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#201 Unread post by kiebers » May 19th, 2020, 10:51 am

I've learned that if someone asks you a really stupid question and you reply by telling them what time it is, they'll leave you alone

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#202 Unread post by Fashionista » May 19th, 2020, 12:11 pm

I don't trust the American death rates caused by COVID-19.

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#203 Unread post by seoulbro » May 19th, 2020, 12:47 pm

Drug Combo with Hydroxychloroquine Promising: NYU Study

NEW YORK - Researchers at NYU's Grossman School of Medicine found patients given the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine along with zinc sulphate and the antibiotic azithromycin were 44 percent less likely to die from the coronavirus.

"Certainly we have very limited options as far as what we have seen work for this infection so anything that may work is very exciting," said Dr. Joseph Rahimian, Infectious Disease Specialist at NYU Langone Health.

The study looked at the records of 932 COVID-19 patients treated at local hospitals with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

More than 400 of them were also given 100 milligrams of zinc daily.

Researchers said the patients given zinc were one and a half times more likely to recover, decreasing their need for intensive care.

One theory is that hydroxychloroquine may aid a cell’s ability to absorb the zinc which has antiviral properties and responds to the infection.

"It sort of boosts the zinc activity which is one of the reasons we thought to look at zinc here and in this observational study we did see a difference suggesting that maybe that boosting activity of the hydroxychloroquine with the zinc helps the zinc to work better and lead to a benefit," Rahimian said.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ne ... -19-deaths

Hydroxychloroquine along with zinc sulphate and the antibiotic azithromycin seem promising.
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#204 Unread post by Herman » May 19th, 2020, 1:47 pm

seoulbro wrote:Drug Combo with Hydroxychloroquine Promising: NYU Study

NEW YORK - Researchers at NYU's Grossman School of Medicine found patients given the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine along with zinc sulphate and the antibiotic azithromycin were 44 percent less likely to die from the coronavirus.

"Certainly we have very limited options as far as what we have seen work for this infection so anything that may work is very exciting," said Dr. Joseph Rahimian, Infectious Disease Specialist at NYU Langone Health.

The study looked at the records of 932 COVID-19 patients treated at local hospitals with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

More than 400 of them were also given 100 milligrams of zinc daily.

Researchers said the patients given zinc were one and a half times more likely to recover, decreasing their need for intensive care.

One theory is that hydroxychloroquine may aid a cell’s ability to absorb the zinc which has antiviral properties and responds to the infection.

"It sort of boosts the zinc activity which is one of the reasons we thought to look at zinc here and in this observational study we did see a difference suggesting that maybe that boosting activity of the hydroxychloroquine with the zinc helps the zinc to work better and lead to a benefit," Rahimian said.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ne ... -19-deaths

Hydroxychloroquine along with zinc sulphate and the antibiotic azithromycin seem promising.
Something tells me the American media will bury this.
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#205 Unread post by Fashionista » May 20th, 2020, 10:40 pm

Dr Theresa Tam finally advises wearing masks.

Canadians should wear masks as an 'added layer of protection,' says Tam

Canada's chief public health officer says Canadians should wear a mask as an "added layer of protection" whenever physical distancing is not possible.

Dr. Theresa Tam provided the updated advice during her daily news conference in Ottawa today.

"For the spring and summer months, strict adherence to the public health basics of physical distancing, handwashing and cough etiquette must continue as the bare minimum," she said.

"In addition, where COVID-19 activity is occurring, use of non-medical masks or face coverings is recommended as an added layer of protection when physical distancing is difficult to maintain. And staying home when sick is a must, always and everywhere."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/masks- ... -1.5576895

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#206 Unread post by cc » May 22nd, 2020, 1:46 pm

What We Can Learn From Coronavirus Per Capita Death Rates

he main takeaway from the massive disparities in death rates so far is their regional patterns.

Six months into the global coronavirus pandemic, and more than two months into the widespread lockdowns of American public life, we have lots and lots of data. But what have we learned? The hard data we have today remains flawed, and it can tell us a lot more about the “where” of the pandemic than the “why.”

But just knowing the “where” is a start. One of the chief lessons we can take is the difficulty of comparing very different regions of the world. America isn’t South Korea or New Zealand, and never could have been.

Another is quite how uniquely bad the situation in the New York metro area has been. (Note "Outside NY lower down in chart)

We’re No. 30! Go Canada!

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China stopping all flights from Hubei province into other parts of China .. while at the same time sending planeloads (100s of 1,000s of people) into the West from Hubei .. while lying that virus did not go human to human .. was a deliberate act of war

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#207 Unread post by Herman » May 22nd, 2020, 2:30 pm

Nothing in that graph means anything. None of those countries knows their actual number of infected. The US death rate is pure exaggerated bullshit.
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#208 Unread post by iron horse jockey » May 22nd, 2020, 6:01 pm

cc wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 1:46 pm
What We Can Learn From Coronavirus Per Capita Death Rates

he main takeaway from the massive disparities in death rates so far is their regional patterns.

