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Biggie Smiles

Quote from: DKG on January 18, 2026, 11:14:53 PMI would not want to live in a theocracy- Christian or Islamic.
I agree. The bible calls for distinct separation between church and state and admonishes believers to hope for a Kingdom not of this world.

whereas, Islam has no such mandate and opts instead to conquer the entire world as it is today and submit it to the will of Allah. Which always translates into whatever selfish and perverse desires those who are at the top of the Caliphate happen to have at the moment.
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Quote from: DKG on January 18, 2026, 11:09:51 PMYour question assumes all Muslims are religious. There are secular Muslims just like there are secular Christians.

Secular means non- religious. Christianity is a religion. Islam is a religion.

How can you be a Christian and be non religious?

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Quote from: DKG on January 18, 2026, 11:09:51 PMYour question assumes all Muslims are religious. There are secular Muslims just like there are secular Christians.

This may be true, but one can never know since Taqiyya is a doctrine that comes right from the pages of their Koran.

You are probably correct that the majority are just secular folks that want to get along ... but you can never know.

Dove

 You cant be a non religious member of a religion

 If you are a Muslim by definition you are religious....Islam is a religion. And a political system.
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Quote from: Dove on January 18, 2026, 11:20:58 PMYou cant be a non religious member of a religion

 If you are a Muslim by definition you are religious....Islam is a religion. And a political system.
how do you explain your average catholic then?
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DKG

Quote from: Dove on January 18, 2026, 11:18:28 PMSecular means non- religious. Christianity is a religion. Islam is a religion.

How can you be a Christian and be non religious?


I'm a nominal Catholic. You can claim Christianity or Islam as your religion and not join a church or mosque or live according to their religious texts.

Dove

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 18, 2026, 11:21:32 PMhow do you explain your average catholic then?

 Non religious people who were baptized as babies and go to mass on holidays are not Catholics just because they say they are lol.

 That still doesnt change what secular means and you cant be a secular, non religious Christian.

 Thats like saying a meat eating vegan. Or an honest liar. Or a conservative communist lol 
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Quote from: DKG on January 18, 2026, 11:21:40 PMI'm a nominal Catholic. You can claim Christianity or Islam as your religion and not join a church or mosque or live according to their religious texts.

 You can claim to be a vegan and eat meat too....but you aren't a vegan and "meat eating vegans" aren't vegan.

 Religion doesnt work like this. People who are in the religion hate this too. Christians call people out for this all the time and warn people like this that if they dont repent and believe sitting in church won't save them.

 Muslims will kill people like this as infidels.

 What im saying is, they may claim it.....but they are not actually a Muslim or a Christain. They are just non-believers who enjoy church as a socail thing or an emotional peace thing.
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Quote from: Dove on January 18, 2026, 11:30:14 PMYou can claim to be a vegan and eat meat too....but you aren't a vegan and "meat eating vegans" aren't vegan.

 Religion doesnt work like this. People who are in the religion hate this too. Christians call people out for this all the time and warn people like this that if they dont repent and believe sitting in church won't save them.

 Muslims will kill people like this as infidels.

 What im saying is, they may claim it.....but they are not actually a Muslim or a Christain. They are just non-believers who enjoy church as a socail thing or an emotional peace thing.

look at Mandami. your average school boy looking secular Muslim who supports trans lunacy etc etc etc

it would take him about 17 seconds to stick the shiv in one of those transtesticle degenerates in his council should a Muslim majority take control of this country
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Dove

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 18, 2026, 11:33:56 PMlook at Mandami. your average school boy looking secular Muslim who supports trans lunacy etc etc etc

it would take him about 17 seconds to stick the shiv in one of those transtesticle degenerates in his council should a Muslim majority take control of this country

 He isnt secular. He is acting within his religion. His goal is assist the progress of Islam and all that is permitted for that purpose. 
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Quote from: Dove on January 18, 2026, 11:35:15 PMHe isnt secular. He is acting within his religion. His goal is assist the progress of Islam and all that is permitted for that purpose. 
yes.. but he appears secular

that's how they ALL operate.

how do you think Ilhan Omar and Raghead Talib justify to their elders their support of such sickening western degeneracy that is libtardism if not  with an assurance of steadfast dedication that it is all part of a greater plan to destroying this beast from within?

you think a Somali warlord Islamic fanatic is in full support of Men playing in womens sports?

hell, they are not even in favor of women being women and you think they are going to honor the gender confusion of some stupid soyboi when they could just as easily behead the idiot and enjoy a good soccer game after?
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Reggie Essent

Quote from: Biggie Smiles on January 18, 2026, 11:40:29 PMyes.. but he appears secular

that's how they ALL operate.

how do you think Ilhan Omar and Raghead Talib justify to their elders their support of such sickening western degeneracy that is libtardism if not  with an assurance of steadfast dedication that it is all part of a greater plan to destroying this beast from within?

you think a Somali warlord Islamic fanatic is in full support of Men playing in womens sports?

hell, they are not even in favor of women being women and you think they are going to honor the gender confusion of some stupid soyboi when they could just as easily behead the idiot and enjoy a good soccer game after?

