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Unread postPosted: October 11th, 2019, 10:02 pm 
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Watch Justine the idiot.

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Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2019, 4:32 am 
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There is no chance now of our always increasing carbon tax being repealed..
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The Conservatives can't do it without a majority.

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Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2019, 8:59 am 
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There is no chance now of our always increasing carbon tax being repealed..
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The Conservatives can't do it without a majority.

I don't like the Conservative party, but I like plank in their platform. Carbon taxes are working people subsidizing billionaires and big companies.

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Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2019, 4:04 pm 
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And it's big companies that benefit from carbon taxes.

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Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2019, 9:06 pm 
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Fashionista wrote:
And it's big companies that benefit from carbon taxes.

Would you support carbon taxes if it was offset by lower income taxes and sales tax?

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Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2019, 9:16 pm 
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Gaon wrote:
Fashionista wrote:
And it's big companies that benefit from carbon taxes.

Would you support carbon taxes if it was offset by lower income taxes and sales tax?

I guess in theory I might, but that would never happen in Canada.

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Unread postPosted: October 18th, 2019, 9:30 pm 
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Gaon wrote:
Fashionista wrote:
And it's big companies that benefit from carbon taxes.

Would you support carbon taxes if it was offset by lower income taxes and sales tax?

That is how economists that support the idea of taxing carbon said it should work.

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Unread postPosted: October 19th, 2019, 4:59 am 
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Gaon wrote:
Fashionista wrote:
And it's big companies that benefit from carbon taxes.

Would you support carbon taxes if it was offset by lower income taxes and sales tax?

My province brought in a cap and trade scheme along with quickly mothballing coal plants and subsidizing useless wind and solar schemes with raising gasoline and home heating taxes. The result was forcing hundreds of thousands of low income Ontarians into fuel poverty along with corruption and the highest sub sovereign debt in the world. Forced transitions do not work. The only thing they force is poor people deciding to get to work or heat their home.

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If anyone is still undecided, this may help you make a choice between the two main parties.

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Unread postPosted: October 20th, 2019, 7:51 am 
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Thiel wrote:
If anyone is still undecided, this may help you make a choice between the two main parties.

If anyone is undecided at this point, this aint likely to make a difference.

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Unread postPosted: November 10th, 2019, 10:10 pm 
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Carbon offsets=modern Medieval indulgences.

By Lorne Gunter or Sun News Media

Offset Obsession
Justin Trudeau and the Liberals love them but buying carbon offsets is futile

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Unread postPosted: November 10th, 2019, 11:09 pm 
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B.C. tricked Canadian politicians into believing its carbon tax policy works. It doesn't
'Revenue neutral' carbon tax is not an accounting exercise for B.C. families. It’s an expensive reality

While Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government gets set to force a federal carbon tax on all of Canada’s provinces and territories, taxpayers across the country deserve to know what happened in the country’s carbon-tax test case, British Columbia.

The Trojan horse of the carbon tax was wheeled into the B.C. public square in 2008 with the government’s promise that it would somehow cost average people nothing and would be “revenue neutral.” But, that turned out to be a cautionary tale for the ages.

For years, the carbon-tax cheerleaders continued to laud the fee that’s been tacked on to carbon-emitting goods and services, urging the rest of the country to follow suit. It was touted as a magical formula that would somehow protect the environment and lower taxes all at once. Visions of hydrogen-powered buses and solar cars danced in the heads of the green bean counters. “Revenue neutral” they all sang.

The reality of government, however, is always duller and grift-ier than that. The current B.C. government has dropped the term “revenue neutral” altogether and now calls the carbon tax a “tool.”

Before the charade was abandoned entirely, this is what “revenue neutral” meant for the B.C. carbon tax: In 2016–17 the provincial government raked in $1.2 billion in the carbon tax from taxpayers. The amount is listed on page 68 in the budget document as a frame entitled: “Revenue Neutral Carbon Tax Plan.” Then, the government scraped together 17 sundry tax credits and stuffed them into the carbon-tax frame, making the tax sum balance out to zero. Abracadabra: “revenue neutral.” That’s all it meant.

It was a crass puppet show. Every provincial and federal budget includes tax credits for things like home renovations, children’s fitness programs, film incentives, and business training tax credits. In B.C., however, there is an uncommon carbon tax taken from people, so these very common credits were just repackaged to make the tax appear neutral on paper. As a senior B.C. government official admitted during last year’s budget lockup, “this was always just an accounting exercise.”

The carbon tax is not an accounting exercise for B.C. families. It’s an expensive reality for any Canadian subjected to it.

