Why Western-Style Democracy Sux

[Anonymous]

 ac_rollseyes Yeah I know.



My previous response was meant to be a joke because what I call him isn't nearly as nice.  



Come on Shen, stay with me. ac_toofunny

Well fuck, I try ya know. Our English abilities are not exactly on an even level though.

[Romero]

Your argument holds no water because outside certain southern states, black citizens in the US had full access (no restrictions) to voter registration and the polls.

Why the heck would you think we were discussing only outside certain states? I was talking about full voting rights across the entire country. Sounds like someone knows she's wrong and she's twisting and deflecting!



Time to win this argument once and for all. What great timing!

It's been almost 50 years since the historic civil rights marches in Selma, Alabama, and Congress is ready to celebrate the people who made it possible.



Lawmakers have overwhelmingly passed a bill to award the Congressional Gold Medal to the thousands who marched on Bloody Sunday, Turnaround Tuesday and the final stretch of the 54 miles from Selma to Montgomery -- the movement that served as the catalyst for passage of the landmark 1965 Voting Rights Act.



The bill sailed through the Senate on Thursday with so much support it didn't even get a vote. It passed the House 420-0 earlier this month. The only thing left is for President Barack Obama to sign it into law.



"This bill, I believe, is a fitting honor that recognizes the courage and determination of the civil rights marchers at Selma 50 years ago," Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) declared on the Senate floor. "It was a very historic day, and it marked an alteration in the history of America. It changed an unacceptable abuse of American rights: the right to vote."



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/26/selma-voting-rights-act_n_6764820.html">//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/26/selma-voting-rights-act_n_6764820.html

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[Renee]

 ac_rollseyes Yeah I know.



My previous response was meant to be a joke because what I call him isn't nearly as nice.  



Come on Shen, stay with me. ac_toofunny

Well fuck, I try ya know. Our English abilities are not exactly on an even level though.

Sorry Lucy;.....Oops....I mean Shen; I keep forgetting that.   ac_biggrin

[Renee]

Your argument holds no water because outside certain southern states, black citizens in the US had full access (no restrictions) to voter registration and the polls.

Why the heck would you think we were discussing only outside certain states? I was talking about full voting rights across the entire country. Sounds like someone knows she's wrong and she's twisting and deflecting!



Time to win this argument once and for all. What great timing!

 ac_wtf, You really are an idiot, it's official.ac_toofunny Do you even understand what the 15 Amendment is and how the US Constitution is applied across the entire nation?  Do you understand the difference between constitutional and unconstitutional??????



Your reading comprehension is obviously as bad as it gets. Tell me dipshit, is English your first language?  ac_hithere



If you think you won something you go right a head and give yourself a gold star for stupidity on me. I'll even staple it to your forehead if you want me to.



BTW, I'm still waiting for you to show were the 1965 voters act ADDED or INCREASED the voting rights granted under the 15th Amendment. Until you do that you haven't won anything. Do yourself a favor and learn to read before the next time you flap your yap.

[Romero]

You want more of my win and more of your fail? You got it!

114th CONGRESS



1st Session



H. R. 431



AN ACT



To award a Congressional Gold Medal to the Foot Soldiers who participated in Bloody Sunday, Turnaround Tuesday, or the final Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March in March of 1965, which served as a catalyst for the Voting Rights Act of 1965.



Section 1.Findings



The Congress finds the following:



(1)March 7, 2015, will mark 50 years since the brave Foot Soldiers of the Voting Rights Movement first attempted to march from Selma to Montgomery on Bloody Sunday in protest against the denial of their right to vote, and were brutally assaulted by Alabama state troopers.



(2)Beginning in 1964, members of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee attempted to register African-Americans to vote throughout the state of Alabama.



(3)These efforts were designed to ensure that every American citizen would be able to exercise their constitutional right to vote and have their voices heard.



(4)By December of 1964, many of these efforts remained unsuccessful. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., working with leaders from the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, began to organize protests throughout Alabama.



(5)On March 7, 1965, over 500 voting rights marchers known as Foot Soldiers gathered on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama in peaceful protest of the denial of their most sacred and constitutionally protected right—the right to vote.



(6)Led by John Lewis of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and Rev. Hosea Williams of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, these Foot Soldiers began the march towards the Alabama State Capitol in Montgomery, Alabama.



