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This did not affect the election outcome, but it's an example of Democrats putting their thumbs on the scale.



California Judge Says Governor's Mail Ballot Order Violated Constitution



California Gov. Gavin Newsom exceeded his authority and violated the state Constitution with an executive order that let all residents vote by mail if they wanted to, a California judge ruled.



Sutter County Superior Court Judge Sarah Heckman ruled Nov. 13 that the order, N-67-20, "improperly amended existing statutory law, exceeding the governor's authority and violating the separation of powers."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/california-governor-violated-the-constitution-with-mail-ballot-order-judge_3579483.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-15-1">https://www.theepochtimes.com/californi ... 20-11-15-1">https://www.theepochtimes.com/california-governor-violated-the-constitution-with-mail-ballot-order-judge_3579483.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-15-1

Anonymous

Trump Campaign Files Suit, Urges Judge to Block Pennsylvania From Certifying Election Results

The Trump campaign on Nov. 15 called on a judge in Pennsylvania to block the state from certifying Democratic nominee Joe Biden as the winner of the election, saying there's evidence that voters were allowed to "cure" their ballots.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-campaign-files-lawsuit-urges-judge-to-block-state-from-certifying-election-results_3579809.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-15-3">https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-cam ... 20-11-15-3">https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-campaign-files-lawsuit-urges-judge-to-block-state-from-certifying-election-results_3579809.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-15-3

Anonymous

Q&A for State Legislators and Citizens—The Constitution and How to Settle the Election



Q: Why are state legislatures involved?



A: You don't learn this in school, but the Founders put the state legislatures near the heart of the political system. So much so that during the public debates over ratification of the Constitution, one of the most popular pro-Constitution writers (Tench Coxe) affirmed (pdf) that once the Constitution was ratified, ultimate sovereignty would lodge in a combination of state legislatures and state conventions.



Q: How is that relevant to presidential elections?



A: The Constitution gives state legislatures power to determine how electors are appointed. This power was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court this year in Chiafolo v. Washington (pdf). The Court held that state legislatures not only control choice of electors but can also even direct them how to vote.



Q: Are there roles for Congress in the presidential election system?



A: Yes. One is that the Constitution's Same Day Clause or Presidential Vote Clause (Art. II, Sec. 1, cl. 4) authorizes Congress to select a uniform national day for voting by presidential electors and a (necessarily uniform) national time for voting for president electors. Congress has responded with legislation whose current version was enacted in 1948: Dec. 14 for voting by electors (3 U.S. Code §7) and Nov. 3 for voting for electors (id., §1).



Q: But this year many people voted by mail and the balloting continued over weeks ...



A: Yes, and that was a violation of both the Same Day Clause and federal law. Some of the election irregularities were those the Same Day Clause was adopted to prevent.



Q: So, where does the state legislature come in?



A: Federal law, 3 U.S.C., § 2, recognizes state legislatures' continuing power to choose electors after Nov. 3 if the election on that date fails. It reads:



"Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct."



Q: Is that relevant to all states this year?



A: No—only to the six states with contested elections. Investigations over the next few weeks may show that preliminary results in some of these states are accurate. Then the law will apply only to states (if any) where the results remain helplessly muddled.



Q: How do lawmakers learn if claims of irregularities are true?



A: They should see how the lawsuits challenging the election unfold in their states over the next few days and weeks. I also recommend that legislative committees hold hearings of their own.



Q: To overturn an election, do you have to show fraud?



A: No. Any irregularities altering the results may be sufficient. These include (1) election officials treating different votes in different ways, in violation of the 14th amendment (Bush v. Gore, pdf), (2) changing election procedures during or after the election—or before the election in a way that confuses voters, and (3) even innocent mistakes, including software or machine errors.



Q: I read an article saying that fraud is sufficient to upend an election, and that there's no need to show it changed the result. Is this correct?



A: No. A court is unlikely to set an election aside if the results would have been the same anyway.



Q: If a state legislature finds that the results are hopelessly muddled, what should it do?



A: The principal options are (1) call a special election limited to presidential electors only, or (2) choose the electors itself. Some may gripe about a quick election repeat, but successive elections are common in some other democratic countries.



Q: Is it true that only the governor may call the legislature into special session?



A: It's true in some states. Of course, this is no problem if the governor is cooperative. Some state constitutions allow a petition signed by a certain number of lawmakers to call a special session.



