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Gary Oak

That's the plan. Also part of this multi pronged approach to taking over is to get a far higher number of them in thus making for a far more powerful voting block. If they could get 40 million chinese in then we would have a prime minister whose loyalty is to China. But any increase in Chinese people here is an increase in their voting power, an increase in their allies against the people they want to take over. [the FAN QING FU MING thread explains part of this plan ]



   If all businesses are in their control then all the workers are under them as well. They like living under white people however at the same time they want to take over and have us under them.If you go over their oaths and rituals and know that as the MING dynasty represents han chinese and that the QING dynasty represents the nonchinese that let them into which ever country that they have immigrated to then you realise that they want revenge against us too. Kill the QING, extirminate the QING,destroy the QING etc.... is all in there. Not knowing that the QING represent nonchinese thenit is very odd when you go over their oaths and rituals that they are mostly to do with doing ill towards the QING. The QING were nomadic tribes much like the Mongolians and were considered FOREIGN uncivilised barbarians. What do they call us in cantonese ? LO FAN ? LO mean man and this FAN means FOREIGN uncivilised barbarian. To test if FAN is derogatory try calling them WONG FAN as WONG means yellow and look into their eyes and see their reaction. They also call us GWAILO and as GWAI means devil it means devil man. Black peopel are HAK GWAI with HAK meaning black. Try calling one WING GWAI and look at the anger in their eyes. I did the other day when one called me a GWAILO. I told him that if he doesn't like Canadians he can go back to China and work the rice fields.


Quote from: "Obvious Li"not much for conspiracy theories however consider the following anecdotal comments....



1. 20 years ago you would be hard pressed to find an asian face in small town alta/sask (except the local chinese cafe).....today you would be challenged to find a quicky mart/corner store/gas bar not owned by asians...even in small towns of a couple hundred people...they now own most of the small businesses across wide swaths of the country....what will it look like 20 years hence ?????



2. the recent reports of chinese buying up vast tracts of farmland across the praries to produce raw  food stocks destined to be shipped directly to the motherland for processing and sale at home.......what happens when the majority of the food being grown in the Canadian agricultural heartland is being shipped directly overseas....what do we eat ????



3. Massive asian ownership of canada's oil industry with one purpose...to ship raw crude home for processing and sale in the motherland.......at what point do chinese companies start bringing chinese labor with them under treaty provisions negotiated in some grand free trade arrangement....what happens to canadian jobs on canadian soil ??????



4. Asian ownership of the north american telecommunications networks....are they really spies or just low cost providers of equipment    ?????



4. Asian ownership of many mines in canada producing commodity minerals for shipping home....also bringing their labor with them. why ?????



AND: now we hear that china wants treaties signed with canada ASAP that basically protects them from having the Canadian government do anything should they finally wake up and find Canada being shipped overseas piece by piece or jobs taken in Canada by foreigners on a massive scale under treaty protection.....can anyone envision a time when china as a superpower would simply send force to Canada to enforce treaty provisions should Canada say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH at some point.....surely the USA has done so for half a century to protect it's treaty interests......conspiracy anyone or just business as usual just with a different colored skin behind it

Securious

BC has now its own Chinese Political Party [exclusively for Chinese elected to council]. Serious-minded contenders for the Vote in BC...next step/Parliament? ....you'betcha

Securious

Quote from: "Gary Oak"That's the plan. Also part of this multi pronged approach to taking over is to get a far higher number of them in thus making for a far more powerful voting block. If they could get 40 million chinese in then we would have a prime minister whose loyalty is to China. But any increase in Chinese people here is an increase in their voting power, an increase in their allies against the people they want to take over. [the FAN QING FU MING thread explains part of this plan ]



   If all businesses are in their control then all the workers are under them as well. They like living under white people however at the same time they want to take over and have us under them.If you go over their oaths and rituals and know that as the MING dynasty represents han chinese and that the QING dynasty represents the nonchinese that let them into which ever country that they have immigrated to then you realise that they want revenge against us too. Kill the QING, extirminate the QING,destroy the QING etc.... is all in there. Not knowing that the QING represent nonchinese thenit is very odd when you go over their oaths and rituals that they are mostly to do with doing ill towards the QING. The QING were nomadic tribes much like the Mongolians and were considered FOREIGN uncivilised barbarians. What do they call us in cantonese ? LO FAN ? LO mean man and this FAN means FOREIGN uncivilised barbarian. To test if FAN is derogatory try calling them WONG FAN as WONG means yellow and look into their eyes and see their reaction. They also call us GWAILO and as GWAI means devil it means devil man. Black peopel are HAK GWAI with HAK meaning black. Try calling one WING GWAI and look at the anger in their eyes. I did the other day when one called me a GWAILO. I told him that if he doesn't like Canadians he can go back to China and work the rice fields.


