What They Don’t Tell You About Electric Vehicles

[Anonymous]

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[@realAzhyaAryola]

Did you read that Norway will be the first country to eliminate all gas-operating cars by 2025?

[Anonymous]

Did you read that Norway will be the first country to eliminate all gas-operating cars by 2025?

It's actually low or no emissions.

[@realAzhyaAryola]

Did you read that Norway will be the first country to eliminate all gas-operating cars by 2025?

It's actually low or no emissions.

"From 2025, it will be illegal to sell new petrol or diesel cars in Norway. Various news outlets report that the country's four main political parties have reached an agreement on this radical measure. It would make Norway the first country in the world to completely ban the sale of cars powered by these fossil fuels."



https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/safety//article/norway-ban-new-fossil-fuel-cars-2025?a=FJA05&t%5B0%5D=Tesla&t%5B1%5D=CO2&t%5B2%5D=Fuel&curl=1#:~:text=From%202025%2C%20it%20will%20be,powered%20by%20these%20fossil%20fuels">https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/safety// ... il%20fuels">https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/safety//article/norway-ban-new-fossil-fuel-cars-2025?a=FJA05&t%5B0%5D=Tesla&t%5B1%5D=CO2&t%5B2%5D=Fuel&curl=1#:~:text=From%202025%2C%20it%20will%20be,powered%20by%20these%20fossil%20fuels.

[Anonymous]

I read something a little different than your source.

By 2025 all new cars sold in Norway will be vehicles with low emissions or no emissions of greenhouse gases, as it says in the package with new climate regulation measures presented by Labor Party on Wednesday. By 2030 should almost all new cars be completely emission-free.

https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/5215-norway-to-get-rid-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030">https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/5215 ... rs-by-2030">https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/5215-norway-to-get-rid-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030

[@realAzhyaAryola]

I read something a little different than your source.

By 2025 all new cars sold in Norway will be vehicles with low emissions or no emissions of greenhouse gases, as it says in the package with new climate regulation measures presented by Labor Party on Wednesday. By 2030 should almost all new cars be completely emission-free.

https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/5215-norway-to-get-rid-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030">https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/5215 ... rs-by-2030">https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/5215-norway-to-get-rid-of-petrol-and-diesel-cars-by-2030

Whatever, Shen. So be it.

[Anonymous]

Whether it is 2025 or 2030, I do not believe a cold country like Norway is going to only use electric vehicles.  Even if they do quadruple or more power capabilities.

[@realAzhyaAryola]

Whether it is 2025 or 2030, I do not believe a cold country like Norway is going to only use electric vehicles.  Even if they do quadruple or more power capabilities.

I had my doubts too.

[Anonymous]

Whether it is 2025 or 2030, I do not believe a cold country like Norway is going to only use electric vehicles.  Even if they do quadruple or more power capabilities.

Norway's whole C02 reduction plan is about using carbon credits, using their massive sovereign wealth fund. I expect that they'll still use gas and diesel and then invest in some tree planting scheme in the Amazon jungle and claim their car fleet is carbon neutral or some trickery like that.

[@realAzhyaAryola]

Whether it is 2025 or 2030, I do not believe a cold country like Norway is going to only use electric vehicles.  Even if they do quadruple or more power capabilities.

Norway's whole C02 reduction plan is about using carbon credits, using their massive sovereign wealth fund. I expect that they'll still use gas and diesel and then invest in some tree planting scheme in the Amazon jungle and claim their car fleet is carbon neutral or some trickery like that.

Well then if there is trickery, there is fuckery.  ac_toofunny

[Anonymous]

I find it hard to believe that if the old lady and I go to Norway in just nine short years, there will not be any internal combustion engine vehicles in that country. To quote AA, there will be "fuckery" with how they arrive at zero emissons.

[Anonymous]

The dark red throughout this map of TX wholesale electricity prices means that electricity is selling for $9000 a MWH, which is $9 a KWH. If you had to pay these prices to fill up your 100 KWH Tesla battery, it would cost $900.

Remember this next time you hear "wind is cheap."

[cc]

I understand there are a great many problems in dealing with an electic powered auto, battery disposal, limits on materials to manufacture them etc.

Those are mainly user problems. You buy one, you own it and it's shortcomings



Herman's OP gives many reasons against the concept which add to the stupidity of the entire issue which I will pontificate on as follows



Vehicles Themselves:

What I find unethical & sickening is that govts subsidize them .. first they subsidized research and development or they never would have happened. Second cars themselves are subsidized even today, long after the high cost of startup of new technology.



Certainly anything cannot that pay its own way / support itself within a reasonable time period has no right to exist



Power Grids:

The more of them, the more upgrading of all power lines and related components is required  = further public subsidy on top of the above 2 subsidies by people who gain zero benefit from it. (Subsidy #3)



Users:

As they are costly even for those silly mini death traps, Jore and Jane Public don't buy them  .. yet are subsidizing others with high incomes



My Point Again:

 Certainly anything that cannot pay its own way / support itself without public subsidy within a reasonable time period has no right to exist

[Anonymous]

We just aint got the land, or the natural resources to electrify all cars. It is a prog fantasy.

[cc]

yes, fantasy it is .. and unethical that the public pays to support it



Ultimately, after trillions of $ peed away, the whole thing will come crashing down (for which you posted many further technical and practical reasons)