(7)As the Foot Soldiers crossed the Edmund Pettus Bridge, they were confronted by a wall of Alabama state troopers who brutally attacked and beat them.



(8)Americans across the country witnessed this tragic turn of events as news stations broadcasted the brutality on a day that would be later known as Bloody Sunday.



(9)Two days later on Tuesday, March 9, 1965, nearly 2,500 Foot Soldiers led by Dr. Martin Luther King risked their lives once more and attempted a second peaceful march starting at the Edmund Pettus Bridge. This second attempted march was later known as Turnaround Tuesday.



(10)Fearing for the safety of these Foot Soldiers who received no protection from federal or state authorities during this second march, Dr. King led the marchers to the base of the Edmund Pettus Bridge and stopped. Dr. King kneeled and offered a prayer of solidarity and walked back to the church.



(11)President Lyndon B. Johnson, inspired by the bravery and determination of these Foot Soldiers and the atrocities they endured, announced his plan for a voting rights bill aimed at securing the precious right to vote for all citizens during an address to Congress on March 15, 1965.



(12)On March 17, 1965, one week after Turnaround Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Frank M. Johnson ruled the Foot Soldiers had a First Amendment right to petition the government through peaceful protest, and ordered federal agents to provide full protection to the Foot Soldiers during the Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March.



(13)Judge Johnson's decision overturned Alabama Governor George Wallace's prohibition on the protest due to public safety concerns.



(14)On March 21, 1965, under the court order, the U.S. Army, the federalized Alabama National Guard, and countless federal agents and marshals escorted nearly 8,000 Foot Soldiers from the start of their heroic journey in Selma, Alabama to their safe arrival on the steps of the Alabama State Capitol Building on March 25, 1965.



(15)The extraordinary bravery and sacrifice these Foot Soldiers displayed in pursuit of a peaceful march from Selma to Montgomery brought national attention to the struggle for equal voting rights, and served as the catalyst for Congress to pass the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which President Johnson signed into law on August 6, 1965.



(16)To commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Voting Rights Movement and the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, it is befitting that Congress bestow the highest civilian honor, the Congressional Gold Medal, in 2015, to the Foot Soldiers who participated in Bloody Sunday, Turnaround Tuesday or the final Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March during March of 1965, which served as a catalyst for the Voting Rights Act of 1965.



https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr431/text">//https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr431/text

 ac_smile

[Renee]

You want more of my win and more of your fail? You got it!

114th CONGRESS



1st Session



H. R. 431



AN ACT



To award a Congressional Gold Medal to the Foot Soldiers who participated in Bloody Sunday, Turnaround Tuesday, or the final Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March in March of 1965, which served as a catalyst for the Voting Rights Act of 1965.



Section 1.Findings



The Congress finds the following:



(1)March 7, 2015, will mark 50 years since the brave Foot Soldiers of the Voting Rights Movement first attempted to march from Selma to Montgomery on Bloody Sunday in protest against the denial of their right to vote, and were brutally assaulted by Alabama state troopers.



(2)Beginning in 1964, members of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee attempted to register African-Americans to vote throughout the state of Alabama.



(3)These efforts were designed to ensure that every American citizen would be able to exercise their constitutional right to vote and have their voices heard.



(4)By December of 1964, many of these efforts remained unsuccessful. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., working with leaders from the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, began to organize protests throughout Alabama.



(5)On March 7, 1965, over 500 voting rights marchers known as Foot Soldiers gathered on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama in peaceful protest of the denial of their most sacred and constitutionally protected right—the right to vote.



(6)Led by John Lewis of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and Rev. Hosea Williams of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, these Foot Soldiers began the march towards the Alabama State Capitol in Montgomery, Alabama.



(7)As the Foot Soldiers crossed the Edmund Pettus Bridge, they were confronted by a wall of Alabama state troopers who brutally attacked and beat them.



(8)Americans across the country witnessed this tragic turn of events as news stations broadcasted the brutality on a day that would be later known as Bloody Sunday.



(9)Two days later on Tuesday, March 9, 1965, nearly 2,500 Foot Soldiers led by Dr. Martin Luther King risked their lives once more and attempted a second peaceful march starting at the Edmund Pettus Bridge. This second attempted march was later known as Turnaround Tuesday.