Quote from: "Obvious Li"not much for conspiracy theories however consider the following anecdotal comments....



1. 20 years ago you would be hard pressed to find an asian face in small town alta/sask (except the local chinese cafe).....today you would be challenged to find a quicky mart/corner store/gas bar not owned by asians...even in small towns of a couple hundred people...they now own most of the small businesses across wide swaths of the country....what will it look like 20 years hence ?????



2. the recent reports of chinese buying up vast tracts of farmland across the praries to produce raw  food stocks destined to be shipped directly to the motherland for processing and sale at home.......what happens when the majority of the food being grown in the Canadian agricultural heartland is being shipped directly overseas....what do we eat ????



3. Massive asian ownership of canada's oil industry with one purpose...to ship raw crude home for processing and sale in the motherland.......at what point do chinese companies start bringing chinese labor with them under treaty provisions negotiated in some grand free trade arrangement....what happens to canadian jobs on canadian soil ??????



4. Asian ownership of the north american telecommunications networks....are they really spies or just low cost providers of equipment    ?????



4. Asian ownership of many mines in canada producing commodity minerals for shipping home....also bringing their labor with them. why ?????



AND: now we hear that china wants treaties signed with canada ASAP that basically protects them from having the Canadian government do anything should they finally wake up and find Canada being shipped overseas piece by piece or jobs taken in Canada by foreigners on a massive scale under treaty protection.....can anyone envision a time when china as a superpower would simply send force to Canada to enforce treaty provisions should Canada say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH at some point.....surely the USA has done so for half a century to protect it's treaty interests......conspiracy anyone or just business as usual just with a different colored skin behind it


There is even a bigger picture here. We are seeing a lowering of living standards, lower expectations for improvements on lifestyle, no more upward mobility [middle class!] throughout the world due to staggering economies. This is further frustrated by an influx of cheap unskilled labour which is killing everything the unions fought over at the beginning of the last century. Conspiracy? Hmmm. It is my considered opinion that there is a plan  to enslave us all withing a new global order but first we must see the collapse of the old one. This is what is taking place. A technocratic controlled slave system with fascist totalitarian China as enforcers for this global order.

Gary Oak

How many of this Chinese parties politicians are tong members who have taken the oaths and rituals that I have mentioned on this thread and on the oaths and rituals thread ? If not all then nearly all. So you have a anti Canadian party whose loyalty is to China. One woudl have to be as dumb as Romero to not see a serious issue here. Here is yet another tactic in their multi facetted attack. They need us clueless though and like us that way. I was told that back in 1999. They prefer people that don't understand them.For example during the cultural revolution 1966-1976 Mao Tse Tung would only allow foreign diplomats into China that could not speak chinese and had no experience in China.


Quote from: "Securious"BC has now its own Chinese Political Party [exclusively for Chinese elected to council]. Serious-minded contenders for the Vote in BC...next step/Parliament? ....you'betcha

Securious

Quote from: "Securious"BC has now its own Chinese Political Party [exclusively for Chinese elected to council]. Serious-minded contenders for the Vote in BC...next step/Parliament? ....you'betcha




[size=150] The Alliance Party[/size]

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Securious

[size=150]Feds Willing To Expand CSIS Madate[/size]

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Securious

[size=150]What David Kilgour Has To Say..[/size]

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Obvious Li

U.S. review said to find no evidence of Huawei spying



SAN FRANCISCO — Reuters



Published Thursday, Oct. 18 2012, 6:01 AM EDT



A White House-ordered review of security risks posed by suppliers to U.S. telecommunications companies found no clear evidence that Huawei Technologies Ltd. had spied for China, two people familiar with the probe told Reuters...................

Securious

[size=150]Exclusively!! A Case Of Mandarin-Speaking Jobs Only/In BC Mining[/size]



[size=150]Ad for Mandarin-speaking miners draws fire[/size]



By Michael Smyth, The Province October 16, 2012



The Province





When Premier Christy Clark announced more than $1 billion of Chinese investment in B.C. coal mining last year, she bragged that thousands of jobs would be created in the province as a result.



But she didn't mention one of the apparent requirements for landing some of those jobs: the ability to speak Chinese.



Online want ads from some of the Chinese mining companies setting up shop in B.C. say they're looking for workers with routine qualifications, like experience in mining, a training certificate or a college degree.



But several ads also contain this line: "Other languages: Mandarin."



