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The Middle East Peace Process

Started by Gaon, November 25, 2018, 08:17:12 PM

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Gaon

Quote from: "Bricktop"
Quote from: "Gaon"it must be admitted that in creating the artificial states of Iraq, Syria and to some extent, Jordan,


Israel is equally artificial.



That said, so are many nations. Israel is no different to America, Australia, Canada, and other nations transplanted by colonialism.



The entire middle east is a trainwreck, ruined by greedy colonial powers that based their foreign relations on white superiority.



There will be no peace, because there will be no peace between arab and muslim States.



The only thing that will settle things is World War 3.

At the time of the Balfour declaration the number of Jews living in Israel was between 80,000 and 90,000. What most people don't know is that these Jews had already established a de facto Jewish National Home.



The Jews, some of whom had lived in the land for centuries, had established this de facto state without the assistance of any colonial or imperialist powers. Instead, they relied on their own hard work, building infrastructure and cultivating land they'd legally purchased.



The Balfour Declaration did not establish a Jewish state. It was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.
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Bricktop

There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

Gaon

Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.
The Russian Rock It

Bricktop

And aborigines are the original Australians. And Canadians. And Americans. And New Zealanders.



Originality clearly is no basis for governing.



Britain had no intent to create a sovereign nation, and for good reason.



I remind you that it was Jewish terrorism that caused the British to withdraw and leave the Jewish population free reign to take command of the land and ultimately fill it with their own kind.



That is not a birthright. That is colonisation.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.

I blame mohammad for the muddle east shunning modernity.

Gaon

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.

I blame mohammad for the muddle east shunning modernity.

That's part of it. But, the reason that Islam became a powerful force is because of French and British stupidity.
The Russian Rock It

Bricktop


Anonymous

Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.

I blame mohammad for the muddle east shunning modernity.

That's part of it. But, the reason that Islam became a powerful force is because of French and British stupidity.

Does Turkey bear any responsibility Gaon?

Gaon

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.

I blame mohammad for the muddle east shunning modernity.

That's part of it. But, the reason that Islam became a powerful force is because of French and British stupidity.

Does Turkey bear any responsibility Gaon?

Are Trump and Netanyahu hated by the mass media.
The Russian Rock It

Anonymous

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Gaon"
Quote from: "Bricktop"There was never an intent by the colonial powers to create a Jewish state.



Jews saw the opportunity and exploited it. The fact that a handful of Jews had lived there for centuries did not justify the creation of a State on that basis alone.



Jews seized the moment, and enacted a strategic plan to build Zion, on the presumption that the indigenous people, like the Australian and Canadian aborigines, the indigenous American natives, the African natives, Irish catholics and other colonised people would be easily quelled.



Israel is colonised territory, just as we are. The difference is that you built your colony in the belly of the beast. Our tribulations with the original occupants are minor by comparison to Israel's.



The point is that Israel had no more right to existence than Australia, Canada, the US and our counterparts all over the world. Our forebears simply took land that in their view was not being utilised by the inhabitants.

The Balfour Declaration was an endorsement by the British government of a Jewish protectorate. An endorsement they abandoned upon taking control of the land. They then began doing everything they could to prevent the establishment of a Jewish State.



And Jews are the original Palestinians.

I blame mohammad for the muddle east shunning modernity.

That's part of it. But, the reason that Islam became a powerful force is because of French and British stupidity.

Does Turkey bear any responsibility Gaon?

Hell yes. The collapse of the secularist/multi religionist Ottoman empire left a huge vacuum. Political islam is one of the thins that has filled the hole left behind by Turkey.

Anonymous

Australia OKS West Jerusalem as capital



SYDNEY — Australia has decided to formally recognize west Jerusalem as Israel's capital, but won't move its embassy until there's a peace settlement between Israel and the Palestinians, Prime Minister Scott Morrison announced Saturday.



Morrison said in a speech that Australia would recognize east Jerusalem as Palestine's capital only after a settlement has been reached on a two-state solution.



The Australian embassy won't be moved from Tel Aviv until such a time, he said.



While the embassy move is delayed, Morrison said his government would establish a defence and trade office in Jerusalem and would also start looking for an appropriate site for the embassy.



"The Australian government has decided that Australia now recognizes west Jerusalem, as the seat of the Knesset and many of the institutions of government, is the capital of Israel," Morrison said.



He said the decision respects both a commitment to a two-state solution and long-standing respect for relevant UN Security Council resolutions.



Australia becomes the third country to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital, following the U.S. and Guatemala.

Bricktop

Well, we won't be moving house any time soon.



There will never be a two State solution. Arabs are incapable of managing even a single State.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Bricktop"Well, we won't be moving house any time soon.



There will never be a two State solution. Arabs are incapable of managing even a single State.

They don't even want their own country. Israel would stop paying for all their critical infrastructure. Their rich Gulf state allies won't pick up the tab either.

Anonymous

Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Well, we won't be moving house any time soon.



There will never be a two State solution. Arabs are incapable of managing even a single State.

They don't even want their own country. Israel would stop paying for all their critical infrastructure. Their rich Gulf state allies won't pick up the tab either.

I wonder if a new Palestinian state would receive any aid from the oil rich Gulf states.

 ac_umm

Anonymous

Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Bricktop"Well, we won't be moving house any time soon.



There will never be a two State solution. Arabs are incapable of managing even a single State.

They don't even want their own country. Israel would stop paying for all their critical infrastructure. Their rich Gulf state allies won't pick up the tab either.

I wonder if a new Palestinian state would receive any aid from the oil rich Gulf states.

 ac_umm

Military aid, yes. Development aid, not a chance. They have no interest in a prosperous happy nation bordering Israel.