Dreamers and DACA

[Harry]

"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," the former secretary of state said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."

From a google search Here are 5 articles calling trump a racist in the headline, or quoting someone calling trump a racist for repealing DACA.  I stopped at 5, there were at least 50 others where in the body of the article trump is called a racist.



http://www.newsweek.com/racism-heart-trumps-daca-decision-661207">http://www.newsweek.com/racism-heart-tr ... ion-661207">http://www.newsweek.com/racism-heart-trumps-daca-decision-661207

http://prospect.org/article/daca-phase-out-yet-another-gimme-trump%E2%80%99s-racist-base">http://prospect.org/article/daca-phase- ... acist-base">http://prospect.org/article/daca-phase-out-yet-another-gimme-trump%E2%80%99s-racist-base

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/opinion/inner-racism-revealed.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/opin ... ealed.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/opinion/inner-racism-revealed.html

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/donald-trump-ends-daca-bill-de-blasio-reacts-new-york-racist-immigration">http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/d ... mmigration">http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/donald-trump-ends-daca-bill-de-blasio-reacts-new-york-racist-immigration

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-donald-trump-white-racist-20170907-story.html">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-donald-trump-white-racist-20170907-story.html[/quote]

Context, wazzzup, context.



This is from the Yahoo article you linked to:

In the exchange with CNN host and reporter Christiane Amanpour, Clinton was not speaking specifically about "dreamers," children who were brought to the United States by their parents and until recently have been allowed to remain and work in the country, but children who were coming along borders on their own.



"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," the former secretary of state said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."



Amanpour then asked: "So, you're saying they should be sent back now?



"Well, they should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are, because there are concerns whether all of them should be sent back," Clinton responded. "But I think all of them who can be should be reunited with their families."

It helps if you actually read stuff before you use it as a source.  I know it takes some effort, but it's usually worthwhile.

[Wazzzup]

"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," the former secretary of state said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."

From a google search Here are 5 articles calling trump a racist in the headline, or quoting someone calling trump a racist for repealing DACA.  I stopped at 5, there were at least 50 others where in the body of the article trump is called a racist.



http://www.newsweek.com/racism-heart-trumps-daca-decision-661207">http://www.newsweek.com/racism-heart-tr ... ion-661207">http://www.newsweek.com/racism-heart-trumps-daca-decision-661207

http://prospect.org/article/daca-phase-out-yet-another-gimme-trump%E2%80%99s-racist-base">http://prospect.org/article/daca-phase- ... acist-base">http://prospect.org/article/daca-phase-out-yet-another-gimme-trump%E2%80%99s-racist-base

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/opinion/inner-racism-revealed.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/opin ... ealed.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/opinion/inner-racism-revealed.html

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/donald-trump-ends-daca-bill-de-blasio-reacts-new-york-racist-immigration">http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/d ... mmigration">http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/05/donald-trump-ends-daca-bill-de-blasio-reacts-new-york-racist-immigration

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-donald-trump-white-racist-20170907-story.html">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/ct-perspec-donald-trump-white-racist-20170907-story.html

Context, wazzzup, context.



This is from the Yahoo article you linked to:

In the exchange with CNN host and reporter Christiane Amanpour, Clinton was not speaking specifically about "dreamers," children who were brought to the United States by their parents and until recently have been allowed to remain and work in the country, but children who were coming along borders on their own.



"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," the former secretary of state said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."



Amanpour then asked: "So, you're saying they should be sent back now?



"Well, they should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are, because there are concerns whether all of them should be sent back," Clinton responded. "But I think all of them who can be should be reunited with their families."

It helps if you actually read stuff before you use it as a source.  I know it takes some effort, but it's usually worthwhile.[/quote]

Spin spin spin



Did Hillary say illegals children should be allowed to stay if they were accompanied by illegal parent?  Nope.   "We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay"



BTW her husband never did a DACA in his whole 8 years as president.  He must be a wayciss too right?  Oh no, he can't be a wayciss, only Trump can be a wayciss.



Hillary was for building a wall with Mexico in 2015 (oh excuse me a "barrier", thats so different, spin spin spin)

[Anonymous]

It seems Trump may have worked out a deal with the Democrats to keep DACA  in exchange for raising the debt ceiling.

[Harry]

It seems Trump may have worked out a deal with the Democrats to keep DACA  in exchange for raising the debt ceiling.

Perhaps so...



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/14/white-house-disputes-schumer-pelosis-border-wall-claim.html">//http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/14/white-house-disputes-schumer-pelosis-border-wall-claim.html

Beside the border wall issue, the Democrats said Trump agreed to enshrine protections for the nearly 800,000 immigrants brought illegally to this country as kids who had benefited from the DACA program.



Trump ended the program earlier this month and gave Congress six months to come up with a legislative fix before the statuses of the so-called Dreamers begin to expire.



House Speaker Paul Ryan, who also sat down with Pelosi to talk immigration Wednesday, said in an interview that deporting the so-called Dreamers was "not in our nation's interest," and said the president had "made the right call."