Q: My state's law says only the people, not the legislature, can choose electors. State law further requires a 60-day notice period before a special election. Doesn't this prevent our state lawmakers from acting even if federal law would seem to authorize them to do so?



A: No. First, if the legislature can come into session it may—either with gubernatorial cooperation or by a veto-proof majority—change the laws as necessary and allow the people to vote.



Q: What if the governor is not cooperative and there's no veto-proof majority?



A: Then the legislature may call itself into session and choose the electors itself.



Q: Huh?



A: This is one of those things not taught in law school. Here's the background:



The Constitution delegates power to federal departments and officials. But it also assigns responsibilities to persons and entities outside the federal government. These persons and entities include state governors, presidential electors, convention delegates, voters, jurors—and state legislatures. The courts refer to the exercise of these responsibilities as "federal functions." (See my forthcoming article (pdf) on the subject in the University of Pennsylvania Journal of Constitutional Law.)



When the Constitution assigns responsibility to the "state legislature," it may mean either the state's entire legislative apparatus, including the governor, or the representative assembly standing alone, without the governor.



Q: Go on ...



A: The Constitution gives state legislatures power to regulate federal elections. In this case, the delegation is to the entire legislative process including the governor (Ariz. State Legislature v. Ariz. Independent Redistricting Comm'n, pdf). But when state legislatures act in the constitutional amendment process or elect functionaries themselves, they act alone, without gubernatorial involvement.



Q: For example?



A: Before the 17th amendment, the state legislatures elected U.S. senators, and the governor had no say in the matter. Choice of presidential electors is almost certainly subject to the same rule. Federal law seems to recognize this when it provides, "Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed ... in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct." Surely Congress didn't expect the legislature to go through the entire law-making process in a constricted period of time. It contemplated the legislature choosing the electors itself or setting up an expedited process.



Q: Okay, but if the state constitution says only the governor can call a special session, how can the legislature call itself into session?



A: When a state legislature exercises a "federal function," its power comes directly from the U.S. Constitution, and it's not bound by state rules. The judiciary has said this repeatedly. The leading case is the Supreme Court decision in Leser v. Garnett (pdf), written by the celebrated justice Louis Brandeis.



Q: Of the six contested states, all but Nevada have Republican-controlled legislatures. I've heard it suggested that they not choose electors at all. That way, neither Trump nor Biden will have 270 electors (a majority of the whole number of 538), forcing a run-off election in the House of Representatives. Although the Democrats will have a slim majority in the new House, the GOP will hold a majority of state delegations. Since presidential voting in the House is by state, it will elect Trump.



A: The suggestion is unwise. First, state lawmakers would, justifiably, take at least as much political heat for simply punting as for calling a new election or choosing the electors.



Second, the 12th amendment says that only if no presidential candidate receives "a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed" does the election go to the House. If none of the five contested states with Republican legislatures appoints electors, then there will be only 465 "Electors appointed." If, as is almost certain, Nevada goes for Biden, then that would give him 233 votes—a majority of 465. No House run-off.



If fewer than five Republican legislatures abstain, then Biden will win the remaining states, and with them the presidency.



Q: So what should state lawmakers do in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin?



A: Ignore the media gaslighting and exercise their constitutional responsibilities. Monitor the state election challenges closely. If no clear winner appears in, say, two more weeks, then either call a snap election using old-fashioned paper ballots in fixed polling locations or, if the governor doesn't cooperate, call themselves into session and choose the state's presidential electors. In the latter case, lawmakers can blame it all on the uncooperative governor. Remember that the process has to be complete before the electors meet on Dec. 14.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/qa-for-state-legislators-and-citizens-the-constitution-and-how-to-settle-the-election_3579860.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-15-5">https://www.theepochtimes.com/qa-for-st ... 20-11-15-5">https://www.theepochtimes.com/qa-for-state-legislators-and-citizens-the-constitution-and-how-to-settle-the-election_3579860.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-15-5

Anonymous

This is in line with what the Seoul brother posted.

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Blazor

Quote from: kiebers post_id=390493 time=1605460485 user_id=193
Ain't we havin fun....

Going to be an interesting few weeks.

Software manual tells how to drag and drop votes to another folder and delete. If true, shit is gonna fly in a lot of directions.




Yup, I been saying it and saying about these machines. Now the truth will come out in the wash.



Gonna get interesting for sure!
I've come here to chew bubble gum, and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum.

Anonymous

Quote from: Blazor post_id=390653 time=1605545206 user_id=2221
Quote from: kiebers post_id=390493 time=1605460485 user_id=193
Ain't we havin fun....

