man oh man...

[kiebers]

Going back to berry's OP, I know if a guy knocks up a girl in Canada, he pays the government big time.



If they know who the guy is, they hunt him down for the child support payments.



And if he doesn't pay, they take away his passport so he can't flee the country and his driver's license so he can't drive.

Joe...if a woman goes on welfare and she tells them she doesnt know who the father is...how are they supposed to track him down?  Its not going to happen.



Child support and welfare/ministry are 2 different things.  They have nothing to do with child support.  That is what FMEP is all about.



Heres a scenario for you....2 people get married and have a baby...the guy decides he actually doesnt want to have a kid anymore and leaves the relationship to pursue a new life....so he should just get off not helping to support this child?  This is ok?



Then there are those who dont want the responsiblity of raising the child but want every single weekend and holiday...yet they still dont want to pay and help support the child....do ypu think this is ok?



And its not like they are taking huge chunk of their income...its only a small percentage...this money helps with shelter, food, clothing and basic needs...ypu'd think any father would want that for their child.



Heres more news for ya Joe....it doesnt end there...if the father (or mother) has not paid child support to the mother over the years...yes, it does stop once the child turns 18....BUT...then this gets handed over to the child who is now an adult....who can turn take their own father (or mother) to court and get all the years back pay directly to the child themselves.  There is no escaping it.  Support ypur kids!

Well Berry, most single Dads I know paid or have paid their fair share of child support.



And when they don't pay, the government goes after them.



Raids whatever they can - their assets, their bank account.



Rarely is anything spared.



The government really means business when they want these Dads to pay up.



And even after the Kids have long left home, the government still collects monies from them that are owed. One of my friends is still owing $30,000. He failed to meet all the payments, so his driver's license and passport got taken away from him.



Those who are young Single Dads, they work just about every hour of their waking days.



2 jobs, 60 to 80 hours a week for them is the norm, no holidays comin', just a life with a ball and chain around their ankles. Essentially, it's a sentence.



Not to say that some of them don't deserve it.



But the vast majority of them I've met don't get off so easily.



They break it - they own it whether they like it or not.

Ever thought about just answering yes or no to someone that asks you a direct question?

It's real easy. I would answer no, no, no. Perhaps clarify your position a little better. Help the masses better understand your views. Otherwise you being inexperienced in these matters glaringly shows with your "informational" post.









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Did I really just write all that crap???? [/size]

[JOE]

well kahbuzz, if she wanted a direct answer, I'd say No.



However, I've never met any single dads who got off that easy.



They usually get hounded for every cent they owe.



Perhaps there are many who run off an neglect their responsibilities.



But for the ones who don't, they sure pay.

[Berry Sweet]

Going back to berry's OP, I know if a guy knocks up a girl in Canada, he pays the government big time.



If they know who the guy is, they hunt him down for the child support payments.



And if he doesn't pay, they take away his passport so he can't flee the country and his driver's license so he can't drive.

Joe...if a woman goes on welfare and she tells them she doesnt know who the father is...how are they supposed to track him down?  Its not going to happen.



Child support and welfare/ministry are 2 different things.  They have nothing to do with child support.  That is what FMEP is all about.



Heres a scenario for you....2 people get married and have a baby...the guy decides he actually doesnt want to have a kid anymore and leaves the relationship to pursue a new life....so he should just get off not helping to support this child?  This is ok?



Then there are those who dont want the responsiblity of raising the child but want every single weekend and holiday...yet they still dont want to pay and help support the child....do ypu think this is ok?



And its not like they are taking huge chunk of their income...its only a small percentage...this money helps with shelter, food, clothing and basic needs...ypu'd think any father would want that for their child.



Heres more news for ya Joe....it doesnt end there...if the father (or mother) has not paid child support to the mother over the years...yes, it does stop once the child turns 18....BUT...then this gets handed over to the child who is now an adult....who can turn take their own father (or mother) to court and get all the years back pay directly to the child themselves.  There is no escaping it.  Support ypur kids!

Well Berry, most single Dads I know paid or have paid their fair share of child support.



And when they don't pay, the government goes after them.



Raids whatever they can - their assets, their bank account.



Rarely is anything spared.



The government really means business when they want these Dads to pay up.



And even after the Kids have long left home, the government still collects monies from them that are owed. One of my friends is still owing $30,000. He failed to meet all the payments, so his driver's license and passport got taken away from him.



Those who are young Single Dads, they work just about every hour of their waking days.



2 jobs, 60 to 80 hours a week for them is the norm, no holidays comin', just a life with a ball and chain around their ankles. Essentially, it's a sentence.



Not to say that some of them don't deserve it.



But the vast majority of them I've met don't get off so easily.



They break it - they own it whether they like it or not.

Ever thought about just answering yes or no to someone that asks you a direct question?

It's real easy. I would answer no, no, no. Perhaps clarify your position a little better. Help the masses better understand your views. Otherwise you being inexperienced in these matters glaringly shows with your "informational" post.









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Did I really just write all that crap???? [/size]

Obviously the answer is no.  Its just my style of expressing myself...but moving on...anyway...

[kiebers]

well kahbuzz, if she wanted a direct answer, I'd say No.

Kudo's J0E, first time for everything....

[Berry Sweet]

Joe if they helped financially support the child thru the years, they wouldnt be in a financial jeopardy.  Its their own fault for being irresponsible.



Child care and child support go hand in hand...its what it takes to raise a child...for both parents.  



Either mother or father who has to pay child support should be doing it without having to question it or get court ordered to pay.  Ypu do it cause ypu want ypur kid to have the best oppprtunities.