"In 40 years in the mining industry, I've never seen an ability to speak Mandarin mentioned in a want ad for a job in a Canadian mine," fumes Steve Hunt, western director of the United Steelworkers union.



"A requirement like that would immediately eliminate 98 per cent of Canadian job applicants."



The Chinese mining companies recently won federal approval to bring hundreds of temporary foreign workers into B.C., arguing not enough Canadian workers possess the skills to do the work.



But Hunt wonders if the Chinese companies truly wanted to hire Canadians, when they list Mandarin as a language requirement in their help-wanted ads.



"It's a set-up," said Hunt, whose union is considering legal action to stop the introduction of the Chinese workers.



Janet Yan, a spokeswoman for one of the Chinese companies that ran the online want ads, said she was surprised the ability to speak Mandarin was included.



"We want to hire skilled underground miners, not people who speak Mandarin," said Yan, of HD Mining International. "We will double-check this."



But Yan did not return repeated followup phone calls and emails on Monday.



HD Mining is developing a coal mine near Tumbler Ridge, one of four B.C. projects by a Chinese-backed consortium. About 200 federally approved Chinese workers will soon arrive to work on the projects, part of a first wave of up to 2,000 temporary Chinese miners.



Other want ads mentioning Mandarin language skills for B.C. coal-mining jobs have been placed by the Canadian arms of Chinese companies Dehua International and Kailuan Dehua Mines.



The B.C. government said it's concerned Mandarin language skills are included in the ads.



"It's certainly not acceptable for that to be a requirement for a job in British Columbia," said Labour Minister Pat Bell, who has asked the companies involved for a "clarification" of their ads.



But Bell also said the Chinese companies have told him that early phases of the mine projects require highly skilled and specialized workers who aren't available in Canada.



"This is a unique situation for the next six to eight months," Bell said. "Once those mines go into full production, I expect those jobs will be filled by British Columbians first and Canadians second."



But Bell said he still wants an explanation of why Mandarin language skills are mentioned in the ads, adding a lack of Chinese-speaking workers in Canada would not be considered grounds for approval of temporary workers being allowed into the country.





Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/life/Mandarin+speaking+miners+draws+fire/7395942/story.html#ixzz29fjeWWCY">http://www.theprovince.com/life/Mandari ... z29fjeWWCY">http://www.theprovince.com/life/Mandarin+speaking+miners+draws+fire/7395942/story.html#ixzz29fjeWWCY

Securious

Quote from: "Obvious Li"U.S. review said to find no evidence of Huawei spying



SAN FRANCISCO — Reuters



Published Thursday, Oct. 18 2012, 6:01 AM EDT



A White House-ordered review of security risks posed by suppliers to U.S. telecommunications companies found no clear evidence that Huawei Technologies Ltd. had spied for China, two people familiar with the probe told Reuters...................






...had spied?

perhaps the tense could be changed to: about to

Securious

   

 

The Alliance for Accountable Governance (AFAG) is calling for Chinese telecom infrastructure and device vendor, Huawei Techologies Ghana Limited to be kicked out of the country because of their alleged illegal involvement the country's politics.



Documental evidence from AFAG indicates Huawei provides sponsorship to the ruling National Democratic Congress (NDC) in the form of party paraphernalia, which contravenes the Political Party's Act, Act 574 of Ghana.



AFAG provided invoices to journalists showing Huawei printed NDC paraphernalia such as t-shirts, key holders, and handkerchiefs with two Chinese-based companies to the tune of about US$150,000 between March and July 2012.



The first invoice from Chinaband International Limited dated March 3, 2012 showed that Huawei paid US$62,698 for 50,000 t-shirts bearing the picture of the late President John Evans Ata Mills and the NDC logo (the umbrella). Huawei Ghana received the consignment on May 9, 2012.



Another invoice from Chinaband International Limited, dated April 3, 2012, also showed Huawei paid US$34,794.21 for 25,000 t-shirts bearing the picture of the sitting President John Dramani Mahama, and Huawei received that consignment on July 26, 2012, two days after the death of President Ata Mills.



The third invoice was dated May 5, 2012 and it was from Richfile Industrial (Shenzhen) Company Limited; it showed that Huawei paid US$42,040 for 30,000 t-shirts, 20,000 handkerchiefs and 10,000 key holders bearing the pictures of NDC logo, late President Ata Mills, and the Ghana flag.



Recently the government of Ghana gave Huawei some US$43 million tax exemption on a US$150 million e-government project that Huawei is undertaking in Ghana. That exemption generated heated debate in Parliament, but Huawei said in an email to Adom News they are not the only beneficiaries of tax exemptions in Ghana, and besides they paid some US$9million tax in 2011.