[Wazzzup]

Trump says no DACA caca without a wall and an end to chain and lottery migration.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F">https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... l-first%2F">https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F



 ac_cool

[Anonymous]

Trump says no DACA caca without a wall and an end to chain and lottery migration.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F">https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... l-first%2F">https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F



 ac_cool

Best president in at least two generations.

[Frood]

Trump says no DACA caca without a wall and an end to chain and lottery migration.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F">https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... l-first%2F">https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F



 ac_cool

Seems fair to me.  ac_umm

[Anonymous]

Trump says no DACA caca without a wall and an end to chain and lottery migration.



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F">https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... l-first%2F">https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/946731576687235072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbsnews.com%2Fnews%2Ftrump-says-dreamers-wont-be-protected-without-a-wall-first%2F



 ac_cool

Seems fair to me.  ac_umm

Which is why the Democrats won't go along with it.

[Wazzzup]

According to Center for Immigration Studies Director of Research Steven Camarota, about 24 percent of illegal aliens who are eligible for DACA — which President Trump administration will officially end in March 2018 — overstate their English proficiency skills and are "below basic" or "functionally illiterate."



Additionally, the research found that about 46 percent of DACA illegal aliens only have "basic" English proficiency skills, despite narratives from corporate interests and the open borders lobby that recipients of the program are vastly highly-educated.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/02/study-nearly-25-percent-of-daca-illegal-aliens-are-functionally-illiterate-in-english/">http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... n-english/">http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/02/study-nearly-25-percent-of-daca-illegal-aliens-are-functionally-illiterate-in-english/



These are the kinds of problems you get when immigration becomes a charity system, and a racial/political football, rather than a tool to benefit to the host country.

[Anonymous]

How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?

[Anonymous]

How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?

The figure of 25% seems dubious.

[Wazzzup]

How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?

The figure of 25% seems dubious.

Not really.  Acording to the US Census Nationwide, 21.6 percentof people speak a language other than English at home and 8.6 percent speak English less than very well.



In california 44.6% of people do not speak english at home. 35.6% in Texas; 34.5% in NM; 31.7% in NJ; 31.0% in NY



https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm">https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/te ... xas-345-nm">https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm

[Anonymous]

How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?

The figure of 25% seems dubious.

Not really.  Acording to the US Census Nationwide, 21.6 percentof people speak a language other than English at home and 8.6 percent speak English less than very well.



In california 44.6% of people do not speak english at home. 35.6% in Texas; 34.5% in NM; 31.7% in NJ; 31.0% in NY



https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm">https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/te ... xas-345-nm">https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm

I spoke a language other than English when I was a kid living with my parents in Toronto. That doesn't mean I'm functionally illiterate in English.

[Wazzzup]

How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?

The figure of 25% seems dubious.

Not really.  Acording to the US Census Nationwide, 21.6 percentof people speak a language other than English at home and 8.6 percent speak English less than very well.



In california 44.6% of people do not speak english at home. 35.6% in Texas; 34.5% in NM; 31.7% in NJ; 31.0% in NY



https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm">https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/te ... xas-345-nm">https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm

I spoke a language other than English when I was a kid living with my parents in Toronto. That doesn't mean I'm functionally illiterate in English.

That would be anecdotal evidence.  I know a tall woman, how can you say women are usually shorter than men?  I know someone who was strangled by a seatbelt, how can you say seatbelts save lives?  



The point is, as a general statement, someone who is not speaking english at home is More Likely to have trouble speaking and reading English.



I have no trouble believing that 1/4 of DACA kids have very poor English skills. Especially for those whose families speak only Spanish in the home, for those who watch spanish language TV, for those who have friends that speak only Spanish.  Where is the  need to learn english?

[Anonymous]

How can that be if they have lived in the USA all or most of their lives?

The figure of 25% seems dubious.

Not really.  Acording to the US Census Nationwide, 21.6 percentof people speak a language other than English at home and 8.6 percent speak English less than very well.



In california 44.6% of people do not speak english at home. 35.6% in Texas; 34.5% in NM; 31.7% in NJ; 31.0% in NY



https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm">https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/te ... xas-345-nm">https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-446-california-dont-speak-english-home-356-texas-345-nm

I spoke a language other than English when I was a kid living with my parents in Toronto. That doesn't mean I'm functionally illiterate in English.

That would be anecdotal evidence.  I know a tall woman, how can you say women are usually shorter than men?  I know someone who was strangled by a seatbelt, how can you say seatbelts save lives?  



The point is, as a general statement, someone who is not speaking english at home is More Likely to have trouble speaking and reading English.



I have no trouble believing that 1/4 of DACA kids have very poor English skills. Especially for those whose families speak only Spanish in the home, for those who watch spanish language TV, for those who have friends that speak only Spanish.  Where is the  need to learn english?

I did not pull this out of my ass.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10218259">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10218259