Six months into the global coronavirus pandemic, and more than two months into the widespread lockdowns of American public life, we have lots and lots of data. But what have we learned? The hard data we have today remains flawed, and it can tell us a lot more about the “where” of the pandemic than the “why.”

But just knowing the “where” is a start. One of the chief lessons we can take is the difficulty of comparing very different regions of the world. America isn’t South Korea or New Zealand, and never could have been.

Another is quite how uniquely bad the situation in the New York metro area has been. (Note "Outside NY lower down in chart)

We’re No. 30! Go Canada!

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These numbers are temporary. Another wave is coming and all these rankings could change.
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#209 Unread post by Fashionista » May 23rd, 2020, 2:54 pm

Herman wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 2:30 pm
Nothing in that graph means anything. None of those countries knows their actual number of infected. The US death rate is pure exaggerated bullshit.
Dr Birx has acknowledged the American death numbers from COVID is higher than what is reported.

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#210 Unread post by cc » May 23rd, 2020, 5:29 pm

That has to be. Many are sick but don't report.

Some don't know they have it - some die at home with no reporting of covid-positive

I don't fault authorities on that one - They can know only what they know

Science and authorities are both working away with so little accurate info to work with . . and no way to get good info


With that all in mind, BC is trying hard to beat that with a VERY extensive survey. So far around 300,000 have completed it.
At the end you have the option of being "continuing" and can get check yes for an antibody test once widely available

BC is trying very hard - Problem as I see it is is that those whose info is most needed are the least likely to complete it
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#211 Unread post by Herman » May 23rd, 2020, 10:03 pm

cc wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 5:29 pm
That has to be. Many are sick but don't report.

Some don't know they have it - some die at home with no reporting of covid-positive

I don't fault authorities on that one - They can know only what they know

Science and authorities are both working away with so little accurate info to work with . . and no way to get good info


With that all in mind, BC is trying hard to beat that with a VERY extensive survey. So far around 300,000 have completed it.
At the end you have the option of being "continuing" and can get check yes for an antibody test once widely available

BC is trying very hard - Problem as I see it is is that those whose info is most needed are the least likely to complete it
Fash is talking about deaths. People are dying of emphysema in the US for example and it's being reported as COVID related. I like what the democRAT governor of Colorado is doing. His state is now making the distinction between dying with COVID and dying from it.
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#212 Unread post by cc » May 23rd, 2020, 11:21 pm

So was I

I don't like that idea at all. We've been down this road before.

If something causes something else to happen, it's guilty whatever the "end" cause may be - i.e. the person would be alive had they not got the virus. Calling it otherwise is bullshit .. agenda bullshit

I call that what it is .. Splitting hairs / using legalese to support agenda

Of course if they have no virus, it's should be called whatever it is .. but if the virus caused "it" to happen, another ballgame

And separately, many die at home with no report of virus .. those do not even go in the count

Everyone is interpreting / using science to suit their agenda
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#213 Unread post by iron horse jockey » May 24th, 2020, 1:12 am

Oh, I get it. In the US, if your arteries are clogged, they cancel your stent surgery because hospitals are now for serious stuff like people with a cough, you die from a massive heart attack but, incidentally test positive, it's COVID. :crazy:
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#214 Unread post by cc » May 24th, 2020, 10:53 am

You really distorted my words and meaning .. grossly in fact .. and shot off in a totally different direction - this is what I meant with "Everyone is interpreting / using science to suit their agenda"

I'll say it again differently. If one becomes virus-positive .. and that virus causes pneumonia (or many other of its potential symptoms) .. then the cause / culprit of the person's problem is the virus, not any symptoms the virus brought on

Put conversely, attempting to say the "cause is the symptom" is in effect saying no one is ill from the virus, and that they are only ill of the symptoms ... Using that logic, is in effect saying there are no illnesses or deaths from the virus .. none .. zero
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#215 Unread post by Fashionista » May 24th, 2020, 11:56 am

cc wrote:
May 24th, 2020, 10:53 am
You really distorted my words and meaning .. grossly in fact .. and shot off in a totally different direction - this is what I meant with "Everyone is interpreting / using science to suit their agenda"

I'll say it again differently. If one becomes virus-positive .. and that virus causes pneumonia (or many other of its potential symptoms) .. then the cause / culprit of the person's problem is the virus, not any symptoms the virus brought on

Put conversely, attempting to say the "cause is the symptom" is in effect saying no one is ill from the virus, and that they are only ill of the symptoms ... Using that logic, is in effect saying there are no illnesses or deaths from the virus .. none .. zero
I understand what you're saying cc..

