Guaranteed Annual Income...yea or nea

[Obvious Li]

Benjamin Shingler MONTREAL — The Canadian Press



Published Sunday, Jun. 29 2014, 9:39 PM EDT



A group of academics and activists is trying to drum up interest in an ambitious plan to provide every Canadian with a guaranteed minimum level of income — whether or not they have a job.



Rob Rainer, a campaign director for the Basic Income Canada Network, envisions a country where everyone is assured a minimum of $20,000 annually to make ends meet.



"For many of us, we think the goal is no one should be living in poverty," Rainer said at a conference on the issue over the weekend at McGill University.



"That's essentially what we're striving to achieve."



More than 100 speakers and participants were on hand for the conference, which focused on the merits of a guaranteed minimum income that would either replace or exist alongside existing social programs.



The idea is hardly new — the Canadian and Manitoba government conducted an experiment with the issue in the 1970s — but it has enjoyed a resurgence lately.



Switzerland is expected to hold a non-binding referendum this fall on whether to guarantee every citizen an annual income of Cdn $35,900.



And in the United Sates, the idea has supporters on both sides of the political spectrum.



Proponents on the left argue it represents an opportunity for greater redistribution of wealth, while those on the right see it as a chance to cut back on bureaucracy and return control to people's lives.



The two sides disagree, however, on whether there would be accompanying tax hikes and whether other social programs would remain place.



Almaz Zelleke, a professor at New York University, said guaranteed income has rarely had this much attention in the United States since President Richard Nixon tried to introduce such a program for families in the 1960s. That effort was ultimately thwarted by Congress.



At the conference, Zelleke gave a presentation laying out how a guaranteed income could be offset by taxes and work from a practical, fiscal standpoint. But even she admitted it would be a challenge to get such a plan on the agenda in Washington, D.C.



"To be very honest, it's not on the agenda of any mainstream political party in the United States," she said in an interview, but added a recent surge in media attention has, helpfully, "generated discussion among people who understand that there are problems with the welfare state."



In Canada, the town of Dauphin, Man., was famously the subject of a government pilot project where residents were provided with a guaranteed minimum income from 1974-1978.



The goal of the program, which cost $17 million, was to find out whether providing extra money directly to residents below a certain household income level would make for effective social policy.



The community's overall health improved and hospital rates declined during the period, according to a 2010 study by Evelyn Forget, a professor at the University of Manitoba.



Former Conservative senator Hugh Segal, who officially resigned from his post this month, argued for years in favour of the idea, saying it would provide more effective services at a reduced cost.



Quebec's new minister of employment and social solidarity was also once a prominent advocate.



Francois Blais, a former political science professor, published a book in 2002 called "Ending Poverty: A Basic Income for All Canadians," though Philippe Couillard's Liberal government has made no commitments on the issue.



At the federal level, Rainer conceded it's far from the agenda of the current Conservative government, but said there's a "little bit of traction" among opposition parties.



Liberal Party delegates passed two resolutions related to guaranteed minimum income at a meeting in Montreal this year — a move Rainer called "pretty significant."



The Green Party also endorses the notion in its party platform.



"The idea is not new, it's not really radical," Rainer said, pointing out that seniors and families with children receive a form of guaranteed income from the government.



"Where it does become more radical is when you get into the area of the working age population, and the idea that people should receive some income whether they are in the labour market or not. That's a fairly radical idea in our culture, because most of us were brought up to believe that in order to survive you have to work."

[Anonymous]

I don't know where I stand on this issue. Singapore provides direct support to individuals and keeps costs down by eliminating a need for wasteful bureaucracy. If it streamlined or replaced existing programs it seems doable. However, like anything the devil is in the details. How much will it cost and who will pay for it?

[Obvious Li]

i'm sorta leaning towards a yea..if all social programs could be eliminated in favor of a guaranteed annual income then i think that is a step forward......if govt. waste was reduced we could afford this with no increase in taxes.....which is a good thing

[Gary Oak]

I don't know where I stand on this issue. Singapore provides direct support to individuals and keeps costs down by eliminating a need for wasteful bureaucracy. If it streamlined or replaced existing programs it seems doable. However, like anything the devil is in the details. How much will it cost and who will pay for it?

Singapore is a smart country. They would never waste good money on bums. If they are doing it, it is smart.

[Anonymous]

Benjamin Shingler MONTREAL — The Canadian Press



Published Sunday, Jun. 29 2014, 9:39 PM EDT



A group of academics and activists is trying to drum up interest in an ambitious plan to provide every Canadian with a guaranteed minimum level of income — whether or not they have a job.



Rob Rainer, a campaign director for the Basic Income Canada Network, envisions a country where everyone is assured a minimum of $20,000 annually to make ends meet.



"For many of us, we think the goal is no one should be living in poverty," Rainer said at a conference on the issue over the weekend at McGill University.



"That's essentially what we're striving to achieve."



More than 100 speakers and participants were on hand for the conference, which focused on the merits of a guaranteed minimum income that would either replace or exist alongside existing social programs.



The idea is hardly new — the Canadian and Manitoba government conducted an experiment with the issue in the 1970s — but it has enjoyed a resurgence lately.



Switzerland is expected to hold a non-binding referendum this fall on whether to guarantee every citizen an annual income of Cdn $35,900.



And in the United Sates, the idea has supporters on both sides of the political spectrum.