Going to be an interesting few weeks.

Software manual tells how to drag and drop votes to another folder and delete. If true, shit is gonna fly in a lot of directions.




Yup, I been saying it and saying about these machines. Now the truth will come out in the wash.



Gonna get interesting for sure!

In the end, Joe Biden will be sworn in January 20, 2021.

Blazor

Quote from: seoulbro post_id=390657 time=1605545851 user_id=114
Quote from: Blazor post_id=390653 time=1605545206 user_id=2221
Quote from: kiebers post_id=390493 time=1605460485 user_id=193
Ain't we havin fun....

Going to be an interesting few weeks.

Software manual tells how to drag and drop votes to another folder and delete. If true, shit is gonna fly in a lot of directions.




Yup, I been saying it and saying about these machines. Now the truth will come out in the wash.



Gonna get interesting for sure!

In the end, Joe Biden will be sworn in January 20, 2021.


I wouldnt put money on that  :laugh:
I've come here to chew bubble gum, and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum.

Anonymous

Quote from: Blazor post_id=390662 time=1605550137 user_id=2221
Quote from: seoulbro post_id=390657 time=1605545851 user_id=114
Quote from: Blazor post_id=390653 time=1605545206 user_id=2221
Quote from: kiebers post_id=390493 time=1605460485 user_id=193
Ain't we havin fun....

Going to be an interesting few weeks.

Software manual tells how to drag and drop votes to another folder and delete. If true, shit is gonna fly in a lot of directions.




Yup, I been saying it and saying about these machines. Now the truth will come out in the wash.



Gonna get interesting for sure!

In the end, Joe Biden will be sworn in January 20, 2021.


I wouldnt put money on that  :laugh:

It seems inevitable Blazor.

Anonymous

Democrat Joe Biden held his lead in Arizona after all precincts reported in on Saturday, showing the challenger 10,377 votes ahead of President Donald Trump.



Biden received 1,672,054 votes, or 49.39 percent, compared to Trump's 1,661,677, or 49.09 percent, according to state results, which show 100 percent of precincts reporting.

cc

Now it starts to get good



https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-says-2020-election-was-unconstitutional_3581039.html">Trump Says 2020 Election Was Unconstitutional



President Donald Trump asserted in a series of new tweets that the 2020 election violated the U.S. Constitution.



"Many of the court cases being filed all over the Country are not ours, but rather those of people that have seen horrible abuses. Our big cases showing the unconstitutionality of the 2020 Election, & the outrage of things that were done to change the outcome, will soon be filed!"



The president on Monday took aim at two battleground states and the way officials there ran the elections.



Trump repeated claims that Republican poll watchers were blocked from observing ballot counting in Pennsylvania, whose 20 electoral votes he won in 2016. Trump is trailing challenger Joe Biden in the Keystone State by about 69,000 votes, or 1 percent.



Trump then continued with criticism of Georgia's recount.



"The Fake recount going on in Georgia means nothing because they are not allowing signatures to be looked at and verified. Break the unconstitutional Consent Decree!" he wrote.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Blazor

Not to mention an executive order he made in 2018 about foreign interference in the election. The Dominion machines are owned by a company in Canada and Spain, with servers in Germany (the ones that got raided over the weekend). Since the companies are in a different country, the executive order stands.



It will all come out in the wash.
I've come here to chew bubble gum, and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum.

Anonymous

Prog money bought the election for Biden. I have moved on.

Anonymous

After Losing Election, Trump Had Highest Approval Rating In Seven Months

https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/16/losing-election-trump-highest-approval-rating-seven-months/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2360&pnespid=kutgreNFFAONkGtZBjEmI3MvAExFjEAjUVnYmBPC">https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/16/losi ... AjUVnYmBPC">https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/16/losing-election-trump-highest-approval-rating-seven-months/?utm_source=piano&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2360&pnespid=kutgreNFFAONkGtZBjEmI3MvAExFjEAjUVnYmBPC



a poll from Rasmussen Reports from Nov. 13 showed that the president had a 52 percent approval rating, while receiving a 47 percent disapproval rate.

Joe Biden

I won fair and square. Dead people's votes count just as much as white votes.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Joe Biden" post_id=390725 time=1605587054 user_id=3294
I won fair and square. Dead people's votes count just as much as white votes.

Judging by the four or five people that came to your rallies, dead folks were the only people who don't find you uninspiring.