[Berry Sweet]

Some fathers care and others dont.  It hurts the kid in the long run.



Doesnt matter if the child lives with a single mom or single dad, they deserve support from both.  Single parents do work and support the child on their own while the other doesnt help...its not nice.

[Anonymous]

Joe if they helped financially support the child thru the years, they wouldnt be in a financial jeopardy.  Its their own fault for being irresponsible.



Child care and child support go hand in hand...its what it takes to raise a child...for both parents.  



Either mother or father who has to pay child support should be doing it without having to question it or get court ordered to pay.  Ypu do it cause ypu want ypur kid to have the best oppprtunities.

Joe,  is  an elderly white  troll. Fuck him.

[Berry Sweet]

Joe if they helped financially support the child thru the years, they wouldnt be in a financial jeopardy.  Its their own fault for being irresponsible.



Child care and child support go hand in hand...its what it takes to raise a child...for both parents.  



Either mother or father who has to pay child support should be doing it without having to question it or get court ordered to pay.  Ypu do it cause ypu want ypur kid to have the best oppprtunities.

Joe,  is  an elderly white  troll. Fuck him.

Its true.

[@realAzhyaAryola]

...speaking of single mama baby drama...im a single mama but I do what I have to do because such is life.



However, I am really unimpressed with some other single mamas...esp those that abuse the system.  Yes, it is true that some women are career baby makers only for money...it is not a conspiracy or sterotyping...it is very real.



There really are women out there who date guys and get pregnant, then dump them and dont tell them they are pregnant with them...they do this to continue staying on welfare and getting more money and benefits from the government.  Its absolutely horrific.



Yes, I do live in subsidies housing and im very greatful for it.  It allows me to have more income for my child...to put her in programs I pay for or buy her the things she needs instead of putting all of my money to rent and bills.   Some people where I live have good jobs...one woman is a nurse but also struggles...she works hard and is a good mom.



Then there are the others...I dont get them?  One girl has all these kids all from different dads and takes advantage of everything....her bf lives with her and hes not supposed to be here...she doesnt have him listed as a tenant and he makes $80g/yr....then this woman tells me how she supports everyone..even her bf with her welfare cheque....I mean really??  Its amazing how some people get on actually believing they are the shit.  So the other day, her bf was talking to me and he actually said this to me..."why dont you go fuck some guy and get pregnant with him? Dont tell him and use the kid to transfer to a bigger unit?"....like are you fuckin kidding me???



I couldnt believe it!!!  I could never do that!!  What a complete turn off!  I like to know how many men out there have children that they dont even know exist???  This is just awful! For a long time I thought this was bullshit cause it sounds so mean....buts very real and its true.



People today are disgusting.  Its no wonder I keep my circle very very small.

I think opportunists have been around since the beginning of time. That is all they know how to do, they take and their entire family is this way. They just know how to do it. They will give up their dignity to score better with whatever it is they set their minds on.



I pity sometimes the little Asian women walking hand in hand with their white men. Some of these men remind me of Shrek. I wonder to myself, " Is that love or just convenience? What does she see in him?" Hey, I hope for their sakes they are in love!

[Angry White Male]

The top one on my complex for this is a native chick.

Why the fuck are you even interacting with a sub-breed of people?



Are you fucking White?  Why the fuck are you lowering yourself to Indian standards?



Is this what was taught to you?



And you know fucking what?  The Indians don't want you around either.

[Berry Sweet]

The top one on my complex for this is a native chick.

Why the fuck are you even interacting with a sub-breed of people?



Are you fucking White?  Why the fuck are you lowering yourself to Indian standards?



Is this what was taught to you?



And you know fucking what?  The Indians don't want you around either.

There is a diverse group of people who live here.  All different races.  Its in a good part of the city.  Its worth the convenience.  



I dont associate with all my neighbors but since we are a complex setting everyone kinda knows each other.



My kid plays in the neighborhood...I go outside a lot.  Im not a hermit like some.

[shin]

Before reading your post, I couldn't imagine why any woman would want to have babies and not notify the Father, especially if they weren't financially stable on their own.



They say you should never have sex with anyone unless you're prepared to have a child with them. Sometimes I wonder what the average woman sees in any man...

[Anonymous]

Before reading your post, I couldn't imagine why any woman would want to have babies and not notify the Father, especially if they weren't financially stable on their own.



They say you should never have sex with anyone unless you're prepared to have a child with them. Sometimes I wonder what the average woman sees in any man...

Money!!

[shin]

Before reading your post, I couldn't imagine why any woman would want to have babies and not notify the Father, especially if they weren't financially stable on their own.



They say you should never have sex with anyone unless you're prepared to have a child with them. Sometimes I wonder what the average woman sees in any man...

Money!!

Well, that's one major draw to a would be companion... but what would a self-sufficient woman with plenty of her own money see in men that she felt she needed?



The two things that immediately come to mind are companionship and dick, but I think a lot of women would get bored and annoyed with what's attached to them so as not to tolerate any guy over a housepet and a vibrator.  ac_wot

[Anonymous]

Before reading your post, I couldn't imagine why any woman would want to have babies and not notify the Father, especially if they weren't financially stable on their own.



They say you should never have sex with anyone unless you're prepared to have a child with them. Sometimes I wonder what the average woman sees in any man...

Money!!

Well, that's one major draw to a would be companion... but what would a self-sufficient woman with plenty of her own money see in men that she felt she needed?



The two things that immediately come to mind are companionship and dick, but I think a lot of women would get bored and annoyed with what's attached to them so as not to tolerate any guy over a housepet and a vibrator.  ac_wot

I am not bored with my husband shin.