The border wall and other large infrastructure projects

[Bricktop]

More Americans are blaming Trump rather than the Democratic congress for the shutdown, so I do not see congress making any deal with the president.

I thought he still had the public on his side.



We'll soon find out. He will have no other option but to declare a state of emergency.

[Anonymous]

More Americans are blaming Trump rather than the Democratic congress for the shutdown, so I do not see congress making any deal with the president.

I thought he still had the public on his side.



We'll soon find out. He will have no other option but to declare a state of emergency.

There will be political consequences for that too.

[Wazzzup]

More Americans are blaming Trump rather than the Democratic congress for the shutdown, so I do not see congress making any deal with the president.

I thought he still had the public on his side.



We'll soon find out. He will have no other option but to declare a state of emergency.

There will be political consequences for that too.

I think those would probably be over quickly.  Trump would appropriate the money.  The government would re-open, and no one would even know the money was spent.  The dems and the media would wail and gnash their teeth about it, but they would do that anyway.



I'ts sad that the American people don't really get what is going on.  For literally years the democrats have gotten everything they wanted. They've done that by threatening shutdown after shutdown. They are really the ones that refuse to compromise, and as they love to say, "throw a tantrum" and shut down the government when they don't get their way on everything.  And they will continue to use this threat again and again with impunity knowing the media will always cover for them.



This should have been done two years ago when it would have been much easier.

[Wazzzup]

More Americans are blaming Trump rather than the Democratic congress for the shutdown, so I do not see congress making any deal with the president.

Does that surprise anyone. The media hates Trump.

No doubt the mainstream media is nothing but a constant anti-Trump campaign commercial running 24/7.



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According to authorities in Israel the wall there works extremely well.



Israel says illegal immigration has been completely halted. According to The Jerusalem Post, illegal immigration dropped from 9,500 in the six months before the wall was completed to 36 -- and eventually to zero. And drug smuggling has been dramatically reduced, too.

If it can work there, why not in the US?

I thought most of Israel's illegal migrants came from Africa.

A lot are from Eritrea and Sudan who entered Israel through Egypt.. Some are from the Philippines, China, Romania, Russia and Georgia who overstayed visas. The Netanyahu government is cracking down on illegals and deporting them.[/quote]  How are the Sudanese and Eritreans getting in through Egypt, are they getting past the barriers or are they being let in?

[Anonymous]

By Walter E Williams



The politics of immigration



Here are a couple of easy immigration questions — answerable with a simple "yes" or "no" — we might ask any American of any political stripe: Does everyone in the world have a right to live in the U.S.? Do the American people have a right, through their elected representatives, to decide who has the right to immigrate to their country and under what conditions? I believe that most Americans, even today's open-borders people, would answer "no" to the first question and "yes" to the second.



There's nothing new about this vision. Americans have held this view throughout our history, during times when immigration laws were very restrictive and when they were more relaxed. Tucker Carlson, host of Fox News Channel's "Tucker Carlson Tonight," gives us an interesting history lesson about immigration at Prager University.



It was prompted by his watching a group of protesters who were denouncing President Donald Trump's immigration policies. They were waving Mexican flags and shouting, "Si, se puede!" ("Yes, we can!")



Unbeknownst to the protesters, the expression "Si, se puede" was a saying of Cesar Chavez's. When Chavez, the founder of the United Farm Workers union, used the expression "Yes, we can," he meant something entirely different: "Yes, we can" seal the borders. He hated illegal immigration. Chavez explained, "As long as we have a poor country bordering California, it's going to be very difficult to win strikes." Why? Farmers are willing to hire low-wage immigrants here illegally. Chavez had allies in his protest against the hiring of undocumented workers and lax enforcement of immigration laws. Included in one of his protest marches were Democratic Sen. Walter Mondale and a longtime Martin Luther King Jr. aide, the Rev. Ralph Abernathy.



