Now, here's a surprise...

[J0E]

Thirteen dead.



Twenty wounded.



But the answer is to give them MORE guns!!!

 dude that guy was on 4chan.  You think they buy gus legally?  How are we going to disarm the black market?  It's not guns that's the problem.

Where did the gunman Chris Mercer acquire his weapon(s)?



Was it from a store or on the Black Market?



Was he licensed to own or carry a gun?



I've searched for a story about how Mercer got his guns, but thus far haven't found any information.



Also it would be interesting to know how strict Oregon gun laws are, and if the gun man had abided by them when he made his purchase.

[Bricktop]

This argument about a "black market" is specious.



Yes, there is indeed a "black market" of illegally sold and traded guns.



But would someone in America be so kind as to inform the good folks here where THOSE guns come from?



Is there a "Black Market Gun Factory" that makes guns just for illegal trading?



Renee refers to my previous occupation, without having the respect to credit me with some experience and intelligence in this so called "black market".



ALL guns on the black market are originally sourced from LEGAL owners. There is no gun shop for criminals. Each and every gun was manufactured (in America, usually) and sold and supplied according to their laws. From there, they leech out into the hands of people who should not have them.



The other point to be made is that these mass murders are rarely carried out in the commission of some ulterior crime. Criminals typically do not go into a bank, kill everyone, then take what they can. Mass and serial killers may not have a criminal history, as we have seen.



Take a country with a million people.



There are no guns.



How many will die of gun related deaths? Pretty close to zero.



Now allow citizens to own firearms, and pour 300,000 guns into the country. How many will die now? That is the proportion of guns to population in the US. If we are to believe Renee and the rest of the American bobble heads, the US contains MORE criminals than law abiding citizens, and thus the law abiding citizens must gun up.



They simply do not get it. Their country is a ruin. It has no right to dictate to the rest of the world how they should be governed, whilst 30,000 of its citizens die each year because it does not have the courage, the strength and the will to do what is right.

[Romero]

Year after year, our findings are consistent: States with stricter gun laws and lower rates of gun ownership have some of the lowest overall gun death rates in the county. Conversely, states with lax gun laws and higher rates of gun ownership have the nation's highest gun death rates.



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Oregon falls in the middle, with the 25th-highest gun death rate in 2013, but their rate is still above the national average. And it's important to understand that even the lowest state gun death rates far exceed those of other industrialized nations. For example, in 2011, the gun death rate in the United Kingdom was only 0.23 per 100,000.



As we continue to learn more about this latest mass shooting -- the harrowing details of the attack, the shooter's history and motives, the guns chosen to ensure its lethal outcome -- the underlying reality remains the same: Our nation's weak gun laws and easy access to unmatched firepower allow virtually anyone the ability to carry out such a lethal event. At the same time, the NRA and its financial patrons in the gun industry work to make sure the next mass shooter has all the tools he needs, by promoting and marketing increasingly lethal products designed with the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time available.



The firearms industry can get away with this because guns are the only consumer product the federal government does not regulate for health and safety. Airplanes are regulated by the Federal Aviation Administration, and if a jetliner crashes, we immediately investigate the causes to prevent it from happening again. Food is regulated by the Food and Drug Administration. A food poisoning outbreak prompts authorities to trace the source of the contamination.



Yet when guns are used to shatter lives and communities in mass attacks, we accept it, surrendering to what the National Rifle Association labels the "price of freedom."



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[Bricktop]

"Our nation's weak gun laws and easy access to unmatched firepower allow virtually anyone the ability to carry out such a lethal event. At the same time, the NRA and its financial patrons in the gun industry work to make sure the next mass shooter has all the tools he needs, by promoting and marketing increasingly lethal products designed with the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time available.



The firearms industry can get away with this because guns are the only consumer product the federal government does not regulate for health and safety. Airplanes are regulated by the Federal Aviation Administration, and if a jetliner crashes, we immediately investigate the causes to prevent it from happening again. Food is regulated by the Food and Drug Administration. A food poisoning outbreak prompts authorities to trace the source of the contamination.



Yet when guns are used to shatter lives and communities in mass attacks, we accept it, surrendering to what the National Rifle Association labels the "price of freedom."



How hard is this for these dumbshit yankees to follow??



More guns = more gun deaths.



Less guns = less gun deaths.



