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Anonymous

Obongo's legacy will be based on this very poorly thought out, but rushed legislation.
QuoteIn its new budget outlook, CBO very clearly states that Obamacare amounts to an implicit tax on work and workers that will reduce employment by as much as 2.5 million jobs over the next ten years.



Here's how the CBO arrives at its new conclusion:



As workers transition from part time work (without benefits) to full time work (with health benefits) many workers will actually lose income in the form of the subsidies that they will have to forgo (and the additional fact that lower wage workers, who are in lower tax brackets, won't benefit as much from the implicit subsidy they will get from the special tax treatment of health benefits bought at work). CBO seems to focus mostly on people who are out of the labor force for a period of time and transitioning back to full time work, which suggest its estimates may be low.



CBO states, in reference to these impacts, that the "exchange subsidies effectively constitute a tax on labor supply for a broad range of workers." CBO focuses mostly on those transitioning to full time work (with benefits). But the same disincentives apply to workers on Obamacare who are already employed full time, and looking to grow their income.



The congressional actuaries go on to state that forgoing Obamacare subsidies and returning to full time work with health benefits (for lower wage and middle class workers) amounts to an average, implicit tax of about 15% paid by each worker. CBO does note that these considerations only affect a segment of the workforce – specifically the middle class and working class who earn annual incomes that put them below 400% of the Federal poverty level (about $95,000 for a family of four). But that represents a large portion of the labor market.



These disincentives can't be easily fixed — they are baked into the structure of the Obamacare subsidies. A refundable tax credit, similar to the one offered in some conservative plans, sidesteps many of these effects.



Equally significant are some points that CBO doesn't get into in its report.



Principal among them is the fact that Obamacare is going to make certain wages sticky as more workers try and stay under certain income ranges in order to maximize their subsidies.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/02/04/cbo-explains-how-obamacare-will-tax-low-wage-workers/">http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottli ... e-workers/">http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlieb/2014/02/04/cbo-explains-how-obamacare-will-tax-low-wage-workers/

cc

Watching O'Care is like watching a slow moving train wreck ... the ultimate classic example of how the govt can fuck up a single car funeral ... let alone something complex



It was sold via lies and each week now another lie is exposed ..... another car goes off the tracks ... The gross incompetence of everyone involved in it becomes more visible every week
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc li tarte"Watching O'Care is like watching a slow moving train wreck ... the ultimate classic example of how the govt can fuck up a single car funeral ... let alone something complex



It was sold via lies and each week now another lie is exposed ..... another car goes off the tracks ... The gross incompetence of everyone involved in it becomes more visible every week

All these big plans Odumbo promised and fiscal responsibility to boot. He's presided over the biggest financial shortfalls in American history while basically abandoning all his hope and change for the people hope he will change.

Odinson

Mohammed Bouyeri was born in netherlands...



I´m telling you that all of these moslims are like sleeper cell agents. They will all turn radical if you push them.



Some stupid ass westerners turn to Islam... Unbelievable..



I guess when you are worthless needy ugly trash, youll do anything to get attention.



Nothing good will come of that... Just another generation of useless assholes...

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc li tarte"Hi Fash. That lady is Ayaan Hirsy Ali. She was a battered wife in Somalia ... escaped to Europe .... got educated ... became a Dutch parliamtarian .... was dropped because of a fib on her refuge papers ... was reinstated  ..... spoke out against islam as a fake LOUDLY ... was threatened ... wrote extremely good books "Infidel" is one I have read ... speaks about islam to large groups exposing the beast islam is ... has been interviewed and debated on TV many times ... lives under threat of death by islam ... is guarded 24/7



An articulate, humorous  and brave woman .... everything islam is against .. She is a beautiful Somali woman



Oh. And she is one of my favorite people on this earth



The picture is the cover pic of I believe her first book, "Infidel"

Thanks Ms. cc li tarte, what a remarkable life she lives..



What a shame she must live like a prisoner..



When I get home tonight I will Google her name..



Thanks again Ms. cc li tarte.

Odinson

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "cc li tarte"Hi Fash. That lady is Ayaan Hirsy Ali. She was a battered wife in Somalia ... escaped to Europe .... got educated ... became a Dutch parliamtarian .... was dropped because of a fib on her refuge papers ... was reinstated  ..... spoke out against islam as a fake LOUDLY ... was threatened ... wrote extremely good books "Infidel" is one I have read ... speaks about islam to large groups exposing the beast islam is ... has been interviewed and debated on TV many times ... lives under threat of death by islam ... is guarded 24/7



An articulate, humorous  and brave woman .... everything islam is against .. She is a beautiful Somali woman



Oh. And she is one of my favorite people on this earth



The picture is the cover pic of I believe her first book, "Infidel"

Thanks Ms. cc li tarte, what a remarkable life she lives..



