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Unread postPosted: September 9th, 2019, 8:05 am 
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The article also says this,...

quote: "Eight years ago, while researching who was behind an unscientific, misinformation campaign against farmed Canadian salmon, Krause “came across these three little words: oil sands Campaign” in the tax forms of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund (which, ironically, made its billions from oil and gas)."

As a conservationist myself, false information about the environment worries me. Actually it GREATLY upsets me.

Both sides of politics are known to corrupt information.


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Unread postPosted: September 9th, 2019, 7:20 pm 

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caskur wrote:
The article also says this,...

quote: "Eight years ago, while researching who was behind an unscientific, misinformation campaign against farmed Canadian salmon, Krause “came across these three little words: oil sands Campaign” in the tax forms of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund (which, ironically, made its billions from oil and gas)."

As a conservationist myself, false information about the environment worries me. Actually it GREATLY upsets me.

Both sides of politics are known to corrupt information.

I believe you are a genuine conservationist..

The international billionaires trying to keep Canada's oil from competing with OPEC, the USA, and Russia are not.


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Unread postPosted: September 9th, 2019, 9:05 pm 
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Fashionista wrote:
caskur wrote:
The article also says this,...

quote: "Eight years ago, while researching who was behind an unscientific, misinformation campaign against farmed Canadian salmon, Krause “came across these three little words: oil sands Campaign” in the tax forms of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund (which, ironically, made its billions from oil and gas)."

As a conservationist myself, false information about the environment worries me. Actually it GREATLY upsets me.

Both sides of politics are known to corrupt information.

I believe you are a genuine conservationist..

The international billionaires trying to keep Canada's oil from competing with OPEC, the USA, and Russia are not.

The global environmental movement is about consolidating money and power. Particularly as it relates to climate change. But, I do not question caskur's commtment to the cause.

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Unread postPosted: September 24th, 2019, 3:11 pm 

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At the macro level, I do not trust the environmental movement. I don't trust large scale top down NGO's.

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Unread postPosted: October 3rd, 2019, 11:26 am 
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Your “green energy” may not be so green after all: rare earth elements used in solar panels and wind turbines are highly polluting

Renewable energy is taking the world by storm, as “greenies” everywhere welcome with open arms the latest iterations of solar panels, wind turbines, and other “clean” energy alternatives to traditional fossil fuels like coal. But one of the things that many people who believe in “green energy” fail to realize is that many of their favorite technologies require the use of so-called rare earth minerals and other elements that involve dirty mining and slave-like labor conditions.
A bulk of the world’s rare earth elements (REEs) comes from two places: China and Africa. Chinese REEs account for 95 percent of the world’s supply, and reports indicate that the situation isn’t pretty. Not only is the extraction of these minerals the exact opposite of “green” and “clean,” but the folks tasked with performing the labor – and those who end up encountering much of the polluting byproducts – represent some of the world’s most vulnerable.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-01-04- ... rigin.html

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Unread postPosted: October 9th, 2019, 10:20 am 
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Wind and solar are neither green more sustainable. They are stone age technologies.

By Pierre Desrochers, a senior fellow at the Fraser Institute.

Wind and solar — the myth of ‘green’ energy

These days, wind and solar power are constantly depicted as desirable “energy alternatives” to fossil fuels, but many Albertans and Canadians are unaware of their environmental impacts.

Sure, the blanketing of scenic coastlines with skyscraper-size wind turbines are rather obvious, but turbine construction and installation also depends on fossil fuels.

There’s the diesel-powered heavy equipment, which clears sites, digs foundations, transports components and assembles them.

The coal or natural-gas-fired kilns that bake the concrete, additional coal to forge steel for foundations and towers, and the hydrocarbon-based fiberglass for their blades.

Solar panels also affect the environment in similar ways, be it extracting resources for their manufacture and transportation, devoting land to their installation, and maintaining, decommissioning and ultimately disposing of them.

And crucially, there’s no adequate storage technology for the electricity wind and solar produce.

As noted in a recent study published by the Fraser Institute, most renewable energy capacity in Canada comes from wind turbines, which produce very little electricity even when there’s adequate wind.

Hundreds if not thousands of them (and all their concrete, steel and other materials) are required to produce as much electricity as a single coal, natural gas or nuclear-powered plant.

Moreover, standalone turbines must connect by powerlines to the electricity grid, which obviously requires much more infrastructure than when electricity is generated in a single power plant.

(And to preserve their “green image,” powerlines are often buried, adding considerably to the cost and environmental impact.)

Because of the need to produce electricity when the wind and the sun are not blowing or shining adequately, other power sources, often new natural gas-powered plants, must be turned on and off — and ramped up or down — when required. However, the challenges and costs of “balancing” a grid by keeping gas-powered plants idling so they can be brought online always result in the suboptimal utilization of expensive assets — in other words, greater wear-and-tear and maintenance costs, and unnecessary additional CO2 emissions.