Its basic, simple logic. But fear is rarely logical. An American has to have a gun to defend himself and his family.



Why?



Because they guy next door has a gun.



No wonder they fuck up every military exercise they've ever embarked on.

[Anonymous]

It's not legal gun owners responsible for these crimes. In fact no one knows how this shooter even got his weapon. Drugs prove your argument wrong spec. Crack and heroin are both illegal.....I still abused them daily. In fact I can walk a few blocks down and obtain heroin, and a gun, right under the nose of law enforcement if I wanted.  Our government has been trying to disarm us for over a decade.  At this point banning guns wouldn't go down the way you are thinking it will.

[Anonymous]

^Oh FFS, this is the kind of crap Romero would post. It was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but also convey a point. Eliminating gun ownership won't necessarily lower violent crime rates. Also, we see the types of governments that do NOT trust their citizens with guns. A lot of them are pretty fucking scary.

But proper gun control does work. America's lack of gun control proves it.



Funny how you have to use ridiculous examples like Hitler and Stalin. It just goes to show that you can't use real world examples like Canada, Australia, the UK...

That image was meant to be facetious moron. However, Switzerland has a very rate of gun ownership. They rejected more restrictive gun laws via referendum. Is that a country now another South Africa? Hardly.

Getting rid of all guns wouldn't lower violent crime rates? Is that supposed to be a joke comment as well?

Restricting gun ownership is supposed to get rid of guns and thus violent crime? The same way that prohibition eliminated alcohol. ac_lmfao  This is a fucking joke right? Nobody could possibly be that fucking naïve? Maybe you just finished a big fattie before you wrote that.

 It's beyond niave. I seriously don't understand how anyone could even seriously think that.

[RW]

It's not naive if you learn to read :)

[Romero]

It's not legal gun owners responsible for these crimes. In fact no one knows how this shooter even got his weapon.

The shooter had six firearms during the attack. There were another seven firearms found in his apartment.



All of his weapons were obtained legally. A legal gun owner of thirteen guns was responsible for this crime.



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[Frood]

"Our nation's weak gun laws and easy access to unmatched firepower allow virtually anyone the ability to carry out such a lethal event. At the same time, the NRA and its financial patrons in the gun industry work to make sure the next mass shooter has all the tools he needs, by promoting and marketing increasingly lethal products designed with the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time available.



The firearms industry can get away with this because guns are the only consumer product the federal government does not regulate for health and safety. Airplanes are regulated by the Federal Aviation Administration, and if a jetliner crashes, we immediately investigate the causes to prevent it from happening again. Food is regulated by the Food and Drug Administration. A food poisoning outbreak prompts authorities to trace the source of the contamination.



Yet when guns are used to shatter lives and communities in mass attacks, we accept it, surrendering to what the National Rifle Association labels the "price of freedom."



How hard is this for these dumbshit yankees to follow??



More guns = more gun deaths.



Less guns = less gun deaths.



Its basic, simple logic. But fear is rarely logical. An American has to have a gun to defend himself and his family.



Why?



Because they guy next door has a gun.



No wonder they fuck up every military exercise they've ever embarked on.

And in other news, a 15 year old Sydney boy shoots a NSW police employee in the back with a pistol before being gunned down himself.



http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/10/03/03/35/nrl-security-may-be-boosted-after-shooting">http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/1 ... r-shooting">http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/10/03/03/35/nrl-security-may-be-boosted-after-shooting

A teenage gunman who shot dead a NSW police worker outside the force's Sydney headquarters in an attack "linked to terrorism" has reportedly been identified as Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar.



Officially, police have only described the killer as a 15-year-old boy of Iraqi-Kurdish background and born in Iran, and say they won't confirm his identity until "all formalities" have been completed.



A day after the shocking attack which closed down parts of Parramatta, investigators are trying to work out what led to the teen, named in media reports as Jabar, to shoot Curtis Cheng as he left work at the State Crime Command on Friday afternoon.



Mr Cheng had worked for the police finance department for 17 years.



After gunning the 58-year-old down from behind, Jabar continued to fire.



Dressed in a loose-fitting black robe, he was reportedly waving his pistol about and yelling as he moved in front of the police centre before being shot dead by officers.



Commissioner Andrew Scipione says police are still a long way from establishing a full picture of the teen or what motivated him to carry out the "disturbing" attack.



What they do believe, is "that his actions were politically motivated and therefore linked to terrorism".



