EV's, Reliable Power, et al

[Oerdin]

Very true.  Your wind farms in the Midwest (where they actually do make sense) are going to be spread out all over so you will need perhaps an order of magnitude more transmission lies?  Don't forget to factor in parasitic power lose due to resistance too.  In the 1990's you often heard pothead lefties claiming "solar panels in the southwest could power the entire country all by themselves".  That ignores that you'd lose 99% of the power trying to transmit it to the east coast.



It turns out pot heads are bad at math and engineering.

[Oerdin]

Exactly.  EVe are just garbage at towing.  Which is why no one who tows anything is going to want an electric truck.

That is what I figured. I cannot imagine electric excavators, cranes, front end loaders, and any other heavy equipment ever being electric.

Yep.  I am going with what is cheaper and what actually works.  The only way the WEF types will get this sort of crap to be viable is to outlaw superior and cheaper proven technology.  Which, sadly, seems to be their goal and there is no good reason for it as it doesn't actually reduce cardon or improve the environment.  It is just a cult and facts don't matter to cultists.



Hell, the west could eliminate all emissions and it wouldn't even matter as China already produces more then all of them combined and that is not counting India, the rest of Asia, Africa, etc...  All of their emissions are skyrocketing so why destroy the west's economy and standard of living when it will have no effect?

[Oerdin]

He raise great points.

[DKG]

That is what I figured. I cannot imagine electric excavators, cranes, front end loaders, and any other heavy equipment ever being electric.

Yep.  I am going with what is cheaper and what actually works.  The only way the WEF types will get this sort of crap to be viable is to outlaw superior and cheaper proven technology.  Which, sadly, seems to be their goal and there is no good reason for it as it doesn't actually reduce cardon or improve the environment.  It is just a cult and facts don't matter to cultists.



Hell, the west could eliminate all emissions and it wouldn't even matter as China already produces more then all of them combined and that is not counting India, the rest of Asia, Africa, etc...  All of their emissions are skyrocketing so why destroy the west's economy and standard of living when it will have no effect?

Over eighty percent of new emissions are in the developing world.

[DKG]

He raise great points.

[DKG]

A lot of the US can count on power outahes this summer. You can blame unreliable wind and solar when you are melting in the heat.

[Lokmar]

A lot of the US can count on power outahes this summer. You can blame unreliable wind and solar when you are melting in the heat.

If we simply modernized all our coal fired powerplants, there would be zero need for wind or solar.

[DKG]

A lot of the US can count on power outahes this summer. You can blame unreliable wind and solar when you are melting in the heat.

If we simply modernized all our coal fired powerplants, there would be zero need for wind or solar.

There never was a need for wind and solar. They use a lot more finite resources including land than concentrated energy sources like coal, nuclear and natural gas.

[Lokmar]

If we simply modernized all our coal fired powerplants, there would be zero need for wind or solar.

There never was a need for wind and solar. They use a lot more finite resources including land than concentrated energy sources like coal, nuclear and natural gas.

Yep, and at the end of life, they cant be recycled.

[Herman]

There never was a need for wind and solar. They use a lot more finite resources including land than concentrated energy sources like coal, nuclear and natural gas.

Yep, and at the end of life, they cant be recycled.

To landfills they go.

[DKG]

Toyota is planning an EV (electric vehicle) powered by a solid-state battery that would have a range of nearly 1,200 km (750 miles) and a charge time of only 10 minutes.



"On the vehicle axis, through technologies such as the integration of next-generation batteries and sonic technology, we will achieve a vehicle cruising range of 1,000 km," Toyota said.



Last year, Mercedes-Benz unveiled its long-range 'Vision EQXX' concept car that travelled over 1,000 km on a fully charged battery -- longest-ever distance covered by an EV on a single charge.



According to the automaker, the journey from Germany to the south of France started in cold and rainy conditions and was undertaken at regular road speeds, including prolonged fast-lane cruising at up to 140 kmph.



The automaker plans to go fully electric by 2030, setting a target for half of its global sales to comprise plug-in hybrids and EVs by 2025.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota-1200-km-range-electric-vehicle-10-minute-charging-technology-evs-latest-news-2023-06-14-876031">https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota ... -14-876031">https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota-1200-km-range-electric-vehicle-10-minute-charging-technology-evs-latest-news-2023-06-14-876031



I have my doubts about this. I think it may have such range on a short charge one time. After that the range keeps getting shorter and the charge longer.

[Thiel]

Toyota is planning an EV (electric vehicle) powered by a solid-state battery that would have a range of nearly 1,200 km (750 miles) and a charge time of only 10 minutes.



"On the vehicle axis, through technologies such as the integration of next-generation batteries and sonic technology, we will achieve a vehicle cruising range of 1,000 km," Toyota said.



Last year, Mercedes-Benz unveiled its long-range 'Vision EQXX' concept car that travelled over 1,000 km on a fully charged battery -- longest-ever distance covered by an EV on a single charge.



According to the automaker, the journey from Germany to the south of France started in cold and rainy conditions and was undertaken at regular road speeds, including prolonged fast-lane cruising at up to 140 kmph.



