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 Post subject: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 23rd, 2019, 3:52 pm 
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I say he will not lead the Tories into the next election. He is a clone of former Ontario PC leader, Tim Hudak.

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While Andrew Scheer is saying that he will stay on as leader of the Conservative Party, the question is whether his MPS and party faithful will let him. It will take some time to figure out the future of the Conservative leader but there are already rumblings.

Some candidates, such as Richard Martel, have been critical.

“It’s not the best campaign he’s done,” Martel told local media of Scheer’s effort in the national campaign.

As far as criticism goes, that’s pretty mild. It’s also an understatement.

It’s true that Scheer was up against a candidate who is part of Laurentian Elite royalty, who was literally born living at 24 Sussex and who most pundits, myself included, thought was a shoo-in for a second majority. So that Scheer held Trudeau to a minority, increased the Conservative seat count and won the popular vote speaks well of him and the campaign the party ran.

That he didn’t win, though, is a problem. Gone are the days when party leaders hang around for two or three elections before getting turfed for not winning power.

Scheer had Trudeau at his weakest and couldn’t beat him. This was a PM found guilty of breaking the ethics laws twice, a man who was exposed during the campaign as a fan of wearing blackface and who had faced scandal after scandal over the past two years.

That Scheer couldn’t beat Trudeau this time is a problem.

Whether Scheer stays or goes will be up to party members and the leadership review that the party constitution calls for. In the meantime, the best I can do is offer some friendly advice for Scheer, or another leader come the next campaign.

Give up on the myth that a more moderate leader is the path to success. I’m not saying that the leader of the Conservative Party has to be a fire-breathing dragon from the far right, but this idea that the party just needs to elect a moderate to easily win simply is not true. Ontario Premier Doug Ford is not a social conservative in the least; Ford isn’t actually all that conservative, period.

Yet for having the PC name attached to him, the media and his opponents regularly portray Ford as something he’s not. Had Rona Ambrose or Peter Mackay been leader of the Conservative Party this election, not much would have changed — the claims of hidden agenda would have persisted.

That said, own your issues. A big problem for Scheer was giving a straight answer on a number of fronts. On abortion, he should have said right from the start that like Justin Trudeau he was opposed to abortion but would not change the law. Instead, he gave the impression on this issue and others that he was uncomfortable answering and therefore hiding something.

The media are not friends with the Conservatives. I know most newspapers, including this one, endorsed the Conservatives but that is the owner’s point of view. Nearly 20 years of working in this business right across the country have shown me that most reporters, the ones doing the daily stories, are instinctually Liberal. It’s how they think, it is how they view the world, it is why they will always be tougher on Conservative proposals than Liberal ones.

Issues that media folks will automatically call controversial are often not controversial with the public. The media and the voting public are not the same — woo voters, not the media.

Speaking of wooing, while the Conservatives did very well in Western Canada, they were virtually shut out in the Toronto area. If you can’t win in the area with the most seats in the country, then you can’t form a government. Either change policies or do a better job of explaining them to voters.

The Conservatives have weakened the Trudeau Liberals this time. They will get a rest before the next campaign at which point, whoever is leading them, must simply do better.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 23rd, 2019, 4:45 pm 
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Doug Ford has been more popular than Andrew Scheer throughout the entire election campaign in Ontario. And I think it was a mistake. Because mobilizing conservative voters—we’ll see as the night unfolds—is something Ford was able to do very successfully 18 months ago. And we are not seeing the signs of that same enthusiasm for Andrew Scheer tonight.

Next April’s Conservative convention is in Toronto, where Doug Ford’s provincial Conservatives tend to concentrate, forming as they do a large provincial government; that a leadership review vote at that convention is mandatory; and that a very large number of delegates to that convention will be driving in. From ridings that didn’t see their vote go up. A third prominent Conservative said there’s not much likelihood of an organized attempt to drive Scheer’s leadership-review vote down, but there is considerable anger in the Conservative caucus about how the campaign was run, and he needs to make large concrete moves to show he understands that anger.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 23rd, 2019, 5:53 pm 
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I wish he would develop charisma and passion. He is not a compelling leader.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
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@realAzhyaAryola wrote:
I wish he would develop charisma and passion. He is not a compelling leader.

He can't handle tough questions either, like his personal feelings about abortion.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 23rd, 2019, 5:57 pm 
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Wishing will never get "charisma and passion"

One either has them or one does not have them

Sheer is and always was at best a wet rag

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 23rd, 2019, 6:02 pm 
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Wishing will never get "charisma and passion"

One either has them or one does not have them

Sheer is and always was at best a wet rag


Then ya'll vote him the hell out.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
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iron horse jockey wrote:
@realAzhyaAryola wrote:
I wish he would develop charisma and passion. He is not a compelling leader.

He can't handle tough questions either, like his personal feelings about abortion.


I dislike intensely when he goes to the podium to speak and just smiles there as he speaks. Someone said he should be updating his resume and they are right.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 23rd, 2019, 6:06 pm 
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That can be done at leadership conference .. . where they will likely pick another wet rag

As of now, there is no leader material in view

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 23rd, 2019, 6:21 pm 
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cc wrote:
That can be done at leadership conference .. . where they will likely pick another wet rag

As of now, there is no leader material in view

I agree with sasquatch, Pierre Polieve would make a good leader. Scheer has got to go.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 23rd, 2019, 8:39 pm 
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cc wrote:
That can be done at leadership conference .. . where they will likely pick another wet rag

As of now, there is no leader material in view

The talk is bringing Peter McKay out of retirement.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 23rd, 2019, 10:07 pm 
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Oh damn. Never liked or trusted him ... nor thot he had a brain .. a silly good ball I always saw him as

They (and along with them, we) are really finished aren't we? They have no one with what is needed

Anyhow, another 4 yrs from now there will be no pieces to pick up and put back together, sigh

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 23rd, 2019, 10:19 pm 
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The best potential leaders of the party, Michelle Rempel, Brad Wall are from the prairies and Eastern Canadians won't vote for a party with a leader from Alberta or Saskatchewan.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
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Donald J. Trump

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 24th, 2019, 8:11 am 
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Herman wrote:
The best potential leaders of the party, Michelle Rempel, Brad Wall are from the prairies and Eastern Canadians won't vote for a party with a leader from Alberta or Saskatchewan.

There is some truth to that. There is a stigma against leaders from out West.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 24th, 2019, 9:42 am 
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Wow. We sure are not a united country ... if even a country in light of that

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
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Wow. We sure are not a united country ... if even a country in light of that

I have never seen the country this divided. The last time we were this divided, another Trudeau was pm.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 24th, 2019, 7:41 pm 
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cc wrote:
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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 24th, 2019, 8:00 pm 

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The Conservative Party of Andrew Scheer is not very conservative. But, I held my nose and voted for them in my Winnipeg riding.

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 Post subject: Re: Andrew Scheer
Unread postPosted: October 24th, 2019, 10:25 pm 
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We went rouge ... but had luxury that con would likely win our riding .. she did handily

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