(10)Fearing for the safety of these Foot Soldiers who received no protection from federal or state authorities during this second march, Dr. King led the marchers to the base of the Edmund Pettus Bridge and stopped. Dr. King kneeled and offered a prayer of solidarity and walked back to the church.



(11)President Lyndon B. Johnson, inspired by the bravery and determination of these Foot Soldiers and the atrocities they endured, announced his plan for a voting rights bill aimed at securing the precious right to vote for all citizens during an address to Congress on March 15, 1965.



(12)On March 17, 1965, one week after Turnaround Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Frank M. Johnson ruled the Foot Soldiers had a First Amendment right to petition the government through peaceful protest, and ordered federal agents to provide full protection to the Foot Soldiers during the Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March.



(13)Judge Johnson's decision overturned Alabama Governor George Wallace's prohibition on the protest due to public safety concerns.



(14)On March 21, 1965, under the court order, the U.S. Army, the federalized Alabama National Guard, and countless federal agents and marshals escorted nearly 8,000 Foot Soldiers from the start of their heroic journey in Selma, Alabama to their safe arrival on the steps of the Alabama State Capitol Building on March 25, 1965.



(15)The extraordinary bravery and sacrifice these Foot Soldiers displayed in pursuit of a peaceful march from Selma to Montgomery brought national attention to the struggle for equal voting rights, and served as the catalyst for Congress to pass the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which President Johnson signed into law on August 6, 1965.



(16)To commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Voting Rights Movement and the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, it is befitting that Congress bestow the highest civilian honor, the Congressional Gold Medal, in 2015, to the Foot Soldiers who participated in Bloody Sunday, Turnaround Tuesday or the final Selma to Montgomery Voting Rights March during March of 1965, which served as a catalyst for the Voting Rights Act of 1965.



https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr431/text">//https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr431/text

 ac_smile

Where does any of that say that the voting rights act of 65 added rights, amended rights or increased rights that were already granted under the 15th Amendment?



This is the last time I'm going to ask the question. If you can't answer it, stop grandstanding and just say you can't answer the question.



Nobody will think any less of you because everyone here already knows you are a far left ideological fool. ac_toofunny



Again, NO additional voting rights were granted under the 1965 voter rights act. The act prohibited states and jurisdictions from putting unconstitutional and many times illegal prohibitions in place that prevented blacks and minorities from exercising their rights granted under the 15th Amendment.



 "President Lyndon B. Johnson, himself a southerner, urged Congress on March 15, 1965, to pass legislation "which will make it impossible to thwart the 15th amendment."



"Passed by Congress February 26, 1869, and ratified February 3, 1870, the 15th amendment granted African American men the right to vote."

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=44">http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=44



What don't you get?

[Anonymous]

Renee,



I don't feel like sifting through a shitload of obliqueness. What is Ro saying here? Blacks only earned the legal vote in 1965? Not making voting a birth right will lead to apartheid, the 4th reich or the Canadian caliphate? What's this bullshit about?

[Renee]

Renee,



I don't feel like sifting through a shitload of obliqueness. What is Ro saying here? Blacks only earned the legal vote in 1965? Not making voting a birth right will lead to apartheid, the 4th reich or the Canadian caliphate? What's this bullshit about?

He doesn't understand the difference between the 15th Amendment to the US constitution and the rights granted under the amendment and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.



The 15th Amend was part of the post civil war reconstruction period and it granted all US born black men the right to vote (women of any race couldn't vote back then).



In the 95 years between ratification of the 15th and the voter rights act of 1965 some southern states passed unconstitutional laws barring blacks from registering  to vote unless they could pass literacy tests, pay poll taxes (completely illegal) or were grandfathered in from previous registration.



The 1965 voters act put an end to the unconstitutional practices in the southern states that were activity barring blacks from voting. Romero doesn't get that the voters act did not grant additional rights it only removed the unconstitutional and many times illegal practices that limited the black vote. He thinks that because a few southern states prevented blacks from voting, blacks in the US didn't have full voting rights until 1965 when they indeed did because they were granted under the 15th Amendment. The fact that some southern states unconstitutionally prevented black male citizens from voting doesn't change the fact that they already had the constitutional right to vote. He is too stupid and wrapped up in his liberal semantics to understand the logical and legal realities of the situation.



He also doesn't seem to understand what a constitutional right is. A constitutional right once granted cannot be taken away without amendment to the constitution and subsequent ratification of that amendment. Preventing someone from excising their constitutional right is illegal and can be challenged in court. If you remove the illegal prevention of said rights, it doesn't grant additional rights it just allows for the exercising of the granted right.