Peaceful protest wasn't Chavez's only tool. He sent union members into the desert to assault Mexicans who were trying to sneak in to the country. They beat the Mexicans with chains and whips made of barbed wire. Undocumented immigrants who worked during strikes had their houses firebombed and their cars burned. By the way, Chavez remains a leftist hero. President Barack Obama declared his birthday a commemorative federal holiday, an official day off in several states. A number of buildings and student centers on college campuses and dozens of public schools bear the name Cesar Chavez.



Democrats have long taken stances against both legal and illegal immigration. In 1975, California Gov. Jerry Brown opposed Vietnamese immigration, saying that the state had enough poor people. He added, "There is something a little strange about saying 'Let's bring in 500,000 more people' when we can't take care of the 1 million (Californians) out of work."



In his 1995 State of the Union address, President Bill Clinton said: "All Americans ... are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers." On a 1994 edition of CBS' "Face the Nation," Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-calif., declared: "Border control is a federal responsibility. We simply don't enforce our borders adequately. In my state, you have about 2,000 people a day, illegally, who cross the border. Now, this adds up to about 2 million people who compete for housing, who compete for classroom space."



She added: "In 1988, there were about 3,000 people on Medicaid. There're well over 300,000 (people on Medicaid) today who are illegal aliens. That presents obvious problems." Tucker Carlson has a fourpart explanation for the Democratic Party's changing position on illegal immigration. He says, "One: According to a recent study from Yale, there are at least 22 million illegal immigrants living in the United States. Two: Democrats plan to give all of them citizenship. Read the Democrats' 2016 party platform. Three: Studies show the overwhelming majority of firsttime immigrant voters vote Democrat. Four: The biggest landslide in American presidential history was only 17 million votes.



Do the math. The payoff for Democrats: permanent electoral majority for the foreseeable future. In a word: power."

[Gaon]

How are the Sudanese and Eritreans getting in through Egypt, are they getting past the barriers or are they being let in?

There's also infiltrators from Ivory Coast, Nigeria and Ethiopia.



They pay Bedouin smugglers to take them to the border between Egypt and Israel. About 85% of illegals are men.



To contain the illegal entry of people, construction of the Egypt-Israel barrier commenced in 2012 and was completed in 2015. About 55.000 entered Israel through Egypt between mid to late 2000's up to completion of the main section of the barrier in 2015. Since the entire fence was completed in 2015, the number of illegal crossings dropped to 16 in 2016.



Don't let anyone tell you man made barriers at borders don't work.

[Wazzzup]

How are the Sudanese and Eritreans getting in through Egypt, are they getting past the barriers or are they being let in?

There's also infiltrators from Ivory Coast, Nigeria and Ethiopia.



They pay Bedouin smugglers to take them to the border between Egypt and Israel. About 85% of illegals are men.



To contain the illegal entry of people, construction of the Egypt-Israel barrier commenced in 2012 and was completed in 2015. About 55.000 entered Israel through Egypt between mid to late 2000's up to completion of the main section of the barrier in 2015. Since the entire fence was completed in 2015, the number of illegal crossings dropped to 16 in 2016.



Don't let anyone tell you man made barriers at borders don't work.

Agreed 100%



Also BTW, that entire post is the model of a good argument IMO--you stated your evidence, and then the obvious conclusion based on that evidence.  Well done. No wonder you fit in so well here.

[Anonymous]

How are the Sudanese and Eritreans getting in through Egypt, are they getting past the barriers or are they being let in?

There's also infiltrators from Ivory Coast, Nigeria and Ethiopia.



They pay Bedouin smugglers to take them to the border between Egypt and Israel. About 85% of illegals are men.



To contain the illegal entry of people, construction of the Egypt-Israel barrier commenced in 2012 and was completed in 2015. About 55.000 entered Israel through Egypt between mid to late 2000's up to completion of the main section of the barrier in 2015. Since the entire fence was completed in 2015, the number of illegal crossings dropped to 16 in 2016.



Don't let anyone tell you man made barriers at borders don't work.

Agreed 100%



Also BTW, that entire post is the model of a good argument IMO--you stated your evidence, and then the obvious conclusion based on that evidence.  Well done. No wonder you fit in so well here.

Gaon is a terrific guy.