AFAG also alleged that Huawei has been sponsoring some NDC officials on private and partisan trips to China, and that government may have offered Huawei the e-government project in exchange for those favours.



Meanwhile, Hauwei Ghana Public Relations Director, Geoffrey Lichenhui had earlier said in his email to Adom Newss "Huawei is never involved in politics...", but the evidence seems to contradict that claim.



The Huawei Group itself has issues of alleged security breaches and corruption hanging around its head all over the world.



Huawei recently lost all government contracts in the USA and Australia for allegedly installing equipment to spy on those countries for China. They are being investigated in the EU for alleged financial support from Chinese government, that enables them to offer services at ridiculously cheaper and flexible rates and thereby win contracts over other major telecom infrastructure vendors.



Reliable sources from Nigeria told this reporter Huawei did was able to win contracts from government and telcos with heavy financial backing from the Chinese Exim Bank, which enabled them to finance and build infrastructure on long-term loan basis.



Huawei was said to have leveraged on that to demand a longer-term revenue share arrangements from the beneficiaries of its support, beside the repayment of the loan. It is yet to be confirmed if they have a similar deal in Ghana with regards to the e-government project.



In June this year, two Huawei officers were sentenced to 10 years in prison for bribery and corruption in Algeria, but the two have since been whisked away from Algeria to China, and Huawei has refused to return them to Algeria to face the law.



Bright Acheampong of AFAG told Adom News the support Huawei gave to NDC is a clear violation of Sections 23(1) and 24 the Political Parties' Act, Act 574, which stated that "only a citizen may contribute whether in cash or in kind to the fund of a political party."



Section 24 also states that "A non-citizen shall not directly or indirectly make a contribution or donation or loan whether in cash or in kind to the funds held by or for the benefit of a political party and no political party or person acting for or on behalf of a political party shall demand or accept a contribution donation or loan from a non-citizen".  

Political Party's Act Violated  

NDC Logo

 

AFAG said to the extent that NDC and Huawei had violated the Political Party's Act, the party must be made to face the penalties as provided in Section 25(1 and 2) of the Act.



Section 25 (1) says "where any person contravenes section 23 or 24, in addition to any penalty that may be imposed under this Act, any amount whether in cash or in kind paid in contravention of the section shall be forfeited to the State and the amount shall be recovered from the political party as debt owed to the State. The political party or person in whose custody the amount is for the time being held shall pay it to the State."



Section 25 (2) states that "A non-citizen found guilty of contravention of section 24 shall be deemed to be a prohibited immigrant and liable to deportation under the Aliens Act, 1963 (Act 160)".



Bright Acheampong is therefore insisting that the state should take possession of everything Huawei gave to NDC, and Huawei and its Chinese officials should be deported from Ghana with immediate effect.



He hinted that if the law does not take its course, AFAG would take further steps to ensure that law is upheld fully.



Vice President of IMANI Ghana, Kofi Bentil said AFAG did the right thing, but the onus is on them to carry the issue further and go to court and ensure that Huawei and NDC faced the law.



When Adom News reached NDC Propaganda Secretary, Richard Quarshigah, he agreed to provide a response but later did not pick his phone.



Huawei officials also asked for more time to prepare a response after studying the issues raised by AFAG.



The company is undertaking a US$150 million e-government project in Ghana, in spite of security concerns raised in other jurisdiction. They also supply data devices like modems, routers and handsets to all six telecom operators in Ghana.



Huawei is currently gearing up to launch its brand of smart devices, like smartphone and tablets in Ghana later this month.

Securious

Quote from: "Securious"
Quote from: "Obvious Li"U.S. review said to find no evidence of Huawei spying



SAN FRANCISCO — Reuters



Published Thursday, Oct. 18 2012, 6:01 AM EDT



A White House-ordered review of security risks posed by suppliers to U.S. telecommunications companies found no clear evidence that Huawei Technologies Ltd. had spied for China, two people familiar with the probe told Reuters...................




...had spied?

perhaps the tense could be changed to: about to


Lets not fool ourselves shall we. This company is fully underwriten & operated by their PRC'Government to put a fine point on things.,lets not forget that,K. The US was showing prudent diligence In my view as should Canada also. To say that they wont is simply stupid and assinine. Yheir is evidence that this is already happening around the world in Africa for example. I have posted an article about that. No, the US did the right thing.Wake up Canada.





the [umm] Leak:



White House: Huawei Wasn't Spying for China

Leslie Horn



Reuters has inside Government sources telling them that Huawei hasn't been spying on China's behalf, but it's still wary of the rapidly growing Chinese telecom.[/b



]Last week a U.S. House Intelligence Committee report declared Huawei and ZTE national security risks after an 18-month probe. The White House is standing by that conclusion, but at the same time, it declared that it's not the safest bet to use Huawei equipment, spying or no spying.