Romero is a left wing moron and wants to win a debate on hysterics simply because he THINKS he is right. Unfortunately for him opinion does not trump fact.

[Romero]

"President Lyndon B. Johnson, himself a southerner, urged Congress on March 15, 1965, to pass legislation "which will make it impossible to thwart the 15th amendment."

As in the 15th Amendment was thwarted. As in the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was needed to ensure African Americans and other minorities had full voting rights.

What is Ro saying here? Blacks only earned the legal vote in 1965? Not making voting a birth right will lead to apartheid, the 4th reich or the Canadian caliphate? What's this bullshit about?

The 15th Amendment was supposed to give African Americans full voting rights, but southern states found ways around it with poll taxes, literacy tests, grandfather clauses, removal from electoral rolls, fraud and intimidation. It wasn't until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 put a stop to all that and finally gave African Americans full voting rights.



For some reason, Renee thinks African Americans had full voting rights the whole time even though thousands upon thousands were denied their right to vote over decades.



It's pretty simple. If one is denied their right to vote, they do not have full voting rights.



I can't possibly imagine what Renee thinks Martin Luther King, Jr. and all those Selma marchers were protesting for. Free cigarettes, I guess.

[Renee]

"President Lyndon B. Johnson, himself a southerner, urged Congress on March 15, 1965, to pass legislation "which will make it impossible to thwart the 15th amendment."

As in the 15th Amendment was thwarted. As in the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was needed to ensure African Americans and other minorities had full voting rights.

What is Ro saying here? Blacks only earned the legal vote in 1965? Not making voting a birth right will lead to apartheid, the 4th reich or the Canadian caliphate? What's this bullshit about?

The 15th Amendment was supposed to give African Americans full voting rights, but southern states found ways around it with poll taxes, literacy tests, grandfather clauses, removal from electoral rolls, fraud and intimidation. It wasn't until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 put a stop to all that and finally gave African Americans full voting rights.



For some reason, Renee thinks African Americans had full voting rights the whole time even though thousands upon thousands were denied their right to vote over decades.



It's pretty simple. If one is denied their right to vote, they do not have full voting rights.

That's the hysterical and misinformed logic of someone who doesn't understand constitutional law, constitutional rights, what those rights grant or how they are applied. This is why people like you think you can pass laws like complete gun bans (i.e. Washington DC) and get away with it. Unfortunately for your kind shit like that doesn't hold up in the courts.

I can't possibly imagine what Renee thinks Martin Luther King, Jr. and all those Selma marchers were protesting for. Free cigarettes, I guess.

^ More liberal hysterics.  ac_toofunny

[Anonymous]

Renee has clearly proved that Blacks had the constitutional right to vote long before 1965.



Anyway, birthright citizenship and voting should be abolished.

[Renee]

Renee has clearly proved that Blacks had the constitutional right to vote long before 1965.



Anyway, birthright citizenship and voting should be abolished.

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.



I would be happy if people would just stop voting on the basis of empty promises of "free shit". Nothing is free and it's time people woke up and realized that. This is the first year people who don't have healthcare and didn't sign up for Obamacare will face the first of the tax penalties under the "Affordable Care Act" ac_toofunny.



I can't wait to here the moaning and groaning from the tards that voted for Obama and didn't get their "FREE" healthcare and now have to fork over portions of their tax return to Uncle Sam.  ac_toofunny

[Romero]

Renee has clearly proved that Blacks had the constitutional right to vote long before 1965.

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[Renee]

Romero bases what is legally constitutional on what he sees on protest posters. ac_lmfao



A bigger moron never existed.

[Anonymous]

Romero basis what is legally constitutional on what he sees on protest posters. ac_lmfao



A bigger moron never existed.

That is the height of intellectual laziness. You backed up your argument with the US constitution and the other guy posts the equivalent of porn to evoke emotions.



It's the same fucking thing with these OPEC stooges like Mike Huddema of Greenpeace when they are bashing Canada's oilsands achievements. They so show picture of a 30 year old mine with an upgrader beside it. Unfortunately, this is how far too many people get their "information" these days. Why learn about science or law when all you need to do is cherrypick a misleading image off the net. It's deceitful bubblegum for the mind.