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Poll finds one in four Albertans favour separating from Canada — nearly equal to rate in Quebec

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The percentage of Albertans favouring separation from Canada is 25 per cent, a number that nearly rivals that in Quebec, says a new poll.



While the Abacus Data poll of 1,500 adults from July 12 to 17 shows 28 per cent of Quebecers favour breaking ties with the rest of the country, the 25 per cent of Albertans is 79 per cent higher than the national average of 14 per cent.



"Not in my lifetime did I expect to see Alberta almost as much as Quebec in separatism sentiment," said Abacus Data's David Coletto, who also noted that outlook in Quebec has been on the downslide in recent years.



Unhappiness over perceived Ottawa-borne obstacles to the energy industry is key to that disillusionment, he said.



That's reflected in poll numbers that show 46 per cent of Albertans believe climate change requires immediate action, compared to 57 per cent of Canadians.



"When you have a government in Ottawa that's seen as being very aggressive on climate change, you can see why a small group of people in Alberta see that as diametrically opposed to their interests," said Coletto.



Albertans also take a dimmer view of immigration and business regulation than do Canadians generally, he added.



"There's a state of anxiousness of people in the province, that what's happening in Ottawa doesn't reflect their needs," he said.



Politicians' wrangling over national unity and their economic-based threats might add fuel to that fire, said Coletto.



It's a phenomenon that stretches back to the late 1970s, he said, during Alberta's squabbles with Ottawa over control of the country's energy resources.



"It seems to be cyclical — public opinion can be moved quite easily when political leaders engage," said Coletto.



When questioned if being part of Canada is good for their province, 29 per cent of respondents in both Alberta and Saskatchewan said no, compared to 16 per cent nationwide and 24 per cent in Quebec.



Conservative voters were more likely to express dissatisfaction with the idea of remaining in Confederation with 17 per cent leaning towards separatism, while only five per cent of Liberal supporters said the same.



In Alberta, 38 per cent of UCP voters expressed separatist sentiment while among NDP supporters, that number was just six per cent.



That higher support for separatism in Alberta and Saskatchewan might influence the federal Conservatives' approach to the upcoming national election, said Coletto.



The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 2.6 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/a-quarter-of-albertans-favour-separating-from-canada-says-poll/wcm/475c2676-d0e4-4626-9cee-31a9a25184f4">https://vancouversun.com/news/local-new ... a9a25184f4">https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/a-quarter-of-albertans-favour-separating-from-canada-says-poll/wcm/475c2676-d0e4-4626-9cee-31a9a25184f4



I do not blame the people of Alberta and Saskatchewan. They are getting a raw deal from Ottawa.

Anonymous

There's a lot of frustration with the federal government in this province..



Albertans don't mind paying more than our fair share, but this government works against our economic interests..



They don't do this to any other provinces besides Alberta and Saskatchewan, and they do for selfish reasons.....winning votes in Quebec and the West coast.


Anonymous

I have lived half of my life outside of Canada. But, in the times that I have been in Canada, I have never seen such anger with Ottawa as I do now.

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I have to ask what this meme has to do with Western alienation?

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I have to ask what this meme has to do with Western alienation?






Common enemies unite a divided peoples, duh. Joos, Mexicans whatev.
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Hello Snowflakes4Trump and welcome..



I have to ask what this meme has to do with Western alienation?






Common enemies unite a divided peoples, duh. Joos, Mexicans whatev.

Again, what does this have to do with Trudeau throwing Western Canada under the bus to win votes in Quebec and the West coast?


Gaon

Quote from: "seoulbro"The percentage of Albertans favouring separation from Canada is 25 per cent, a number that nearly rivals that in Quebec, says a new poll.



While the Abacus Data poll of 1,500 adults from July 12 to 17 shows 28 per cent of Quebecers favour breaking ties with the rest of the country, the 25 per cent of Albertans is 79 per cent higher than the national average of 14 per cent.



"Not in my lifetime did I expect to see Alberta almost as much as Quebec in separatism sentiment," said Abacus Data's David Coletto, who also noted that outlook in Quebec has been on the downslide in recent years.



Unhappiness over perceived Ottawa-borne obstacles to the energy industry is key to that disillusionment, he said.



That's reflected in poll numbers that show 46 per cent of Albertans believe climate change requires immediate action, compared to 57 per cent of Canadians.



"When you have a government in Ottawa that's seen as being very aggressive on climate change, you can see why a small group of people in Alberta see that as diametrically opposed to their interests," said Coletto.



Albertans also take a dimmer view of immigration and business regulation than do Canadians generally, he added.



"There's a state of anxiousness of people in the province, that what's happening in Ottawa doesn't reflect their needs," he said.



Politicians' wrangling over national unity and their economic-based threats might add fuel to that fire, said Coletto.



It's a phenomenon that stretches back to the late 1970s, he said, during Alberta's squabbles with Ottawa over control of the country's energy resources.



