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Are Islamic Fundamentalists the 'Morlocks' of Our Time?

Started by J0E, September 14, 2015, 12:35:56 AM

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Many moons ago I read HG Wells classic, the Time Machine, in which a scientist invents a unit which enables him to travel in time to the future or past. During his first adventure, he ends up in England several centuries in the future and encounters a race of beautiful blond race of people called the Eloi. All seems well in their world until it occurs to the scientist that they are the diet of a hideous race of creatures called the Morlocks. The morlocks frequently devour the Eloi, yet the latter is powerless to stop them and they are under the spell of their predators:







It got me thinkin', this sure reminds me of modern day Scandanavia, where a blond race is subjected to terror and rape of its women at the hands of its immigrant Islamic fundamentalist population.







Perhaps Wells subconciously feared the coming of immigrant races flooding into Europe and destroying its culture and people. Anyways, there's a strong parallel between the novel & the situation in Modern Day Europe, particularly Scandanavia.

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But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.

J0E

Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.


Anonymous

Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.

As long as Mary Shelly doesn't badmouth Herman Munster.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.

I'm sorry, I have never known anyone to compare Islamic extremism to a science fiction book..



But, it you want to be one of the first to do that, that's fine.

Renee

Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.


Frank/Joe you have stated some pretty wacky things in the past but this Morlock/Muslim shit tops them all?  :laugh3:



Is this the kind of stuff you spend your day thinking about while you are sitting in your cab? ac_umm
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Frood

Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.


Frank/Joe you have stated some pretty wacky things in the past but this Morlock/Muslim shit tops them all?  :laugh3:



Is this the kind of stuff you spend your day thinking about while you are sitting in your cab? ac_umm


On a 1-10 ratio of the Scott Ritter scale, just how wacky?
Blahhhhhh...

Anonymous

Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.


Frank/Joe you have stated some pretty wacky things in the past but this Morlock/Muslim shit tops them all?  :laugh3:



Is this the kind of stuff you spend your day thinking about while you are sitting in your cab? ac_umm

I don't want to judge Frank, but it's a different way of thinking Renee.

Renee

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.


Frank/Joe you have stated some pretty wacky things in the past but this Morlock/Muslim shit tops them all?  :laugh3:



Is this the kind of stuff you spend your day thinking about while you are sitting in your cab? ac_umm

I don't want to judge Frank, but it's a different way of thinking Renee.


Yeah, it sure is. Tell him to let us  know when the martian tripods get here.  :laugh3:
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Frood

Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.


Frank/Joe you have stated some pretty wacky things in the past but this Morlock/Muslim shit tops them all?  :laugh3:



Is this the kind of stuff you spend your day thinking about while you are sitting in your cab? ac_umm

I don't want to judge Frank, but it's a different way of thinking Renee.


Yeah, it sure is. Tell him to let us  know when the martian tripods get here.  :laugh3:


Was Scott Ritter a part of that?  ac_biggrin
Blahhhhhh...

Renee

Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.


Frank/Joe you have stated some pretty wacky things in the past but this Morlock/Muslim shit tops them all?  :laugh3:



Is this the kind of stuff you spend your day thinking about while you are sitting in your cab? ac_umm


On a 1-10 ratio of the Scott Ritter scale, just how wacky?


Please, lets not elevate Franks musings to that kind of level.
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Renee

Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.


Frank/Joe you have stated some pretty wacky things in the past but this Morlock/Muslim shit tops them all?  :laugh3:



Is this the kind of stuff you spend your day thinking about while you are sitting in your cab? ac_umm

I don't want to judge Frank, but it's a different way of thinking Renee.


Yeah, it sure is. Tell him to let us  know when the martian tripods get here.  :laugh3:


Was Scott Ritter a part of that?  ac_biggrin


Only if they were underaged martians. ac_biggrin
\"A man\'s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box and the cartridge-box.\"

Frederick Douglass, November 15, 1867.