To fill up an average Toyota Camry with a 70-litre fuel tank costs $6 in carbon tax


Under the federal formula at $35 per tonne, the carbon tax costs a lot of money at the gas station, approximately 8.55 cents per litre of gasoline with the GST tacked onto it, and 10.06 cents per litre for diesel with the GST. To fill up an average Toyota Camry with a 70-litre fuel tank costs $6 in carbon tax. A Dodge Ram pick-up truck costs more than $10 in carbon tax and a Ford Super Duty Diesel costs more than $17 per fill up. For tractor-trailer trucks, it costs $45 in carbon taxes to fill up just one of those cylinder tanks with diesel. Canadians bought more than 40 billion litres of gasoline and more than 16 billion litres of diesel fuel in 2016. Multiply that volume by the carbon tax per litre and the government haul is crystal clear.

It gets worse, though, because even with the carbon tax costing Canadians billions of dollars, it’s still not reducing emissions, according to environmentalists leading the carbon-tax charge. In January, the Sierra Club reported on the B.C. experiment: “emissions were higher in 2015 than in 2010 and have risen in four of the last five years. B.C.’s latest emissions data mark years of failure to reduce emissions by more than a token amount.” If taking billions of dollars away from Canadians doesn’t reduce emissions, then, what is the point of this forced carbon tax?

If taking billions of dollars away from Canadians doesn’t reduce emissions, then, what is the point of this forced carbon tax?


When the forced federal carbon tax is set at $50 per tonne in 2022, that means that gasoline will have a carbon tax of 11.63 cents per litre. Will that be enough? Not according to the Environment Canada bureaucrats who told Environment Minister Catherine McKenna that the country needs a carbon tax of $100 per tonne by 2020 and a tax of $300 per tonne by 2050 to meet the government’s promises under the Paris climate agreement. That would be 23 cents per litre on gas in 2020 and then 70 cents per litre by 2050 — about $50 extra in today’s money to fill up the family sedan.

People need to use oil and gas. The carbon tax doesn’t make people “reduce their use” of this modern lifeblood, it just costs them a lot of money while not stopping the emissions. Our economy and our modern way of life depend on oil and gas. We use them to run our power stations, till our soil, plant our food, mine our minerals, mill our wood, heat our greenhouses, manufacture all of our goods and haul those goods and food to market.

We use oil and gas products to travel to school, work and the beach. Planes, automobiles and transit buses all use oil and gas, and they were manufactured and shipped to us using oil and gas. All of these actions of everyday life depend upon the miracle of hydrocarbons, so, the carbon tax is a tax on everything.

Carbon taxes don’t just make gasoline more expensive, they make life much more expensive.
https://business.financialpost.com/opin ... Qd9XmmILfk

Carbon taxes in North America are not revenue neutral. At least governments are starting to be honest about that fact.

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Unread postPosted: November 14th, 2019, 10:15 am 
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Uh oh, a fib was told by the carbon tax advocates.

The Department of Finance cited a study published in the Canadian Journal Of Agricultural Economics looking at the implementation of the carbon tax in British Columbia that “found no evidence that the carbon tax is associated with any meaningful effect on agricultural trade.”

However, emails reveal Department of Agriculture

staff claim: “The fact sheet says the paper found ‘no evidence’ when in fact the paper claims it found ‘little evidence’. That’s an important distinction, and I think misquoting the paper undermines the argument.”

When a Department of Agriculture manager found out about the mistake they sent a message to colleagues that read, “I hadn’t checked that but you’re right. That’s a doozy!”

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Unread postPosted: November 14th, 2019, 12:55 pm 
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seoulbro wrote:
Uh oh, a fib was told by the carbon tax advocates.

The Department of Finance cited a study published in the Canadian Journal Of Agricultural Economics looking at the implementation of the carbon tax in British Columbia that “found no evidence that the carbon tax is associated with any meaningful effect on agricultural trade.”

However, emails reveal Department of Agriculture

staff claim: “The fact sheet says the paper found ‘no evidence’ when in fact the paper claims it found ‘little evidence’. That’s an important distinction, and I think misquoting the paper undermines the argument.”

When a Department of Agriculture manager found out about the mistake they sent a message to colleagues that read, “I hadn’t checked that but you’re right. That’s a doozy!”

There has been a few fibs pro carbon taxers have told about BC's carbon tax.

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Unread postPosted: November 14th, 2019, 1:52 pm 
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Do not let progs tell you carbon tax grabs have no negative effect on agriculture.

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Unread postPosted: November 14th, 2019, 2:59 pm 
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A carbon tax makes the essentials of living more expensive.

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I stick to the five basic food groups: barrel wash, kolbassa, perogies, cabbage rolls, and more barrel wash.

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