And the verdict is out as to whether Huawei, the second-biggest supplier of networking gear in the world, is totally innocent or just playing dumb. There are security vulnerabilities placed in its products that could have been placed there on purpose and there have been reports of suspicious activity, just no hard evidence of spying,yet.



But this fear of this Chinese companies probably won't stop anytime soon—U.S. officials involved in these investigations have made mention of a secret "annex" of information that could suggest they really do have evidence of shady dealings from Huawei. But perhaps it's too sensitive to release.

Securious

some comments on [leak]:





discussions in response to Leslie Horn



*But don't forget, Huawei is one of the suppliers who manufacture the equipment for Great Firewall of China that makes you cannot access to Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, etc.

 

*I'd be intrigued to see how deep into the firmware the various agencies have delved...or how it maybe linked to the Presidential election, ahem.

 

*China is one monolithic entity and everyone in it tows the party line regardless of purpose.

 

*Every time I go to china my communications and movements are monitored very closely. I have met people there whose job it was to do this. I think people don't quite understand how willing china is to make sure they are in the know. I also don't think most people understand how much manpower they can throw at this!

Romero

QuoteChinese miners being recruited to work in Canada are paying more than $12,500 CAD for the privilege, The Tyee has learned, and their actual wages are less than those advertised.



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The United Steelworkers' Union has said on its website; since 50,000 workers have died in Chinese mines since 2011, according to China Mine Disaster Watch, B.C. has nothing to learn from China's practices.



Frank Everitt, president of USW Local 1-424 said the claim B.C. doesn't have the expertise to run the mines does not excuse the recruitment of foreign workers.



"I just think it's shameful, I think there are enough people in Northern B.C. that they could recruit for the mine," said Everitt.



"It's not that we haven't done it, it's just that nobody has put the resources to it and it's a scam to bring guest workers in."



The USW published advertisements looking for miners on its website that specified Mandarin speakers were preferred, alleging the requirement was meant specifically to make the case there were not enough qualified applicants to justify bringing in foreign workers.



http://thetyee.ca/News/2012/10/18/Chinese-Temp-Miners/">//http://thetyee.ca/News/2012/10/18/Chinese-Temp-Miners/

Securious



 

The recent presence of Chinese marine surveillance ships near the islands has heightened tensions China is set to conduct naval exercises in the East China Sea, state media report, amid heightened tensions over islands disputed with Japan.



They are aimed at "sharpening response to emergencies in missions to safeguard territorial sovereignty", said Xinhua.



China, Japan and Taiwan all claim the islands, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China.



Japan's recent acquisition of them from a private Japanese owner sparked violent protests in China.



Naval ships and vessels from the marine surveillance agency and fishery administration would be involved in Friday's exercises, Xinhua reported, citing a naval statement.



The presence of marine surveillance ships and fisheries patrol vessels near the islands in recent weeks has heightened tensions.



Cherish the relationship?

 

Japan's Foreign Minister Koichiro Gemba says his government's decision to purchase the islands was pragmatic.



"The situation could have been much worse, if the government didn't buy the islands," he told the BBC.



Mr Gemba blamed Tokyo's right-wing governor, Shintaro Ishihara, saying his original plan to buy the islands had been much more provocative.



Japan-China disputed islands

The archipelago consists of five islands and three reefs

Japan, China and Taiwan claim them; they are controlled by Japan and form part of Okinawa prefecture

The Japanese government signed a deal in September 2012 to purchase three islands from Japanese businessman Kunioki Kurihara, who used to rent them out to the Japanese state

The islands were the focus of a major diplomatic row between Japan and China in 2010



That may be hard to believe, says the BBC's Japan correspondent Mariko Oi, as the wave of demonstrations in China crippled Japanese businesses and disrupted business with Japan's largest trading partner.



While he emphasised Japan's sovereignty over the islands, Mr Gemba said it was crucial for both countries to prevent the situation escalating further.



"Our economies are interdependent and we want to cherish the mutually beneficial relationship," he said.



Last month, Japan and China traded barbs at the United Nations over the islands, with China accusing Japan of stealing them and Japan reiterating its territorial claim.



The row has also seen a ceremony meant to mark Sino-Japanese ties cancelled and a number of Japanese businesses briefly halt production in some Chinese cities because of protests.



It comes at a time when both countries are facing political changes domestically, making it difficult for either side to be seen as backing down.