Proponents on the left argue it represents an opportunity for greater redistribution of wealth, while those on the right see it as a chance to cut back on bureaucracy and return control to people's lives.



The two sides disagree, however, on whether there would be accompanying tax hikes and whether other social programs would remain place.



Almaz Zelleke, a professor at New York University, said guaranteed income has rarely had this much attention in the United States since President Richard Nixon tried to introduce such a program for families in the 1960s. That effort was ultimately thwarted by Congress.



At the conference, Zelleke gave a presentation laying out how a guaranteed income could be offset by taxes and work from a practical, fiscal standpoint. But even she admitted it would be a challenge to get such a plan on the agenda in Washington, D.C.



"To be very honest, it's not on the agenda of any mainstream political party in the United States," she said in an interview, but added a recent surge in media attention has, helpfully, "generated discussion among people who understand that there are problems with the welfare state."



In Canada, the town of Dauphin, Man., was famously the subject of a government pilot project where residents were provided with a guaranteed minimum income from 1974-1978.



The goal of the program, which cost $17 million, was to find out whether providing extra money directly to residents below a certain household income level would make for effective social policy.



The community's overall health improved and hospital rates declined during the period, according to a 2010 study by Evelyn Forget, a professor at the University of Manitoba.



Former Conservative senator Hugh Segal, who officially resigned from his post this month, argued for years in favour of the idea, saying it would provide more effective services at a reduced cost.



Quebec's new minister of employment and social solidarity was also once a prominent advocate.



Francois Blais, a former political science professor, published a book in 2002 called "Ending Poverty: A Basic Income for All Canadians," though Philippe Couillard's Liberal government has made no commitments on the issue.



At the federal level, Rainer conceded it's far from the agenda of the current Conservative government, but said there's a "little bit of traction" among opposition parties.



Liberal Party delegates passed two resolutions related to guaranteed minimum income at a meeting in Montreal this year — a move Rainer called "pretty significant."



The Green Party also endorses the notion in its party platform.



"The idea is not new, it's not really radical," Rainer said, pointing out that seniors and families with children receive a form of guaranteed income from the government.



"Where it does become more radical is when you get into the area of the working age population, and the idea that people should receive some income whether they are in the labour market or not. That's a fairly radical idea in our culture, because most of us were brought up to believe that in order to survive you have to work."

This would apply to everyone over the age of 18 Obvious Li?

[Anonymous]

Here is what is in Wikipedia about a guaranteed minimum income, Guaranteed minimum income (GMI) (also called minimum income) is a system[1] of social welfare provision that guarantees that all citizens or families have an income sufficient to live on, provided they meet certain conditions. Eligibility is typically determined by citizenship, a means test, and either availability for the labour market or a willingness to perform community services. The primary goal of a guaranteed minimum income is to combat poverty. If citizenship is the only requirement, the system turns into a universal basic income.



There are so many open questions about eligibility. For example, would an eighteen year old in school living with their parents qualify?



These countries have implemented some form of guaranteed income,

Brazil: Bolsa Familia

Cyprus

Canada: each province is responsible for implementing their program, in Québec it is known as Bien être social or social welfare

Denmark: Social Bistand

Finland: Toimeentulotuki

France

Germany, Liechtenstein, Austria: Sozialhilfe

Iceland: Félagsleg aðstoð

Ireland: Supplementary Welfare Allowance

Luxembourg: revenu minimum garanti (RMG)

Netherlands: algemene bijstand, Wet werk en bijstand[15]

Norway: Stønad til livsopphold

Portugal: Rendimento mínimo garantido

Spain: several schemes exist depending on the region (Renta Básica, Renta Mínima de Inserción, etc...)

Sweden: Socialbidrag

Switzerland: fr:revenu minimal de réinsertion

UK: Income Support

[Anonymous]

Here is what is in Wikipedia about a guaranteed minimum income, Guaranteed minimum income (GMI) (also called minimum income) is a system[1] of social welfare provision that guarantees that all citizens or families have an income sufficient to live on, provided they meet certain conditions. Eligibility is typically determined by citizenship, a means test, and either availability for the labour market or a willingness to perform community services. The primary goal of a guaranteed minimum income is to combat poverty. If citizenship is the only requirement, the system turns into a universal basic income.



There are so many open questions about eligibility. For example, would an eighteen year old in school living with their parents qualify?



These countries have implemented some form of guaranteed income,

Brazil: Bolsa Familia

Cyprus

Canada: each province is responsible for implementing their program, in Québec it is known as Bien être social or social welfare

Denmark: Social Bistand

Finland: Toimeentulotuki

France

Germany, Liechtenstein, Austria: Sozialhilfe

Iceland: Félagsleg aðstoð

Ireland: Supplementary Welfare Allowance

Luxembourg: revenu minimum garanti (RMG)

Netherlands: algemene bijstand, Wet werk en bijstand[15]

Norway: Stønad til livsopphold

Portugal: Rendimento mínimo garantido

Spain: several schemes exist depending on the region (Renta Básica, Renta Mínima de Inserción, etc...)

Sweden: Socialbidrag

Switzerland: fr:revenu minimal de réinsertion

UK: Income Support

I didn't realize so many countries have a guaranteed annual income?



Thank you for posting that, I will read more about it.

[Anonymous]

If you look at a lot of these programs, they are deceiving. Yes, they are part of their  social safety net, but a guaranteed annual income most are not.