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Started by cc, January 26, 2020, 09:18:38 PM

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15 million could die: Study



As coronavirus continues to spread around the world, a new report says that even in a best-case scenario, the outbreak could kill as many as 15 million people.



New modelling from the Australian National University examined seven scenarios of how the COVID-19 outbreak could affect 20 countries and four regions, including the OECD and Asia.



In the best-case scenario — or the one with the lowest severity — the researchers estimate more than 15 million people could die within the first year of the outbreak and a $2.4-trillion US loss to the global GDP.



In the worst-case scenario, the study says the death toll could surpass 68 million and the global GDP loss could be as high as $9 trillion.



In China alone, it estimates the number of deaths could hit 12 million, while its GDP in 2020 could suffer a $1.6-trillion loss.

I thought we were close to getting a vaccine?


I have heard two stories on vaccines. 1st was 9 months.... 2nd was 18 months.



All the vaccines will be give to health workers first anyway.

Somebody posted an article here about one week ago that said Israel was about three weeks away from a vaccine.


Nope, it takes longer than that.
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Anonymous

Here it is from February 27. They may have a vaccine in a couple of weeks, but it won't be available for at least 90 days.



Israeli scientists: 'In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'

Once the vaccine is developed, it will take at least 90 days to complete the regulatory process and potentially more to enter the marketplace.

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101">https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Is ... ine-619101">https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101

Anonymous

Sixteen million Italians or about one quarter of the population will be quarantined for one month.

cc

^^ and that's just as of today ... wow .. half Canada's total population



imagine when some not under quarantine come up with it .. forcing more quarantine



Question - did they ever find case 0? .. i.e. where it came from etc.?
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Thiel

Quote from: "cc"^^ and that's just as of today ... wow .. half Canada's total population



imagine when some not under quarantine come up with it .. forcing more quarantine



Question - did they ever find case 0? .. i.e. where it came from etc.?


Not yet, but they are looking.





The search for Patient Zero of coronavirus — and why it's so important

Discovering the origin story of coronavirus could help scientists and public health officials. But history shows it can be a complicated quest.



Chinese authorities do not currently know who was the first human carrier of COVID-19. However, officials think the first case was contracted at a seafood and animal market in Wuhan, the capital of Central China's Hubei province.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/485596-the-search-for-patient-zero-of-coronavirus-and-why-its-so-important">https://thehill.com/changing-america/48 ... -important">https://thehill.com/changing-america/485596-the-search-for-patient-zero-of-coronavirus-and-why-its-so-important
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cc

Not trying to be over dramatic, but there is a  military  bio lab not far from where they are saying it started



I guess I trust not a single word from China authorities .. they act only for their own advantage and fend off anything not to their advantage ..back  in a time warp
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"Not trying to be over dramatic, but there is a  military  bio lab not far from where they are saying it started



I guess I trust not a single word from China authorities .. they act only for their own advantage and fend off anything not to their advantage ..back  in a time warp

Most people believe it jumped from a live animal to humans at a market in Wuhan. Apparently it can jump from humans to animals. A dog in Hong Kong was diagnosed with canine coronavirus.

cc

True it can jump. That comes from one source and has spread and thus believed by many .. it is an assumption



Fly in the ointment is that one cannot trust the govt on anything .. it always plays the story that works best for itself



Thus, they set themselves up with valid reason for suspicion
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: "cc"True it can jump. That comes from one source and has spread and thus believed by many .. it is an assumption



Fly in the ointment is that one cannot trust the govt on anything .. it always plays the story that works best for itself



Thus, they set themselves up with valid reason for suspicion

I don't trust anything the Chinese government says.

cc

#535
Here's an article on the very subject of China motives and actions



Made In China: Coronavirus Chaos Could Have Been Avoided by Patrick Mendis Joey Wang



Given the absolute power of the Communist Party of China (CPC), the Wuhan authorities have controlled the dissemination of information for the fear of possible impacts on social order and political stability. It was hardly a surprise, therefore, that the CPC has been willing to mortgage the health of its citizens during this coronavirus debacle for the preservation of the system.



 

Indeed, while China has responded faster to the coronavirus epidemic than its SARS outbreak in 2002–03, the CPC has overlooked the inherent failure in its system as the authorities have continued to silence and punish those who deviate from official orthodoxy and reality. Even with the lessons of the SARS disaster, demonstrating the need for greater openness and responsibility, China has committed the same mistakes while expecting a different outcome.



The messenger:



The first mistake was shooting the messenger. Dr. Li Wenliang—a young ophthalmologist at the Central Hospital of Wuhan—had first shared his concerns on December 31, 2019, with a group of colleagues on WeChat. At the time, the coronavirus had not yet been identified. Li then warned his co-workers of the SARS-like symptoms that his patients were exhibiting, and encouraged them to adopt stricter measures to prevent contaminations in their hospitals.



This had all privately been shared to alert his colleagues. However, once screenshots began to circulate, they came to the attention of his superiors at the hospital. Li's reward for this simple act of professional vigilance was an order from the hospital authorities to write a letter of self-criticism. The local police also paid him a visit in the middle of the night, where they accused him of being one of eight people who had been spreading "false information" and who had "gravely disturbed social order."



