Chinese Miners Already Scamming

[Gary Oak]

The scamming has already commenced. Does Canada really need more of the bullshiite ? We have enough people like Constipator here already.



Chinese miners asked to pay for Canadian jobs

Labour brokers may be charging Chinese miners up to $16,000 for the chance to work in Canadian mines as temporary foreign workers, a CBC investigation has found.



The National visited a prominent recruitment agency in Beijing carrying hidden cameras. Investigators posing as miners learned that workers with minimal mining experience are being offered positions in Canadian gold, copper and potash mines.



Recruiters said that, once working in Canada, miners would be paid no less than $10 per hour. Permanent workers in Canada's underground and surface mines are paid on average $25 to $30 per hour.



Investigators also learned that workers are asked to pay a deposit of several thousand dollars to secure a spot in a Canadian mine. The agency said that the remainder of the $16,000 fee is taken directly from the miner's paycheque until paid in full.



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The recruiters claim that the deduction occurs with the knowledge of the employer, although the agency provided no proof that it was acting on behalf of a specific company or business.



In Canada, it is illegal for employers to charge recruitment fees to temporary foreign workers.



In a written statement to the CBC News, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada explained that "an employer who has requested the services of a recruiter is required to cover all recruitment costs related to the hiring of the temporary foreign worker."



Recruitment agencies a long-time concern



Unscrupulous recruitment agencies have long been one of the most serious issues surrounding the much-criticized foreign workers program, says MP Olivia Chow.



In 2009, as part of a standing committee on citizenship and immigration, Chow co-authored reports that made recommendations as to how Ottawa could better protect a swelling temporary workforce.



There are currently over 300,000 temporary foreign workers in the country, a number that has almost tripled since 2002, according to Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Other, more inclusive CIC figures, show that the number of temporary foreign workers in Canada grew from 186,753 in 2001 to 446,847 in 2011.



The province of Manitoba, which employs 1.6 per cent of the temporary foreign workers in the country, has enacted comprehensive legislation to try to protect its temporary labour force, including fines for inadequate pay and poor working conditions.



A recent change to the federal program has shortened the amount of time it takes to approve foreign temporary visas.



That change was welcomed by British Columbia Construction Association president Manley McLachlan, who sees an immediate skills shortage in a province with an aging population, $240 billion in new construction projects, and low unemployment.



"We need those workers to build the mines and the malls and any other facility so that the folks who are here in Canada have jobs going forward," says McLachlan.



But a program so valued by Canadian business does not adequately protect the welfare of workers, worries Chow.



Her concerns are echoed by Karl Flecker, the director of human rights at the Canadian Labour Congress.



"I would describe the temporary foreign workers program as a corporate-driven public policy," Flecker says. "They are working hand and foot with employers to be able to exploit people."



Kenney defends program



Immigration Minister Jason Kenney dismisses many of the criticisms as myths perpetuated by big labour unions.



In reality, the federal program is one that Canadians should feel proud of, he told CBC News.



"What I have found is people are very happy to have the opportunity to make very decent money in Canada and very happy with the fact that the vast majority of Canadian employers are good, honest and decent people."



But labour activists such as Flecker remain unconvinced.



"We have this long history of importing others for deadly and dangerous dirty work for someone else's profit and I think that most Canadians recognize it's an ugly part of our history," says Flecker. "We don't want to repeat that."

[Romero]

It's the Chinese miners who are being scammed into paying huge illegal recruitment fees. And it's only going to get worse for them.

Premier Christy Clark has decided to kill British Columbia jobs by importing up to 2,000 coal miners from China -- the world's deadliest coal producer.



Prime Minister Stephen Harper has already started signing their temporary foreign workers visas, but will they also be death warrants for some of those miners?



It's the wrong decision in every imaginable way.



And it feels like yet another outbreak of racism against Chinese workers that has plagued British Columbia since the gold rush in the 1860s brought the first wave of labourers from China.



Racism? Yes. Up to 2,000 Chinese temporary foreign workers at as many as four mines with heavy Chinese investment will be paid less than Caucasian or other workers of different ethnic origins in the mining industry.



That's one big reason why they're coming here -- because underground machinery mechanics will be paid $25 to $32 an hour according to one coal company's job ads -- rather than Canadian mining industry rates of up to more than double that.



The Chinese workers will live in isolated camps at the underground mines in northeast B.C., just as in previous centuries.



Like their predecessors in the 1870s who came to work in B.C. coal mines, they will not have a vote in this country.