The automaker plans to go fully electric by 2030, setting a target for half of its global sales to comprise plug-in hybrids and EVs by 2025.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota-1200-km-range-electric-vehicle-10-minute-charging-technology-evs-latest-news-2023-06-14-876031">https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota ... -14-876031">https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota-1200-km-range-electric-vehicle-10-minute-charging-technology-evs-latest-news-2023-06-14-876031



I have my doubts about this. I think it may have such range on a short charge one time. After that the range keeps getting shorter and the charge longer.

I would have no problem in a total transition to electric transportation if it was market driven.

[Adolf Oliver Bush]

Toyota is planning an EV (electric vehicle) powered by a solid-state battery that would have a range of nearly 1,200 km (750 miles) and a charge time of only 10 minutes.



"On the vehicle axis, through technologies such as the integration of next-generation batteries and sonic technology, we will achieve a vehicle cruising range of 1,000 km," Toyota said.



Last year, Mercedes-Benz unveiled its long-range 'Vision EQXX' concept car that travelled over 1,000 km on a fully charged battery -- longest-ever distance covered by an EV on a single charge.



According to the automaker, the journey from Germany to the south of France started in cold and rainy conditions and was undertaken at regular road speeds, including prolonged fast-lane cruising at up to 140 kmph.



The automaker plans to go fully electric by 2030, setting a target for half of its global sales to comprise plug-in hybrids and EVs by 2025.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota-1200-km-range-electric-vehicle-10-minute-charging-technology-evs-latest-news-2023-06-14-876031">https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota ... -14-876031">https://www.indiatvnews.com/auto/toyota-1200-km-range-electric-vehicle-10-minute-charging-technology-evs-latest-news-2023-06-14-876031



I have my doubts about this. I think it may have such range on a short charge one time. After that the range keeps getting shorter and the charge longer.

I would have no problem in a total transition to electric transportation if it was market driven.

Me either. It won't be though, I think that's safe to say. Especially not in colder climes where batteries tend to deplete their charge overnight, nor in the freight industry where the power requirements to move multiple tonnage for days at a stretch would see a lot of road trains blowing out their delivery times.



All very well and good for the city-shackled virtue signaling brigade and the assclowns chasing their votes, I'm sure. I'm thinking I could potentially run a hybrid for the non-demanding stuff out where I am, but the technology for EV energy storage is going to have to advance a hell of lot further than it has before I could trust it to deal with any heavy loads I might want to haul about. Add to that the almost total absence of fast charging outlets and the vastly inflated electricity charges (as opposed to diesel and gas) and I predict that there'll be an almost total absence of Mercedes Benz vehicles out this way in the years to come.



Shit cars anyway. If I wanted a European bourgemobile, I'd buy Italian... an Alfa Romeo... with personalised numberplates that read AR-15... just so I could do donuts in the street outside the local Green candidate's place. Because I'm a cunt like that.  ac_biggrin

[DKG]

I would have no problem in a total transition to electric transportation if it was market driven.

Me either. It won't be though, I think that's safe to say. Especially not in colder climes where batteries tend to deplete their charge overnight, nor in the freight industry where the power requirements to move multiple tonnage for days at a stretch would see a lot of road trains blowing out their delivery times.



All very well and good for the city-shackled virtue signaling brigade and the assclowns chasing their votes, I'm sure. I'm thinking I could potentially run a hybrid for the non-demanding stuff out where I am, but the technology for EV energy storage is going to have to advance a hell of lot further than it has before I could trust it to deal with any heavy loads I might want to haul about. Add to that the almost total absence of fast charging outlets and the vastly inflated electricity charges (as opposed to diesel and gas) and I predict that there'll be an almost total absence of Mercedes Benz vehicles out this way in the years to come.



Shit cars anyway. If I wanted a European bourgemobile, I'd buy Italian... an Alfa Romeo... with personalised numberplates that read AR-15... just so I could do donuts in the street outside the local Green candidate's place. Because I'm a cunt like that.  ac_biggrin

It would never happen. The urban virtue signalling champagne socialists believe one size fits all and for everything. It does not.

[Adolf Oliver Bush]

Me either. It won't be though, I think that's safe to say. Especially not in colder climes where batteries tend to deplete their charge overnight, nor in the freight industry where the power requirements to move multiple tonnage for days at a stretch would see a lot of road trains blowing out their delivery times.



All very well and good for the city-shackled virtue signaling brigade and the assclowns chasing their votes, I'm sure. I'm thinking I could potentially run a hybrid for the non-demanding stuff out where I am, but the technology for EV energy storage is going to have to advance a hell of lot further than it has before I could trust it to deal with any heavy loads I might want to haul about. Add to that the almost total absence of fast charging outlets and the vastly inflated electricity charges (as opposed to diesel and gas) and I predict that there'll be an almost total absence of Mercedes Benz vehicles out this way in the years to come.



Shit cars anyway. If I wanted a European bourgemobile, I'd buy Italian... an Alfa Romeo... with personalised numberplates that read AR-15... just so I could do donuts in the street outside the local Green candidate's place. Because I'm a cunt like that.  ac_biggrin

It would never happen. The urban virtue signalling champagne socialists believe one size fits all and for everything. It does not.

You at least understand that it doesn't.