What a shame she must live like a prisoner..



When I get home tonight I will Google her name..



Thanks again Ms. cc li tarte.


She just has bodyguards with her... Just like a president.

Anonymous

I don't fault Harper, Obama, Cameron or Hollande for running up huge deficits in the middle of the worst financial crisis since the great depression. The consequences of not acting would have been dire. What bothers me about Obama is the great green energy fiascos that have made some of his supporters very wealthy and taxpayers on the hook. It's as if he copied a page from the government of Ontario.

Romero

QuoteObamacare Finally Gives Workers The Freedom Conservatives Demanded



On Tuesday, the Congressional Budget Office projected that The Affordable Care Act will reduce the number of full-time workers by 2.3 million in 2021, leading critics to seize on the claim as evidence that the health care law is undermining job growth.



But that's not what the CBO actually said. In fact, CBO economists write that "[t]he estimated reduction [in labor] stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses' demand for labor." Americans won't be losing their jobs, but people who are only working to maintain access to their employer sponsored health insurance plans will be able to leave the workforce or work fewer hours because they can obtain coverage elsewhere.



That's a goal that prominent Republicans, conservative think tanks and policy analysts have supported for years:



– "A lot of people change their jobs. So the tax benefit should change and go with them, and not be attached to their jobs. We want to address job lock. So, the key question that ought to be addressed in any health care reform legislation, is are we going to continue job lock, or are we going to allow individuals more choice, and portability to fit the 21st century workforce?" [Paul Ryan, 5/20/2009]



– "Today, leaving a job or changing jobs means leav­ing behind the health insurance provided at the place of work. Individuals who wish to take a better job, change careers, or leave the workforce to raise a family or to retire early take substantial risks. [...] Under the McCain plan, which links tax breaks directly to individuals instead of to their place of work, individuals would no longer feel obligated to stay with their employers simply because they need to keep their employer-based health insurance. [Heritage Foundation, 10/15/2008]



– "Of course there are a number of things that I like in health care reform that I'm going to put in place.... I also want individuals to be able to buy insurance, health insurance, on their own as opposed to only being able to get it on a tax advantage basis through their company." [Mitt Romney, 9/9/2012]



– "[T]he employer-based system leads to 'job lock,' whereby people are afraid to leave their jobs if they fall ill on the job, because switching plans could mean higher premiums or denial of coverage." [Avik Roy, former health care adviser to Mitt Romney, 2/7/2012]



As Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) explained in 2008, while rolling out the health care proposal that animated his presidential campaign, "'job lock' reduces opportunities for American workers because they often pass up new jobs for fear of losing their health care coverage." The health care law will start to change that predicament.



http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/04/3249671/obamacare-job-lock/">//http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/04/3249671/obamacare-job-lock/

QuoteConservative Seize On Report To Argue Obamacare Is A Job Killer — But The Author Says They're Wrong



On Wednesday, Congressional Budget Office (CBO) director Doug Elmendorf refuted the claim that the Affordable Care Act is a job killer — a misleading takeaway from his agency's new report that is being touted by Obamacare critics.



Testifying before the House Budget Committee on the CBO's newly released economic projections for the next decade, Elmendorf addressed the report's finding that the Affordable Care Act will reduce the labor participation rate and the total number of hours worked by an equivalent of 2 million jobs in 2017. According to Elmendorf, that statistic is being taken out of context to suggest that Obamacare will eliminate jobs.



Elmendorf also noted that the ACA is actually expected to boost the economy in the near-term by making health insurance and medical care affordable for the poorest Americans, giving them the freedom to spend money in other areas of the economy. "On balance, CBO estimates that the ACA will boost overall demand for goods and services over the next few years," states the report.



http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/05/3252421/elmendorf-debunk-obamacare-job-killer/">//http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/05/3252421/elmendorf-debunk-obamacare-job-killer/

Anonymous

QuoteThinkProgress is a liberal American political blog that "provide a forum that advances progressive ideas and policies".[2] It is an outlet of the Center for American Progress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkProgress">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkProgress


QuoteFunding



The Center for American Progress is classified as a 501(c)(3) organization under U.S. Internal Revenue Code. The institute receives approximately $25 million per year in funding from a variety of sources, including individuals, foundations, and corporations. From 2003 to 2007, the center received about $15 million in grants from 58 foundations. Major individual donors include George Soros, Peter Lewis, Steve Bing, and Herbert M. Sandler. The Center receives undisclosed sums from corporate donors.[5]



Wal-Mart is a major funder of the Center for American Progress, having given at least half a million dollars to the organization. [6] Wal-Mart has been a major backer of Pres Obama's health care legislation, which critics contend would disproportionately drive up costs for Wal-Mart's smaller competitors. [7]



Some open government groups, such as the Sunlight Foundation and the Campaign Legal Center, criticize the Center's failure to disclose its contributors, particularly since it is so influential in appointments to the Obama administration.[8]



CAP has also been funded by the Democracy Alliance.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Center_for_American_Progress">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Ce ... n_Progress">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Center_for_American_Progress

cc

Oh Really?



Not only will Obamacare kill off over 2.3 million jobs but it will reduce wages, too!

Congressional Budget Office (CBO) Director Douglas Elmendorf told a Congressional committee today that Obamacare will reduce workers wages.



"We expect as other analysts believe that over time costs that employers bare for their employees end up being borne by the employee in the form of lower wages."



Terrific.



I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

It's not just the incredibly incompetent O'Care - That will be future pain for workers



Here's what he has already done before O'Care



http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303822204577468750027784434">WSJ - Negative $4,019 - The Obama years have been brutal on middle-class incomes.



He may care, but he sure hasn't done much for them. New income data from the Census Bureau, tabulated by former Census income specialists at the nonpartisan economic consulting firm Sentier Research, reveal that the three-and-a-half years of the Obama Presidency have done enormous harm to middle-class households.



In January 2009, the month President Obama entered the Oval Office and shortly before he signed his stimulus spending bill, median household income was $54,983. By June 2012, it had tumbled to $50,964, adjusted for inflation. (See the chart nearby.) That's $4,019 in lost real income, a little less than a month's income every year.



So. Instead of a 6,000 increase (as per the previous norm (normal raises - price increases etc.) - during 5 years under his flunkies, the net loss for workers is actually $10,000



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I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

CC, the CBO and WSJ are real sources of information. If it is not a Soros funded editorial/blog like tp it just don't count. ;)

cc

I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc li tarte"Hi Fash. That lady is Ayaan Hirsy Ali. She was a battered wife in Somalia ... escaped to Europe .... got educated ... became a Dutch parliamtarian .... was dropped because of a fib on her refuge papers ... was reinstated  ..... spoke out against islam as a fake LOUDLY ... was threatened ... wrote extremely good books "Infidel" is one I have read ... speaks about islam to large groups exposing the beast islam is ... has been interviewed and debated on TV many times ... lives under threat of death by islam ... is guarded 24/7



An articulate, humorous  and brave woman .... everything islam is against .. She is a beautiful Somali woman



Oh. And she is one of my favorite people on this earth



The picture is the cover pic of I believe her first book, "Infidel"

I Googled her name and this is just one thing I saw; In 2005, she was named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.[4] She has also received several awards, including a free speech award from the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten,[5] the Swedish Liberal Party's Democracy Prize,[6] and the Moral Courage Award for commitment to conflict resolution, ethics, and world citizenship.[7] In 2006 she published a memoir. The English translation in 2007 is titled Infidel.[8] As of 2013 Hirsi Ali is a fellow at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, a member of The Future of Diplomacy Project at the Belfer Center, and lives in the United States



I can see why she is one of your favourite people Ms. cc li tarte.

 :)

Odinson

The women here whom date muslims are damaged goods because if you start dating them, you have to deal with the potentially very jealous muslim ex and his brothers.



Well, life would be too easy without women mixing it all up. :D



Always a new wind blowing. Kinda like when our women became whores of the germans during WW2.. Those women were found shot as the germans retreated from Finland. They wouldnt have had it any better here since they would have been condemned for high-treason and executed.



And the historical event where the castle lords daughter opened the gates for swaggy russian officer... The officer betrayed her and led the russian army inside the fortress.

The defenders eventually defeated the russkie invaders and the lord of the castle had his traitor daughter masoned inside the fortress walls.



Her remains have been found and therefore the story is true.



Daughters are rebellious against their fathers and that is why daughters are a handful to raise. Even when older, they still are rebellious.