"It seems to be cyclical — public opinion can be moved quite easily when political leaders engage," said Coletto.



When questioned if being part of Canada is good for their province, 29 per cent of respondents in both Alberta and Saskatchewan said no, compared to 16 per cent nationwide and 24 per cent in Quebec.



Conservative voters were more likely to express dissatisfaction with the idea of remaining in Confederation with 17 per cent leaning towards separatism, while only five per cent of Liberal supporters said the same.



In Alberta, 38 per cent of UCP voters expressed separatist sentiment while among NDP supporters, that number was just six per cent.



That higher support for separatism in Alberta and Saskatchewan might influence the federal Conservatives' approach to the upcoming national election, said Coletto.



The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 2.6 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/a-quarter-of-albertans-favour-separating-from-canada-says-poll/wcm/475c2676-d0e4-4626-9cee-31a9a25184f4">https://vancouversun.com/news/local-new ... a9a25184f4">https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/a-quarter-of-albertans-favour-separating-from-canada-says-poll/wcm/475c2676-d0e4-4626-9cee-31a9a25184f4



I do not blame the people of Alberta and Saskatchewan. They are getting a raw deal from Ottawa.

What seems astonishing is that one part of Canada can block exports from another part of Canada.
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You must be that Cindybeenmarxist meme muppet. Your spam is about as welcome here as it was at SG.

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Anonymous

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Quote from: "seoulbro"The percentage of Albertans favouring separation from Canada is 25 per cent, a number that nearly rivals that in Quebec, says a new poll.



While the Abacus Data poll of 1,500 adults from July 12 to 17 shows 28 per cent of Quebecers favour breaking ties with the rest of the country, the 25 per cent of Albertans is 79 per cent higher than the national average of 14 per cent.



"Not in my lifetime did I expect to see Alberta almost as much as Quebec in separatism sentiment," said Abacus Data's David Coletto, who also noted that outlook in Quebec has been on the downslide in recent years.



Unhappiness over perceived Ottawa-borne obstacles to the energy industry is key to that disillusionment, he said.



That's reflected in poll numbers that show 46 per cent of Albertans believe climate change requires immediate action, compared to 57 per cent of Canadians.



"When you have a government in Ottawa that's seen as being very aggressive on climate change, you can see why a small group of people in Alberta see that as diametrically opposed to their interests," said Coletto.



Albertans also take a dimmer view of immigration and business regulation than do Canadians generally, he added.



"There's a state of anxiousness of people in the province, that what's happening in Ottawa doesn't reflect their needs," he said.



Politicians' wrangling over national unity and their economic-based threats might add fuel to that fire, said Coletto.



It's a phenomenon that stretches back to the late 1970s, he said, during Alberta's squabbles with Ottawa over control of the country's energy resources.



"It seems to be cyclical — public opinion can be moved quite easily when political leaders engage," said Coletto.



When questioned if being part of Canada is good for their province, 29 per cent of respondents in both Alberta and Saskatchewan said no, compared to 16 per cent nationwide and 24 per cent in Quebec.



Conservative voters were more likely to express dissatisfaction with the idea of remaining in Confederation with 17 per cent leaning towards separatism, while only five per cent of Liberal supporters said the same.



In Alberta, 38 per cent of UCP voters expressed separatist sentiment while among NDP supporters, that number was just six per cent.



That higher support for separatism in Alberta and Saskatchewan might influence the federal Conservatives' approach to the upcoming national election, said Coletto.



The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 2.6 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/a-quarter-of-albertans-favour-separating-from-canada-says-poll/wcm/475c2676-d0e4-4626-9cee-31a9a25184f4">https://vancouversun.com/news/local-new ... a9a25184f4">https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/a-quarter-of-albertans-favour-separating-from-canada-says-poll/wcm/475c2676-d0e4-4626-9cee-31a9a25184f4



I do not blame the people of Alberta and Saskatchewan. They are getting a raw deal from Ottawa.

What seems astonishing is that one part of Canada can block exports from another part of Canada.

Canada is a large country and provinces have a lot of autonomy.

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I have to ask what this meme has to do with Western alienation?






Common enemies unite a divided peoples, duh. Joos, Mexicans whatev.

Again, what does this have to do with Trudeau throwing Western Canada under the bus to win votes in Quebec and the West coast?




I'm sorry, I just don't have anything fresh  or original at the moment to counter a left handed non sequitur.
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Hello Snowflakes4Trump and welcome..



I have to ask what this meme has to do with Western alienation?






Common enemies unite a divided peoples, duh. Joos, Mexicans whatev.

Again, what does this have to do with Trudeau throwing Western Canada under the bus to win votes in Quebec and the West coast?




I'm sorry, I just don't have anything fresh  or original at the moment to counter a left handed non sequitur.

You don't have anything to add to this discussion and you don't want to either..



You don't even know what it's about.