At this early stage of the investigation, Mr Scipione says they have no information to tie the boy to a specific group.



"There is nothing to suggest he was doing anything but acting alone," he said in Sydney.



The teenager's family have spoken to police and are co-operating.



Mr Scipione said he had been advised the teenager attended a mosque before the shooting but reminded people such attacks were the acts of a small minority.



"Simply because a person is of the Muslim faith doesn't mean they are a terrorist. We shouldn't be treating entire communities like they are all suspects, because that's simply not the case," he said.



He has spoken with Islamic community leaders who have condemned the shooting and offered full support.



Detectives visited the mosque again on Saturday morning, News Corp Australia reports.



Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, who described the shooting as a "cold-blooded murder", echoed the commissioner's comments.



Blaming or vilifying the Muslim community would be utterly counterproductive, he said.



"The Muslim community are our absolutely necessary partners in combating this type of violent extremism," he said.



Mr Scipione remembered Mr Cheng as a "much-loved man" who would be missed and said he was hoping to speak with his family on Saturday.



NSW Premier Mike Baird has expressed his condolences to Mr Cheng's loved ones.



"How can someone so young undertake such a chilling act? It doesn't make sense. It should never have happened," he told the media.



He urged all Australians to not let fear or anger take hold and called for unity.



"This is not a time to point fingers, for anger to reign ... what we have to do is come together and solve it," Mr Baird said.



Mr Scipione said the events of Friday would be taken into consideration with regards to security at the NRL grand final at Homebush on Sunday.



"There will be a very high police presence regardless (but) you may well expect to see higher visibility," he said.



A coronial inquest will be held into the shooting.



Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/10/03/03/35/nrl-security-may-be-boosted-after-shooting#drSTvpRkzB8jyvqZ.99">http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/1 ... B8jyvqZ.99">http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/10/03/03/35/nrl-security-may-be-boosted-after-shooting#drSTvpRkzB8jyvqZ.99

It will be interesting to see where the pistol came from and whether it was legal or not.  

[RW]

He didn't mow down a bunch of students in a school Dove.  He had a "pistol" not a fricken arsenal.  See the difference?

[Renee]

He didn't mow down a bunch of students in a school Dove.  He had a "pistol" not a fricken arsenal.  See the difference?

I don't see the difference. One murder is not less important than 9. Just ask the family members of any murder victim.



Besides unless you believe the Hollywierd bullshit, you can only use one gun at a time. It doesn't matter how many you own. I don't even see where that is relevant in this case.

[Frood]

Please don't mock Spectre's intellect on the current topic matter, Renee. He's an ex copper, so he knows all about walking into someones house for a faux mock inspection of their gun cabinet (aka, look everywhere but the cabinet last) because the address is on the database of registered gun owners and therefore doesn't require a warrant to enter, just a knock, doorbell, or hard shoulder).  



Anyone who wouldn't let him into their home could have been a potential murderer, thief, drug addict, drug grower, child abuser or gulp, repeat jaywalker or local pub lad.



Few people actually stopped and considered that he was often entering a home without due cause or a warrant. That's actually my definition of a burglar or assailant (Someone who busts into your house without a real right to do so, and cases the joint).



Burglars and assailants should be either cut up, hacked, bludgeoned, or shot to death (whatever is handiest). Spectre got lucky. He evaded his Karma, at least for a spell.

[Anonymous]

He didn't mow down a bunch of students in a school Dove.  He had a "pistol" not a fricken arsenal.  See the difference?

 I'm really confused by this comment?

[Anonymous]

It's not naive if you learn to read :)

 So banning guns will cause less violance just like banning drugs caused less addiction.  Got it. The last I checked people don't sit around plotting to do a public shooting but darn it....guns aren't legal. If only guns were legal...I could shoot people.  Makes sense RW. I'm so glad I could read and be told how to think, despite that pesky thing called reality.

[RW]

It's not naive if you learn to read :)

 So banning guns will cause less violance just like banning drugs caused less addiction.  Got it. The last I checked people don't sit around plotting to do a public shooting but darn it....guns aren't legal. If only guns were legal...I could shoot people.  Makes sense RW. I'm so glad I could read and be told how to think, despite that pesky thing called reality.

You're still misquoting me.  



Removing/restricting guns causes less GUN violence.  



Seriously.  Learn to read.