And like 6,500 Chinese workers brought to Canada to construct the CPR railroad through the mountains from 1880 to 1885 where at least 600 of them died on the job, they will also be doing some of the most dangerous work in the world.



The U.S. Mine Rescue Association says 50,174 coal miners have died in China just between 2001 and 2011, based on official numbers.



The association even keeps a ghoulish China Mine Disaster Watch page online that shows 411 dead and 124 missing so far in 2012 and eight dead and seven missing just in October.



Then there's the sad likelihood of a racially-motivated backlash against these Chinese workers for taking away jobs from Canadians, as the use of other temporary foreign workers as cheap labour has already done.



Clark actually had the nerve to announce one of these metallurgical coal mine projects last November as part of her vaunted "B.C. Jobs Plan" without saying the jobs were mostly for temporary foreign workers, not British Columbians.



"British Columbia is a safe place for Chinese investment," gushed a Clark government news release.



It's safe for Chinese investment but definitely not safe for Chinese workers.



And it's wrong in every way.



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[Romero]

We could easily be training Canadians but the mining company doesn't want to pay decent wages.



It's hard to believe we're going back to the 1800's.

[Romero]

The only reason they're not seeking North Americans is because they want to pay lower wages. It's no coincidence that the Chinese will be paid half as much as North Americans would.



It's not a ridiculous exaggeration. It's actually an understatement. Chinese railroad workers risked their lives for little pay and no rights. The exact same thing is happening to these miners.

[Obvious Li]

We could easily be training Canadians but the mining company doesn't want to pay decent wages.



It's hard to believe we're going back to the 1800's.

That's a ridiculous exaggeration, but it's in the interests of mining companies to have a working partnership with a training organixation the way petroleum operating and service companies do with Enform. I highly doubt Chinese miners have the same regard for safety as Canadian miners do which is a major cost to any employer. I don't know enough about the mining industry, but there has to be other reasons why they are not seeking North American miners with underground experience or to train for working underground.

yes..i watched a segment on the National (homys favorite channel) on the mine at Tumbler Ridge....thye interviewed some of the miners....said they were getting $32/hr......sounds pretty good to me...also said they are looking for chinese girlfriends here......guess there are none back home.....the real reason they are hired is because the local union slugs are just too stupid and lazy....when will these dumb union fucks learn....

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY...IT IS ABOUT GETTING THE JOB DONE RELIABLY AND DEPENDABLY....WHITE UNION LOSERS JUST CANNOT BRING THEMSELVES TO DO THAT...SO EMPLOYERS NEED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND HIRE WORKERS WHO CAN......

[Gary Oak]

The point I was trying to show you clueless rubes is that there is criminal organisationi involvement. Do we really need more criminal organisation  associates in Canada ?

[Gary Oak]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners-asked-pay-canadian-jobs-034126608.html">http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners ... 26608.html">http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners-asked-pay-canadian-jobs-034126608.html



    Take a look at this video.

[Anonymous]

The scamming has already commenced. Does Canada really need more of the bullshiite ? We have enough people like Constipator here already.



Chinese miners asked to pay for Canadian jobs

Labour brokers may be charging Chinese miners up to $16,000 for the chance to work in Canadian mines as temporary foreign workers, a CBC investigation has found.



The National visited a prominent recruitment agency in Beijing carrying hidden cameras. Investigators posing as miners learned that workers with minimal mining experience are being offered positions in Canadian gold, copper and potash mines.



Recruiters said that, once working in Canada, miners would be paid no less than $10 per hour. Permanent workers in Canada's underground and surface mines are paid on average $25 to $30 per hour.



Investigators also learned that workers are asked to pay a deposit of several thousand dollars to secure a spot in a Canadian mine. The agency said that the remainder of the $16,000 fee is taken directly from the miner's paycheque until paid in full.



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The recruiters claim that the deduction occurs with the knowledge of the employer, although the agency provided no proof that it was acting on behalf of a specific company or business.



In Canada, it is illegal for employers to charge recruitment fees to temporary foreign workers.



In a written statement to the CBC News, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada explained that "an employer who has requested the services of a recruiter is required to cover all recruitment costs related to the hiring of the temporary foreign worker."



Recruitment agencies a long-time concern



Unscrupulous recruitment agencies have long been one of the most serious issues surrounding the much-criticized foreign workers program, says MP Olivia Chow.



In 2009, as part of a standing committee on citizenship and immigration, Chow co-authored reports that made recommendations as to how Ottawa could better protect a swelling temporary workforce.