That encapsulates the concept of Taqiyya very well.

Dove

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DKG

Quote from: Dove on January 18, 2026, 11:30:14 PMYou can claim to be a vegan and eat meat too....but you aren't a vegan and "meat eating vegans" aren't vegan.

 Religion doesnt work like this. People who are in the religion hate this too. Christians call people out for this all the time and warn people like this that if they dont repent and believe sitting in church won't save them.

 Muslims will kill people like this as infidels.

 What im saying is, they may claim it.....but they are not actually a Muslim or a Christain. They are just non-believers who enjoy church as a socail thing or an emotional peace thing.
Secularism is a legitimate. Conducting human affairs based on naturalistic considerations, uninvolved with religion.

People of any religious denomination can support a secular society, or adopt the principles of secularism. Atheists and agnostics do not have a monopoly on secularism.

Dove

Quote from: DKG on Today at 07:39:18 AMSecularism is a legitimate. Conducting human affairs based on naturalistic considerations, uninvolved with religion.

People of any religious denomination can support a secular society, or adopt the principles of secularism. Atheists and agnostics do not have a monopoly on secularism.

 True. But supporting a secular society as a religious person doesn't mean the religious person is secular.

 Secular means non religious. You can be a religious person who understands the value of a secular society. We cant be a free country and force people into a religion and expect them to pretend to believe that religion or have that world view.

 To me what you just said is "lack of belief in God isnt exclusive to those who lack belief in God. People who believe in God also lack belief in God.

 Or "non religious people are religious people as well"

 Religion and secularism are opposite world views.

 Okay wait I think I understand what you are saying. You are saying that religious people can be and often are (in the west at least) in support of a secular society and dont wish to impose a theocracy. Is that it?

 I can agree with that. I wouldn't say that makes them themselves secular. They are religious.

 Christianity isnt intended to rule governments. The west is rooted in Christian principles of liberty and freedom, justice, responsibility. But a Christian government is never even outlined in scripture. What is outlined is the church.

 Islam is a theocracy. The Quran teaches that. Islam even means "Submission" and a Muslim is "one who submits".  Their Quran teaches that absolute peace can only be had when Islam prevails over all enemies of Allah. I believe there are muslims out there who dont really know why they are muslim. They were raised with it as a religion and you pray and do Ramadan and wear hijabs and quote peaceful or moving verses from the Quran.

 But there are plenty as well who follow Islam as it is who practice tayquia (?) And seek to dominate. My daughter has a Quran and she studies it a bit. I taught her how to study the Bible. With what shes taken from the Quran (and then they have the hadiths) she finds what the Quran teaches absolutely terrifying and vile.

 I mean it is full of child rape, carnal male pleasure, dried cum all over clothes, disturbing misogyny and oppression of women. It teaches that women are lower than men and basically cattle. We aren't human beings in Islam. It teaches war, hatred of non muslims as enemies of Allah. How peace can only be brought by destroying the enemies of Allah. Sharia law is foundational to Islam.

 Islam cant be a secular accepting religion. Its rooted in politics and government and dominance.

 If Yahweh is Almighty God, and Jesus Christ is God in flesh who rose from death to save broken humanity, than Allah is Satan. The two faiths are so opposed to eachother than Islam just slaughters Christians wherever they have the power to do so. They call them "people of the book" or "people of the cross".

 I would say they hate the Christians even more than unbelievers because they can try or coerce non-believers. They will force them to pay a tax or join Islam. More likely they'll just kill you. Christians will die for their faith in Christ. They are not easy to sway. And they spread the gospel so Islam views them as direct threats to success of their goals.

 People can somewhat coexist with a variety of beliefs in a secular society and mind their own business for the most part. But when Islam gains power, that changes really fast. They hate western democracies. They hate the constitutional republic that is the US. And their goal is to fool us, gain our support and compassion, take advantage of our good nature and tolerance, breed us out and infiltrate our governments and over throw us.

 They use communist propaganda and marxism to accomplish it. Its chilling how effective it is.

 We can so easily simply look back at Iran, and how the Ayotollah turn a country of millions of persians into an open air prison under the boot of Islam....and somehow it doesn't register to the useful idiots that "oh shit, this is a trap. And we will be the first to die!"

 The mask will fall off when they gain real power. We really underestimate these people. We see them as goat fucking stone age retards who cant do much in any world power country and we are very wrong in that. They are successfully taking over Europe. They are at the back door of Canada and the USA.

 We cant seperate muslims from Islam....and Islam from a power structure. Thats the foundation of their religion. Like real, legit, devoted muslims are following the Quran sincerely and wholly and they want and need people to sympathize with them and see them as peaceful. Its a manipulation and these people are skilled at using our emotions and our good will as weapons against us.
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