chen Ming-tong, National Security Bureau Director-General of the self-ruling island, told lawmakers on Nov. 4.



The Taiwan-controlled Pratas Islands, which lays around 190 miles southeast of Hong Kong, has been particularly vulnerable to attacks because of its proximity to mainland China, some experts have said.



"Frankly speaking, they have internally debated about it before," he said. "We of course have some awareness," Chen said.



Chen made the comments just a day after Pentagon warned about China's growing nuclear capabilities, which is on track to have a five-fold increase over the next decade.



Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, on Wednesday expressed the same opinion as Chen, saying that China is unlikely to seize Taiwan by military force in the near future, or what he defined as within a window of "6, 12, maybe 24 months."



"Having said that, though, the Chinese are clearly and unambiguously building the capability to provide those options to the national leadership, if they so choose, at some point in the future," Milley said at the Aspen Security Forum. "But anything can happen," he added.



Taiwan's defense minister has recently warned that China would be fully capable to invade Taiwan by 2025.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/china-has-debated-attacking-taiwan-controlled-islands-top-taiwan-official-says_4086851.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-11-05&mktids=9e83805539ccea2fa7171d75d04eaf44&est=C3ld0bLGT3qMiogYCnAgVtR9M2Qw7b%2FmRGEGgJR6SupDsSJyjrbN50wVY0S47cjRbw%3D%3D">https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morni ... jRbw%3D%3D">https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/china-has-debated-attacking-taiwan-controlled-islands-top-taiwan-official-says_4086851.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-11-05&mktids=9e83805539ccea2fa7171d75d04eaf44&est=C3ld0bLGT3qMiogYCnAgVtR9M2Qw7b%2FmRGEGgJR6SupDsSJyjrbN50wVY0S47cjRbw%3D%3D

Frood

China is so going to take Taiwan.... and most of the Pacific.
Blahhhhhh...

Anonymous

Quote from: "Dinky Dazza" post_id=426127 time=1636109967 user_id=1676
China is so going to take Taiwan.... and most of the Pacific.

They want it under their thumb. They have taken effective control over all of the Spratly's. Seizing islands in the resource rich area from Vietnam and the Philippines.