There are currently over 300,000 temporary foreign workers in the country, a number that has almost tripled since 2002, according to Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Other, more inclusive CIC figures, show that the number of temporary foreign workers in Canada grew from 186,753 in 2001 to 446,847 in 2011.



The province of Manitoba, which employs 1.6 per cent of the temporary foreign workers in the country, has enacted comprehensive legislation to try to protect its temporary labour force, including fines for inadequate pay and poor working conditions.



A recent change to the federal program has shortened the amount of time it takes to approve foreign temporary visas.



That change was welcomed by British Columbia Construction Association president Manley McLachlan, who sees an immediate skills shortage in a province with an aging population, $240 billion in new construction projects, and low unemployment.



"We need those workers to build the mines and the malls and any other facility so that the folks who are here in Canada have jobs going forward," says McLachlan.



But a program so valued by Canadian business does not adequately protect the welfare of workers, worries Chow.



Her concerns are echoed by Karl Flecker, the director of human rights at the Canadian Labour Congress.



"I would describe the temporary foreign workers program as a corporate-driven public policy," Flecker says. "They are working hand and foot with employers to be able to exploit people."



Kenney defends program



Immigration Minister Jason Kenney dismisses many of the criticisms as myths perpetuated by big labour unions.



In reality, the federal program is one that Canadians should feel proud of, he told CBC News.



"What I have found is people are very happy to have the opportunity to make very decent money in Canada and very happy with the fact that the vast majority of Canadian employers are good, honest and decent people."



But labour activists such as Flecker remain unconvinced.



"We have this long history of importing others for deadly and dangerous dirty work for someone else's profit and I think that most Canadians recognize it's an ugly part of our history," says Flecker. "We don't want to repeat that."

I feel sorry for the Chinese miners who are being ripped-off and for Canadians who might want to work in the mines.

[Gary Oak]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners-asked-pay-canadian-jobs-034126608.html">http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners ... 26608.html">http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners-asked-pay-canadian-jobs-034126608.html



    Take a look at this video.

   They are already jum[ping at the chance to start abusing the system. This should be enough of a warning. China wants Canada and not just it's resources. As former CSIS head Fadden said there is always a military connection to anything China does. China has the worst track record for mining safety in the world. This isn't just about the chinese owner who has taken oaths and rituals which I have detailed in that oath with FAN QING FU MING trying to get cheap labour, he is gauranteed to have other tricks up his sleeve. As he is most certainly a Hong Men  member he also would be a sworn brother of China's top military personell and top chinese mafia members all over the world. Now hopefully Harper won't sell us out again as he did with the Nexen deal and hopefully common sense will prevail.



   Now last but not least, notice how our friends Instigator, Hornung Zetsu are all quiet when it comes to the topic of wether or not These two deals are good for Canada or not. It seems to me that they support these moves against Canada by China just as the filipino chinese support China's taking islands away from the Philippines that allowed them to immigrate so they could live a better life.

[Obvious Li]

The scamming has already commenced. Does Canada really need more of the bullshiite ? We have enough people like Constipator here already.



Chinese miners asked to pay for Canadian jobs

Labour brokers may be charging Chinese miners up to $16,000 for the chance to work in Canadian mines as temporary foreign workers, a CBC investigation has found.



The National visited a prominent recruitment agency in Beijing carrying hidden cameras. Investigators posing as miners learned that workers with minimal mining experience are being offered positions in Canadian gold, copper and potash mines.



Recruiters said that, once working in Canada, miners would be paid no less than $10 per hour. Permanent workers in Canada's underground and surface mines are paid on average $25 to $30 per hour.



Investigators also learned that workers are asked to pay a deposit of several thousand dollars to secure a spot in a Canadian mine. The agency said that the remainder of the $16,000 fee is taken directly from the miner's paycheque until paid in full.



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The recruiters claim that the deduction occurs with the knowledge of the employer, although the agency provided no proof that it was acting on behalf of a specific company or business.



In Canada, it is illegal for employers to charge recruitment fees to temporary foreign workers.



In a written statement to the CBC News, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada explained that "an employer who has requested the services of a recruiter is required to cover all recruitment costs related to the hiring of the temporary foreign worker."



Recruitment agencies a long-time concern



Unscrupulous recruitment agencies have long been one of the most serious issues surrounding the much-criticized foreign workers program, says MP Olivia Chow.



In 2009, as part of a standing committee on citizenship and immigration, Chow co-authored reports that made recommendations as to how Ottawa could better protect a swelling temporary workforce.