This being said, wind and solar power has provided politicians with an excuse to dispense favours — including taxpayer-funded subsidies and tax preferences to a supposedly “green” industry — while appearing to do something for the environment.

And yet, despite more than two decades of massive subsidies, tax preferences and purchasing mandates from governments, wind and solar power still represent barely more than a rounding error of global energy production.

In jurisdictions where renewables enjoyed strong but ill-considered political support, consumers and taxpayers now face much higher electricity bills and less-reliable power.

And despite promises to the contrary, countries such as Germany, which have significantly increased wind and solar electricity production, have seen no meaningful reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

In the end, however, politicians cannot defy the laws of physics and economics.

The promise of wind and solar power will always clash with the need for electricity that is low cost and reliable.

That’s why voters routinely punish politicians who pursue flawed renewable energy policies across Canada and beyond.

Rising electricity costs due to increased wind and solar power damage the economy by making businesses that consume significant volumes of electricity less competitive and by leaving less money in the pockets of consumers.

Far from being a miracle cure-all for the shortcomings of conventional power generation, wind and solar power exaggerate the symptoms they pretend to address.

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Unread postPosted: October 10th, 2019, 6:30 am 

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Wind and solar usually mean higher electricity costs.


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Unread postPosted: October 10th, 2019, 7:18 pm 
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Renewable energy companies, industries, and advocates are notorious for hiding, minimizing, obfuscating, or misrepresenting their environmental and human health impacts. They demand and receive exemptions from health and endangered species laws that apply to other industries. They make promises they cannot keep about being able to safely replace fossil fuels that now provide over 80% of U.S. and global energy.

A few articles have noted some of the serious environmental, toxic/radioactive waste, human health, and child labor issues inherent in mining rare-earth and cobalt/lithium deposits

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Unread postPosted: November 14th, 2019, 1:22 pm 
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Old Herman sure as hell doesn't want some big waste of land wind farm near my farm.

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-envi ... OR-yyV7swc
Since mid-October, some 128 people on the island of Oahu have been arrested while protesting a wind energy project being built near the small village of Kahuku. The project is planned to include eight turbines standing 568 feet high. Many of the arrests occurred after protesters blocked trucks carrying equipment to the site. The protests continued on Nov. 1, when about 30 anti-wind protesters occupied the office of Honolulu Mayor Kirk Caldwell for three hours.

The refusal of all-renewable advocates to consider the cartoonish land requirements of their schemes and how those plans are affecting ordinary people in rural areas is perhaps the single biggest disconnect in the current energy debate. How cartoonish? Last year, two Harvard researchers found that meeting current U.S. electricity needs with wind would require covering a land area twice the size of California with wind turbines. That’s beyond Looney Tunes.

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Unread postPosted: November 15th, 2019, 12:02 pm 

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Old Herman sure as hell doesn't want some big waste of land wind farm near my farm.

https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-envi ... OR-yyV7swc
Since mid-October, some 128 people on the island of Oahu have been arrested while protesting a wind energy project being built near the small village of Kahuku. The project is planned to include eight turbines standing 568 feet high. Many of the arrests occurred after protesters blocked trucks carrying equipment to the site. The protests continued on Nov. 1, when about 30 anti-wind protesters occupied the office of Honolulu Mayor Kirk Caldwell for three hours.

The refusal of all-renewable advocates to consider the cartoonish land requirements of their schemes and how those plans are affecting ordinary people in rural areas is perhaps the single biggest disconnect in the current energy debate. How cartoonish? Last year, two Harvard researchers found that meeting current U.S. electricity needs with wind would require covering a land area twice the size of California with wind turbines. That’s beyond Looney Tunes.

Wind is so expensive, and inefficient. It requires a massive land footprint for a small amount of energy. It's wasteful.

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Unread postPosted: November 23rd, 2019, 5:25 pm 
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Canada wants to copy Europe's expensive failures.

https://stopthesethings.com/2019/03/13/ ... ZOhs5iduCk
Europe’s Wind Industry Faces Total Collapse: No New Wind Farms Built Since 2017

RE zealots tout rapidly increasing wind power capacity as ‘success’. Except, in Europe a dozen countries haven’t erected a single turbine during 2018, and that coincides with a massive slowdown in construction elsewhere.

As you tread your way through the following article, be sure to ignore the usual rubbish about this wind farm ‘powering’ hundreds of thousands of homes. What they meant to say, of course, is that – on those rare occasions when wind conditions are perfect – and the turbines are actually operable, heavily subsidised wind power will knock conventionally generated electricity out of the market, for a few hours at a stretch. Until calm weather sets in and coal, gas, hydro and nuclear picks up the tab, once again.

Propaganda aside, the message from the article is pretty clear: with an almost total collapse in new construction, the wind industry has had its heyday in Europe.

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