Fossil Fuels are a Hell of a Lot More Sustainable Than Wind and Solar

[Anonymous]

Maybe this electric car domination will be like all the fuss over Y2K. When it finally came, it was a bellyfop, a dud, like a climax that never came.

You are correct. We can't produce enough electricity now. What do you think 300 million e cars will do power grids.

[Anonymous]

Here's an example why an Electric Car might be incredibly unsafe if it ran out of power or its components were damaged in an attack & there's no combustion engine as a backup:

If a person is gonna go the eco route at very least it should have options and diverse fuel sources.



Even another like propane or natural gas?

[Anonymous]

Here's an example why an Electric Car might be incredibly unsafe if it ran out of power or its components were damaged in an attack & there's no combustion engine as a backup:

If a person is gonna go the eco route at very least it should have options and diverse fuel sources.



Even another like propane or natural gas?

Propane vehicles were a big fail.

[Anonymous]

Here's an example why an Electric Car might be incredibly unsafe if it ran out of power or its components were damaged in an attack & there's no combustion engine as a backup:

If a person is gonna go the eco route at very least it should have options and diverse fuel sources.



Even another like propane or natural gas?

Propane vehicles were a big fail.

No. Thats not the case for commercial vehicles.



Taxis used them a lot and some still might.



I remember seeing propane fillup stations near taxi stations and airports.



But the taxi propane/gas models were largely replaced by hybrids such as the Toyota Prius.

[Anonymous]

Propane vehicles were a big fail.

No. Thats not the case for commercial vehicles.



Taxis used them a lot and some still might.



I remember seeing propane fillup stations near taxi stations and airports.



But the taxi propane/gas models were largely replaced by hybrids such as the Toyota Prius.

Propane vehicles are an explosion risk. Only an idiot would get in one.

[Anonymous]

A petro Canada station at the Vancouver airport has propane fillups:



https://www.petro-canada.ca/en/personal/gas-station-locations/5111-grant-mcconachie-way-richmond



...so 'guest' you obviously dont know what youre talking about.



Make sure you know what youre talking about instead of making uninformed states, 'kay?

[Anonymous]

No. Thats not the case for commercial vehicles.



Taxis used them a lot and some still might.



I remember seeing propane fillup stations near taxi stations and airports.



But the taxi propane/gas models were largely replaced by hybrids such as the Toyota Prius.

Propane vehicles are an explosion risk. Only an idiot would get in one.

Then why do they still have propane fillup stations such as the Vancouver International Airport?



Maybe youre ignorant, dont know youre talking about or plain dumb/uninformed but that is one of the busiest gas stations in Greater Vancouver.



Its where all the taxis go.

[Anonymous]

A petro Canada station at the Vancouver airport has propane fillups:



https://www.petro-canada.ca/en/personal/gas-station-locations/5111-grant-mcconachie-way-richmond



...so 'guest' you obviously dont know what youre talking about.



Make sure you know what youre talking about instead of making uninformed states, 'kay?

The number of propane vehicles in use has declined since its high of nearly 200,000 in 2003.

https://cleancities.energy.gov/files/u/news_events/document/document_url/96/2015_strategic_planning_propane.pdf?c1c5f888fb



There is still the odd station in Winnipeg that sells propane. Most propane vehicles still in existence were built in the nineties.

[Anonymous]

Canada

Back in the early 1990s, about 220,000 propane-powered vehicles motored along Canadian roads. Now, it's fewer than 60,000. Back then, drivers could fill up at one of 5,000 propane stations across the country. They now find fewer than 2,500<e>

https://www.wheels.ca/news/why-has-demand-tanked-for-propane-cars

[@realAzhyaAryola]

Maybe this electric car domination will be like all the fuss over Y2K. When it finally came, it was a bellyfop, a dud, like a climax that never came.

You are correct. We can't produce enough electricity now. What do you think 300 million e cars will do power grids.