There are currently over 300,000 temporary foreign workers in the country, a number that has almost tripled since 2002, according to Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Other, more inclusive CIC figures, show that the number of temporary foreign workers in Canada grew from 186,753 in 2001 to 446,847 in 2011.



The province of Manitoba, which employs 1.6 per cent of the temporary foreign workers in the country, has enacted comprehensive legislation to try to protect its temporary labour force, including fines for inadequate pay and poor working conditions.



A recent change to the federal program has shortened the amount of time it takes to approve foreign temporary visas.



That change was welcomed by British Columbia Construction Association president Manley McLachlan, who sees an immediate skills shortage in a province with an aging population, $240 billion in new construction projects, and low unemployment.



"We need those workers to build the mines and the malls and any other facility so that the folks who are here in Canada have jobs going forward," says McLachlan.



But a program so valued by Canadian business does not adequately protect the welfare of workers, worries Chow.



Her concerns are echoed by Karl Flecker, the director of human rights at the Canadian Labour Congress.



"I would describe the temporary foreign workers program as a corporate-driven public policy," Flecker says. "They are working hand and foot with employers to be able to exploit people."



Kenney defends program



Immigration Minister Jason Kenney dismisses many of the criticisms as myths perpetuated by big labour unions.



In reality, the federal program is one that Canadians should feel proud of, he told CBC News.



"What I have found is people are very happy to have the opportunity to make very decent money in Canada and very happy with the fact that the vast majority of Canadian employers are good, honest and decent people."



But labour activists such as Flecker remain unconvinced.



"We have this long history of importing others for deadly and dangerous dirty work for someone else's profit and I think that most Canadians recognize it's an ugly part of our history," says Flecker. "We don't want to repeat that."

I feel sorry for the Chinese miners who are being ripped-off and for Canadians who might want to work in the mines.

[/b]





sorry Fash..they tried that......unfortunately the unions  held up the process and refused to apply for the jobs..until of course they heard the company was bringing in foreign workers......now the union thug bosses are whining because the company called their bluff.....well they can fuck off and die...the game is on and they will lose...as they should.....until the union movement is destroyed in this country we will never achieve greatness

[Anonymous]

The scamming has already commenced. Does Canada really need more of the bullshiite ? We have enough people like Constipator here already.



Chinese miners asked to pay for Canadian jobs

Labour brokers may be charging Chinese miners up to $16,000 for the chance to work in Canadian mines as temporary foreign workers, a CBC investigation has found.



The National visited a prominent recruitment agency in Beijing carrying hidden cameras. Investigators posing as miners learned that workers with minimal mining experience are being offered positions in Canadian gold, copper and potash mines.



Recruiters said that, once working in Canada, miners would be paid no less than $10 per hour. Permanent workers in Canada's underground and surface mines are paid on average $25 to $30 per hour.



Investigators also learned that workers are asked to pay a deposit of several thousand dollars to secure a spot in a Canadian mine. The agency said that the remainder of the $16,000 fee is taken directly from the miner's paycheque until paid in full.



Top newsKate hoax radio station may have broken law

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Teachers die in car accident

Man tells story of 23-day ordeal in woods

Confessed serial killer researched Ted Bundy

Group alleges 'extreme cruelty' at Manitoba hog farm

The recruiters claim that the deduction occurs with the knowledge of the employer, although the agency provided no proof that it was acting on behalf of a specific company or business.



In Canada, it is illegal for employers to charge recruitment fees to temporary foreign workers.



In a written statement to the CBC News, Human Resources and Skills Development Canada explained that "an employer who has requested the services of a recruiter is required to cover all recruitment costs related to the hiring of the temporary foreign worker."



Recruitment agencies a long-time concern



Unscrupulous recruitment agencies have long been one of the most serious issues surrounding the much-criticized foreign workers program, says MP Olivia Chow.



In 2009, as part of a standing committee on citizenship and immigration, Chow co-authored reports that made recommendations as to how Ottawa could better protect a swelling temporary workforce.



There are currently over 300,000 temporary foreign workers in the country, a number that has almost tripled since 2002, according to Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Other, more inclusive CIC figures, show that the number of temporary foreign workers in Canada grew from 186,753 in 2001 to 446,847 in 2011.



The province of Manitoba, which employs 1.6 per cent of the temporary foreign workers in the country, has enacted comprehensive legislation to try to protect its temporary labour force, including fines for inadequate pay and poor working conditions.