Finally, Li was forced to respond affirmatively to the questions: "Can you stop your illegal behavior?" and "Do you understand you'll be punished if you don't stop such behavior?" His answers were signed and sealed by affixing his red thumbprint to the police report. With this restraining order, the virus was then allowed to continue spreading unabated for several more weeks. This pointed to the second mistake.



The Mandate of the Party:



Setting the stage for the perfect storm, the city of Wuhan had been preparing its annual mass banquet. To celebrate the twentieth anniversary, local organizers had attempted "to break a world record for the largest number of dishes served." The significance of this event cannot be overstated. For at least three weeks prior to the banquet on January 18, 2020, Wuhan authorities had been informed of the virus spreading in the city.



The SARS experience and common sense would have dictated taking immediate measures to protect public health. Instead, Wuhan authorities did the unthinkable: issuing orders to suppress the news and covering-up the gravity of the outbreak. Even after the World Health Organization (WHO) had declared a global health emergency on January 30, media outlets such as Xinhua were instructed to give the news of the coronavirus a positive spin and avoid mentioning the WHO declaration. By this time, the pathogen had already spread well beyond China.



One reason for the suppression of the news—as reported by the Financial Times—was that the mayor of Wuhan had declined the advice of health experts out of concern that measures to contain the disease "may hurt the local economy and social stability." This decision would have two escalatory effects. First, it accelerated the virulence of the virus, given the sheer number of people in close proximity. Second, it facilitated the spread of the virus around the world. The conclusion of the banquet ended with an exodus of some five million people from the city, which helped to transport the virus beyond Hebei province and Chinese national borders.



By January 29, the number of cases of the coronavirus had already risen to 7,700 cases worldwide and 170 deaths in China. The figures were likely very conservative, given the shortage of medical test kits at that time. On the same day, China's Supreme Court finally recognized that the Wuhan police should have been more "tolerant" of those sounding the alarm than accusing them of rumor-mongering. This was a lame gesture to the clear recognition of the facts on the ground. This points to the third mistake.



https://nationalinterest.org/feature/made-china-coronavirus-chaos-could-have-been-avoided-130422">//https://nationalinterest.org/feature/made-china-coronavirus-chaos-could-have-been-avoided-130422
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

cc

#536
The Mandate of Heaven Works



With the cover-up having now failed, China is slowly and begrudgingly admitting to the inadequacies of its critical response. The advance team from the WHO has only able to enter China as recently as February 10, and it is still unclear when the full WHO mission will deploy, or the latitude they will have to investigate the origins of this infection. The US Centers for Disease Control (CDC)—one of the world's most respected organizations and the most experienced first responders—has not even been invited to assist in the investigation.



To this degree of restriction and censorship, not to mention the potential threats to public health beyond the national borders, there has been a massive outcry not only over the silencing of Li Wenliang, but the government's mishandling of the entire crisis. In this context, one can only tremble at the thought of the estimated one million Chinese Uyghurs in the so-called "vocational training centers" or internment camps in the Xinjiang province. The exiled World Uyghur Congress had sounded the alarm over the risk of spreading the virus inside the camps. According to the Chinese official media, there are only 55 cases reported in Xinjiang.



Even if not actually complicit, the WHO at the very least must share some of the blame for the speed of the response. According to the Washington Post, even as the virus was spreading through Wuhan in January, the WHO's Director General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus was praising the "transparency" of the Chinese response, and giving the general impression that "China has got this."



Advice to the Party



The CPC keeps a vice-like grip on what is seen and heard in the country. In China, controlling the narrative is the sine qua non of Beijing's success of its leadership. Contagious diseases are, however, indifferent to religious and political ideologies. At a certain critical mass, the message is simply too ubiquitous to ignore or cover-up. To this point, it is reminiscent of the maxim—often been attributed to the nineteenth century German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer—that



"All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as self-evident."



By Patrick Mendis & Joey Wang ... Joey Wang is a defense analyst.

Both men are alumni of the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Thiel

Oh my God, using the virus to ethically cleanse the Uighurs.
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cc

https://www.foxnews.com/health/family-missouri-first-coronavirus-patient-broke-self-quarantine">Family of Missouri's first coronavirus patient broke self quarantine, attended school dance

The father of Missouri's first coronavirus patient disobeyed quarantine and went to a school dance with his other daughter on Saturday evening, officials said.



Villa Duchesne and Oak Hill School will close on Monday after administrators learned of the relationship between the patient and her younger sister -- who goes to Villa and attended the social gathering. The father and daughter also went to a pre-dance party which consisted of other students in the St Louis County area.



"If you attended the dance, please be attentive to any symptoms you are experiencing." a message by Villa Duchesne said.
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

caskur

Quote from: "cc"https://www.foxnews.com/health/family-missouri-first-coronavirus-patient-broke-self-quarantine">Family of Missouri's first coronavirus patient broke self quarantine, attended school dance

The father of Missouri's first coronavirus patient disobeyed quarantine and went to a school dance with his other daughter on Saturday evening, officials said.



Villa Duchesne and Oak Hill School will close on Monday after administrators learned of the relationship between the patient and her younger sister -- who goes to Villa and attended the social gathering. The father and daughter also went to a pre-dance party which consisted of other students in the St Louis County area.



"If you attended the dance, please be attentive to any symptoms you are experiencing." a message by Villa Duchesne said.


One little wretched shitstain was told to self quarantine, broke the order and went to work at two places in the food and beverage industry in Tasmania.



Time to lock them up.
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