Frood

:laugh:



You're making it hard for me to mount a nastiness on you. Do you really want to push me further, woman?  ac_razz
Blahhhhhh...

J0E

Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Fashionista"But Islamic extremists are here in the present though Frank.


But that's the point.



What HG Wells projected as science fiction around 100 years ago has begun to materialize in the present.



It has some basis in relevance to the times we live in just as the Mary Shelly 19th century novel Frankenstein has for the monstrosities which science would unleash in the 20th century such as the first and second world war.



But where Shelly's novel was concerned about science, Wells' novel had parallels with the society we were about to evolve into.


Frank/Joe you have stated some pretty wacky things in the past but this Morlock/Muslim shit tops them all?  :laugh3:



Is this the kind of stuff you spend your day thinking about while you are sitting in your cab? ac_umm


Given the social tensions in Western Europe today, as it is being overwhelmed with new migrations of refugees from the Middle East, I thought the Time Machine was an appropriate metaphor for this crisis and its impact on the host nations. As the refugees grow in numbers, its extremist element marginalize and gradually push out the Native Europeans to the extent of preying on them, committing acts of violence, murdering them, and raping their women. Essentially, the aggressive migrants devour a peaceful population, seemingly afraid to acknowledge the obvious before it is too late. Hence the analogy of Islamic Extremists with the Morlocks in The Time Machine.



Here's one essay which describes how Wells feared the degeneration of society, and how a segment might one day devolve into savages:



http://www.galtoninstitute.org.uk/Newsletters/GINL0406/language_of_degeneration.htm">http://www.galtoninstitute.org.uk/Newsl ... ration.htm">http://www.galtoninstitute.org.uk/Newsletters/GINL0406/language_of_degeneration.htm


QuoteWells' scientific pessimism is evident in The Time Machine, but becomes fully realised only after the Time Traveller's discovery of the existence of the Morlocks. Before this he is afforded ample opportunity to contemplate the nature of the society he has discovered, and through his hypotheses Wells is able to expound his own Utopian visions. These originate from his reading of Plato's Republic in his youth29 and were developed throughout his life in the Utopian tracts of A Modern Utopia (1905) and Men Like Gods (1923). The Time Traveller's first impression is that he has stumbled upon a futuristic paradise of harmony and balance], while the depiction of the Eloi as clothed in tunics and sandals evokes stock images of Greek Utopia.30



Upon discovering the existence of the Morlocks the tone becomes increasingly negative as the Time Traveller is forced to abandon his Utopian theories.31 Instead, the focus shifts to his contemplation of the degeneration of mankind and its inevitable extinction[/u]
] 'It seemed to me that I had happened upon humanity upon the wane. The ruddy sunset set me thinking of the sunset of mankind.'[/i][p.27] This is made explicit in his later travels into the more distant future, where giant crabs are the dominant species, which are themselves eventually acceded by the grotesque image of some unidentifiable 'thing' hopping fitfully about on the shore [p.76] as the sun begins to atrophy and die. The (probably promotional) article in the Pall Mall Gazette around the time of publication of The Time Machine extends the idea of the extinction of man, drawing parallels with the eventual inheritance of the earth by giant crabs in the novel, to give a doom-laden picture of the extinction of man, and the eventual end of the earth.32 Wells' intention is to expose and undermine man's biological arrogance: 'the excessive egotism of the human animal [is such] that the bare idea of its extinction seems incredible to it' and his smug faith in his assured and continuing dominance: 'No, man's complacent assumption of the future is too confident.' He reiterates the warning contained in his novel, but seems resigned to having it ignored: 'And when the thing [the extinction of man] happens, one may doubt if even then one will get the recognition one deserves.'33 Indeed, most interpreted Wells' work as the reviewer for Nature did - as light entertainment, not as seriously-intended moral allegory: '[The Time Machine] is well worth the attention of the scientific reader, for the reason that it is based so far as possible on scientific data, and while not taking it too seriously, it helps one to get a connected idea of the possible results of the ever-continuing processes of evolution' [my italics].34