A recent change to the federal program has shortened the amount of time it takes to approve foreign temporary visas.



That change was welcomed by British Columbia Construction Association president Manley McLachlan, who sees an immediate skills shortage in a province with an aging population, $240 billion in new construction projects, and low unemployment.



"We need those workers to build the mines and the malls and any other facility so that the folks who are here in Canada have jobs going forward," says McLachlan.



But a program so valued by Canadian business does not adequately protect the welfare of workers, worries Chow.



Her concerns are echoed by Karl Flecker, the director of human rights at the Canadian Labour Congress.



"I would describe the temporary foreign workers program as a corporate-driven public policy," Flecker says. "They are working hand and foot with employers to be able to exploit people."



Kenney defends program



Immigration Minister Jason Kenney dismisses many of the criticisms as myths perpetuated by big labour unions.



In reality, the federal program is one that Canadians should feel proud of, he told CBC News.



"What I have found is people are very happy to have the opportunity to make very decent money in Canada and very happy with the fact that the vast majority of Canadian employers are good, honest and decent people."



But labour activists such as Flecker remain unconvinced.



"We have this long history of importing others for deadly and dangerous dirty work for someone else's profit and I think that most Canadians recognize it's an ugly part of our history," says Flecker. "We don't want to repeat that."

I feel sorry for the Chinese miners who are being ripped-off and for Canadians who might want to work in the mines.

[/b]





sorry Fash..they tried that......unfortunately the unions  held up the process and refused to apply for the jobs..until of course they heard the company was bringing in foreign workers......now the union thug bosses are whining because the company called their bluff.....well they can fuck off and die...the game is on and they will lose...as they should.....until the union movement is destroyed in this country we will never achieve greatness

Do you mean the company's tried hiring workers, but couldn't unless they were unionized?



If that is what happened, I'm only hearing half of the story.

[Gary Oak]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners-asked-pay-canadian-jobs-034126608.html">http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners ... 26608.html">http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chinese-miners-asked-pay-canadian-jobs-034126608.html



    Take a look at this video.

   They are already jum[ping at the chance to start abusing the system. This should be enough of a warning. China wants Canada and not just it's resources. As former CSIS head Fadden said there is always a military connection to anything China does. China has the worst track record for mining safety in the world. This isn't just about the chinese owner who has taken oaths and rituals which I have detailed in that oath with FAN QING FU MING trying to get cheap labour, he is gauranteed to have other tricks up his sleeve. As he is most certainly a Hong Men  member he also would be a sworn brother of China's top military personell and top chinese mafia members all over the world. Now hopefully Harper won't sell us out again as he did with the Nexen deal and hopefully common sense will prevail.



   Now last but not least, notice how our friends Instigator, Hornung Zetsu are all quiet when it comes to the topic of wether or not These two deals are good for Canada or not. It seems to me that they support these moves against Canada by China just as the filipino chinese support China's taking islands away from the Philippines that allowed them to immigrate so they could live a better life.

     Are you guys trying to bury this post ? You post the large article time and time again and then only write a sentence or two.

[Romero]

Nobody is trying to bury your post. We've been reposting the article because we're interested in it. You've brought good discussion into this issue.



But this isn't about China wanting Canada, CSIS or the oath. It's about the same greed and exploitation we saw back in the 1800's.



In this case a handful of Chinese and Canadians want to make some big bucks off of our resources. It's that simple. There's no taking over Canada and secret oaths. It's just about the money, as usual.



The real conspiracy is our provincial and federal governments being so complicit. They're the ones pushing for it while having the audacity to call it a "jobs plan". As if taking away jobs, lowering wages and rights is a job plan. Our neoliberal BC Liberals and neoconservative Conservatives are not only letting this happen, they want it to happen. They're making it happen. Quick bucks and "trade" real fast. Christie and Harper are selling us out big time and you know it.



These miners aren't some fifth column. They're the same good people who have always come from China and around the world to better our country, themselves and their families. Unfortunately they won't get the same chance we Canadians and other Canadian immigrants have had.



1800's style exploitation is making a big comeback. There are now over three to four hundred thousand temporary foreign workers in Canada. Their bosses, Chinese or Canadian or otherwise, want to party like it's 1899 again.

[Gary Oak]

It is an unsolved mystery how Romero can be so utterly clueless and live :?:

[Romero]

You're confused. The mining company is being greedy. It's bringing in cheap labour from China because it doesn't want to pay decent wages or worry about those pesky safety standards. Unions and labour are fighting against this return to the 1800's.