100% agreed. On top of that, today, I see Gavin Newsom on TV asking his Californians to turn down their AC and refrain from running big machinery etcetera. What about when everyone has electric cars? Where is all that power going to come from, eh?

[Anonymous]

You are correct. We can't produce enough electricity now. What do you think 300 million e cars will do power grids.

100% agreed. On top of that, today, I see Gavin Newsom on TV asking his Californians to turn down their AC and refrain from running big machinery etcetera. What about when everyone has electric cars? Where is all that power going to come from, eh?

At the same time he announces no new internal combustion engine vehicle sales after 2035. Aint that ironic.

[@realAzhyaAryola]

100% agreed. On top of that, today, I see Gavin Newsom on TV asking his Californians to turn down their AC and refrain from running big machinery etcetera. What about when everyone has electric cars? Where is all that power going to come from, eh?

At the same time he announces no new internal combustion engine vehicle sales after 2035. Aint that ironic.

It is madness. Who buys this bullshit?

[Anonymous]

At the same time he announces no new internal combustion engine vehicle sales after 2035. Aint that ironic.

It is madness. Who buys this bullshit?

Not the average working stiffs in California. They are all moving to Florida and Texas.

[Anonymous]

America's grid is in decline and about to get far worse due to policies that 1) reward unreliable electricity, 2) prematurely shut down coal plants, 3) criminalize nuclear, and 4) force EV use.



America's grid is in decline and about to get far worse due to policies that 1) reward unreliable electricity, 2) prematurely shut down coal plants, 3) criminalize nuclear, and 4) force electric vehicle use.



Here's what's happening and how to fix it.



A reliable grid is a foundation of our quality of life. Our lives depend on ultra-reliable electricity for the refrigerators that preserve our food, the water treatment plants that keep our water drinkable, the air conditioning that keeps us cool, the factories that produce our goods, etc.



Ominously, our grid is in an increasingly fragile state. Not only have we recently had statewide blackouts in California (2020) and Texas (2021), this summer shortages are occurring all around the US.





Federal Energy Regulatory Commission Commissioner Mark Christie puts it bluntly "We're heading for a reliability crisis."¹



The root cause of our grid's reliability problems is simple: America is shutting down too many reliable power plants—plants that can be controlled to produce electricity when needed in the exact quantity needed. And it is attempting to replace them with unreliable solar and wind.



Since at any given time solar and wind can go near zero, using them as replacements for reliable power plants doesn't work. For example, Texas's February 2021 disaster was caused by solar/wind disappearing and inadequate investment in reliable power plants and their weatherization

[Anonymous]

Nationally, as demand has increased over the last 10 years we have seen a decline in reliable capacity (gas, coal, oil, nuclear, hydro, battery storage) by 5%.



Governments need to recognize the reliability crisis and fight it. Instead, they are planning to make the problem far, far worse via policies that will shut down many more reliable power plants while increasing electricity demand.



Our reliability problems are scheduled to get far worse.



Looking at the publicly announced plans of utilities, which are largely determined by government policies, we are scheduled to see many more shutdowns of reliable power plants in favor of unreliable solar/wind.



This year grid operators planned on retiring about 15 GW of reliable capacity and replacing it with only about 12 GW of reliable generation—which has recently become 10 GW as two nuclear units have been delayed until 2023. Every decline in reliable capacity makes the grid worse.⁷



Will batteries make unreliable solar/wind reliable? No. Battery storage is expensive and can only provide a given "capacity" (e.g., 1 GW) for a few hours, and only then if fully charged. Planned batteries are nowhere near enough to compensate for solar and wind's unreliability.



The next 7.5 years are scheduled to be a bloodbath of reliable capacity retirements. There are 93 GW of announced coal plant retirements, plus up to 92 more GW are at risk retiring early due to new Environmental Protection Agency rules. That's almost ⅕ of our already-scarce reliable capacity shut down.⁹



If coal plants will be replaced by plenty of reliable natural gas plants, that would be one thing. But utilities are not planning nearly enough gas plants to offset the likely shutdown of reliable coal plants.