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Started by Anonymous, June 09, 2016, 05:09:33 PM

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Anonymous

^Save for El Nino, there has been negligible warming for some time now.



http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/cooper-isis-and-paris-climate-change-conference-share-something-in-common">http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/column ... -in-common">http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/cooper-isis-and-paris-climate-change-conference-share-something-in-common

Here, reality is even more in contradiction to the fantasies of the alarmists. Since February 1997, about a third of human influence on climate since the Industrial Revolution has occurred. For the past 225 months — for 18 years and nine months — no change has occurred in monthly global mean surface temperature.



The notorious pause goes on. And it goes on no matter what the delegates to COP21, or the computer models programmed to run hot, say.



http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/09/former-ipcc-chairman-global-warming-not-linked-to-record-breaking-el-nino/">http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/09/forme ... g-el-nino/">http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/09/former-ipcc-chairman-global-warming-not-linked-to-record-breaking-el-nino/

A former United Nations climate scientist has told a Malaysian news outlet that there's no evidence man-made global warming was behind the incredibly strong El Niño that was a major force behind the record warmth experienced in 2015.



"There is no conclusive evidence that the occurrence of El Niño (frequency and intensity) is influenced by climate change," Dr. Fredolin Tangang, a climatologist at the University Kebangsaan Malaysia. who also served as vice-chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) from 2008 to 2015, told the new site Malaysiakini.

Romero

Why would you refuse to believe NASA and NOAA, the experts who are actually recording the temperatures?


QuoteParis, 12 December 2015 - An historic agreement to combat climate change and unleash actions and investment towards a low carbon, resilient and sustainable future was agreed by 195 nations in Paris today.



The Paris Agreement for the first time brings all nations into a common cause based on their historic, current and future responsibilities.



The universal agreement's main aim is to keep a global temperature rise this century well below 2 degrees Celsius and to drive efforts to limit the temperature increase even further to 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels.



The 1.5 degree Celsius limit is a significantly safer defense line against the worst impacts of a changing climate.



Additionally, the agreement aims to strengthen the ability to deal with the impacts of climate change.



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Every single recognized country on Earth. And it's not just leaders like Trudeau and Obama being political. Every recognized country in the world has signed the agreement based on their top scientific and meteorological agency findings. Is 100% enough of a consensus?



"I'm out of cash this week. Can I borrow $100?"



"I've got $97 on me and you don't have to pay it back."



"Don't bother. I wan't $100, not a lousy $97."

Romero

QuoteKorea Meteorological Administration



The anthropogenic effect on increasing greenhouse gases related to industrialization is considered as a major driving force of climate change, particularly in the last several decades. The greenhouse gases and aerosols produced by human activities affect the radiation balance of the earth and result in global climate change.



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Anonymous

Romero, don't get your panties in a bunch. The Seoul brother is not saying it did not warm in 2015. He is saying that the culprit is El Nino and he is basing it on what a number of scientists have said too.



This appeared in the British Express:



A leading scientist has dispelled claims it has anything to do with human activity, saying it is simply a natural phenomenon which occurs roughly every 20-years in the form of El Nino.



Dr Benny Peiser, director of the Global Warming Policy Foundation, said the El Niño weather pattern pushes up temperatures globally and is followed by La Nina which brings temperatures back down again.



He said: "This El Niño is similar to the strong 1998 El Niño where temperatures rose globally.



"It's always the same, it's nothing to do with global warming, it's a natural event.



"An El Niño is always followed by a La Niña cycle which has a cooling effect - and it doesn't mean next year or the year after will be warmer."



The Met Office have acknowledged the affect of El Nino on warming, and have warned if temperatures remain as predicted, 2015 will be the first year to breach pre-industrial levels.



Some researchers have questioned the reliability of the temperature levels used in the 1750s, when the industrial revolution began and fossil fuels became widely used, meaning it is almost impossible to determine an accurate assessment of how much the world has warmed.



What this thread has shown is that there is a variety of opinion among scientists regarding the extent man affects climate, if it is within historic norms and the greatest divergence of opinion of course is what the future holds.

Romero

QuoteThe risk of climate change is clear and the risk warrants action. Increasing carbon emissions in the atmosphere are having a warming effect. There is a broad scientific and policy consensus that action must be taken to further quantify and assess the risks.



ExxonMobil is taking action by reducing greenhouse gas emissions in its operations, helping consumers reduce their emissions, supporting research that leads to technology breakthroughs and participating in constructive dialogue on policy options.



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Anonymous

Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Herman"This book is written by climate experts. I guess they didn't consult with Romero before writing their findings.

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That is an informative book.



There is no survey or study showing "consensus" on the most important scientific issues, despite frequent claims by advocates to the contrary. No where is it more obvious there are many different beliefs on global warming within the scientific community than when it comes to computer modelling used to predict the future.The results of the global climate models (GCMs) relied on by IPCC are only as reliable as the data and theories "fed" into them. A lot of climate scientists agree those data are seriously deficient and IPCC's estimate for climate sensitivity to CO2 is too high.



I believe that the climate has warmed a little and man has likely contributed to it. But, I also agree with many scientists that beyond that we really don't know what the future holds. This does not even take into the sun. The recently quiet Sun and extrapolation of solar cycle patterns into the future suggest a planetary cooling may occur over the next few decades.

So, the only consensus among scientists is that some kind of consensus exists. What exactly the consensus is up to the individual or the organization.