But, the USA has reported many causes of death as COVID-19 when it wasn't..

Even a senior American public health official has acknowledged that.

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#216 Unread post by Herman » May 26th, 2020, 5:07 pm

Fashionista wrote:
May 23rd, 2020, 2:54 pm
Herman wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 2:30 pm
Nothing in that graph means anything. None of those countries knows their actual number of infected. The US death rate is pure exaggerated bullshit.
Dr Birx has acknowledged the American death numbers from COVID is higher than what is reported.
NYT Issues Correction After Coronavirus Death List Includes Suspected Homicide Victim
https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/24/new- ... utzZ1FrH9w
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#217 Unread post by Fashionista » June 1st, 2020, 7:00 am

I hope these trials are successful and this proves to be an effective COVID-19 treatment.

Could a simple gas produced by our bodies be used to treat COVID-19? Canadian trials underway

TORONTO -- In the race to find an effective, low-cost treatment for COVID-19, a powerful molecule that has long captured the attention of medical researchers is gaining popularity.

Nitric oxide, a two-part nanomolecule made in the cells that line the blood vessels, is being examined as an experimental treatment for the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. Studies show it plays a role in helping to relax blood vessels and open the airways in the lung -- critical in treating those with advanced cases.

Among the companies vying to harness this naturally produced gas is a Canadian firm that is experimenting with using nitric oxide nasal spray or mouth gargles that may help those at a high risk of becoming infected from contracting COVID-19 in the first place.

SaNOtize Research has been given a $400,000 grant from the National Research Council and is now conducting phase two of a clinical trial on people at high risk for contracting COVID-19, including front-line workers, and those with mild symptoms of the disease.

The trial, which started in British Columbia, is being expanded to participants in Quebec come June 1, with talk of an Ontario-based study in the near future.

“It’s really important we get this trial done as soon as possible and then we can work with regulatory authority, then we can turn it around in three to four months,” Chris Miller, SaNOtize Chief Scientific Officer, told CTV News.

Nitric Oxide has many properties -- it’s produced by cells that line our blood vessels to helps control blood pressure and open the airways in the lung, allowing more oxygen to be absorbed.

But researchers have also found nitric oxide has a antibacterial and antiviral effect.

SaNOtize's nasal spray is designed to “disinfect” your upper airway using nitric oxide. Initial tests of the company's product suggest that the spray inactivated more than 99.9 per cent of SARs-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, within two minutes during laboratory tests.

“You’re using a hand sanitizer to disinfect your hands. It’s a similar idea, but instead of a hand sanitizer, it’s a nasal spray to disinfect your upper airway,” SaNOtize CEO Gilly Regev told CTV Vancouver.

With no confirmed therapeutic treatment for COVID-19, researchers around the world have turned their attention to the molecule once dubbed “molecule of the year.”

Discovered in the 1980s, nitric oxide is already approved for use in helping improve oxygen levels in premature babies and is used in some cardiac procedures and drugs for erectile dysfunction.

One of the studies suggesting it may have potential as a tool against COVID-19 is a report by Dr. Roham Zamanian, a pulmonologist at Stanford Health Care in California. His team gave nitric oxide to a woman suffering from pulmonary arterial hypertension who had also developed COVID-19.

Doctors treated her at home, adding the gas to her oxygen supply.

Over the course of 11 days, the patient improved and didn’t need hospital care.

We saw an improvement in her symptoms, we saw an improvement in her ability to walk distances over six minutes, which is our usual test of cardiopulmonary reserve,” Zamanian told CTV News.

“We were able to document that she was feeling better and better as we provided her with the nitric oxide, until day 15, 16 where we want to begin to wean the medication off.”

Her recovery encouraged Zamanian so much that his centre is now launching a study of inhaled nitric oxide in hospitalized patients and those recovering at home

Another study is underway at the University Health Network in Toronto to see whether high dose inhaled nitric oxide given in hospital can reduce levels of the virus and improve breathing in COVID-19 patients on ventilators.

Scientists in Boston and Louisiana are also giving several hundred severely ill patients nitric oxide, with preliminary results expected in the coming weeks. Several devices that produce nitric oxide have also been given the green light for testing in the U.S.

Researchers say side effects from the gas are minimal and they hope to have more data on the various approaches later this year, before the expected second wave of the disease.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavir ... -1.4962611

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#218 Unread post by iron horse jockey » June 1st, 2020, 8:50 am

A nasal spray treatment. :thumbup:
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#219 Unread post by Fashionista » June 1st, 2020, 1:04 pm

iron horse jockey wrote:
June 1st, 2020, 8:50 am
A nasal spray treatment. :thumbup:
Wouldn't it be terrific if it was available over the counter in the coming months.

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#220 Unread post by seoulbro » June 1st, 2020, 2:34 pm

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