Oil By Rail To Prince Rupert In Case Northern Gateway Fails?

[Odinson]

I´m being attacked for the same reason but I´m a white man and the target of my hate is blacks.

[Anonymous]

Odinson, please stop hijacking all discussions with personal grudges..



I can set up a separate subforum or thread just for you where you can release all your pent up anger at the members of Asian Canadian Corner.

Wanting to wipe out your husband and his entire race is ok?

Fuck you're nuttier than your Asian counterpart Hornung.

[Anonymous]

To bring this thread back on topic, here's an article by Ricky Leong on crude oil transportation. He epitomizes East Asian pragmatism.

No one can say they didn't see this coming.



With oil pipeline construction facing resistance from the green lobby, firms involved in the extraction and delivery of crude are seeking any way to get their goods to market.



It's pure economics: Alberta energy producers want to sell their products at the best possible price and make the highest possible return -- and they aren't able to.



In the last few months, the Alberta crude remains discounted compared to West Texas Intermediate by about $25 to $30 per barrel. By all accounts, this is mainly because Alberta oil has a harder time getting to market.



Taxpayers are feeling it, too: Lower prices means lower royalties for the province.



So with pipelines proposals everywhere tied up, you can understand why companies are eager to use whatever means are at their disposal to move their product.



An environmental group recently released documents that appear to show trains between northern Alberta and the port in Prince Rupert, B.C., as a backup for moving oilsands crude in case the Northern Gateway pipeline isn't built soon.



This would add to the growing number of trains linking the oilsands and the Great Plains to ports around the continent.



Although moving crude by train is more expensive than pipelines, recent reports indicate companies are slowly closing the gap.



For example, one cost-saving innovation in the works would allow companies to move crude in train tankers without having to dilute the oil first, as is generally the case now for rail and pipeline transportation.



Such advancements could make oil trains more popular. In some instances, however, they are losing their appeal.



Not surprising, given the deadly derailment and explosion in Lac Megantic, Que., which killed 47 people.



The Manitoba government, for example, is raising red flags about a plan to ship Alberta oils to Churchill, a port on Hudson Bay.



Despite assurances from the potential operator, Omnitrax, that it would follow regulations to the letter, there are concerns about what an oil train derailment would do to the environment, to First Nations communities and to the eco-tourism industry.



There are also worries about the company's safety record, as there've been more than 50 derailments on the Hudson Bay line in the last 10 years.



Meanwhile, Irving Oil in New Brunswick, which saw its main supply line cut after the Lac Megantic disaster, decided to move Bakken crude by oil tanker ship down the Hudson River from Albany to New York and up the Atlantic coast to Saint John.



Media reports indicate the lone ship making this trip will soon be joined by a second tanker, allowing for shipments of Bakken oil to arrive at Irving's refinery every four days.



Clearly, oil will get to where it needs to be.



Exxon Valdez didn't sink ocean tanker traffic; Deepwater Horizon didn't end offshore drilling; Kalamazoo didn't doom pipelines; Lac Megantic won't stop oil trains.

This is not to dismiss legitimate, local environmental concerns. Those need to be addressed. After all, there are no upsides for anyone when tankers run aground, pipelines leak or oil trains derail.



This is where green groups could shine: Acknowledge our need for oil, help people reduce consumption of crude-based products and aid in efforts to make petroleum transport safer.



Instead, what we have is obnoxious obstruction from hard-core environmentalists, making for self-serving photo ops and rousing political punditry but providing no real help to anyone. Truly, a disaster in the making.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/09/24/oil-will-always-find-a-way">http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/09/24/oi ... find-a-way">http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/09/24/oil-will-always-find-a-way

[Anonymous]

A no pipelines means a yes to trains.

OTTAWA - If Canadian oil can't get into a pipeline, it will find its way onto a train, says the country's natural resources minister.



"As the production increases we've got to build more pipelines to cope with the new capacity," Joe Oliver said. "To the extent that pipeline projects are delayed, shippers look at alternative ways of getting their product to market."



His comments follow reports that Chinese-owned Nexen is looking to team up with CN to ship crude from the Alberta oilsands to Prince Rupert, B.C.



The plans came to light after Greenpeace released Natural Resources Canada memos Monday, including a possible rail-based alternative to the Northern Gateway proposal to connect Alberta's oilsands with Kitimat, B.C.



There may be more fear than substance to the anti-oilsands activists' warnings, however, with Northern Gateway aiming to ship 550,000 barrels per day.



"That would require operating 10 trains of 100 cars a day roughly," Oliver said. "That's one train coming and going very hour. It obviously would need offloading facilities and so on."



Still, transporting oil by rail is increasing in Canada.



Oliver's officials said in the first four months of 2013, around 272,000 barrels per day of oil travelled by rail in Canada - up 77% from the same period in 2012.



Other demand for oil on the West Coast could come from media mogul David Black who wants to build a refinery in Kitimat, B.C.



Conservative MP Brian Jean, whose riding is home to oilsands activity, said oil trains are going to increase.



"I want to see oil carried by pipelines, but until we have the capacity to carry the oil by pipeline it's bluntly going to go on rail," Jean said.



NDP natural resources critic Peter Julian said that makes him nervous, especially when he thinks of the deadly summer explosion of oil-transporting rail cars in Lac Megantic, Que.



"(The) public's confidence in the Conservative government's ability to properly manage safety systems has been really tested," he said.



Julian accuses the Tories of trying to "skimp or cut back on safety protections," but Oliver disagrees.



"We've invested over $100 million for rail safety, we've increased fines for companies that break regulations and we've required rail companies to submit environmental management plans," he said.



A June study by the Manhattan Institute found that pipeline transport of oil is safer than rail.



The study found oil pipelines had only 0.58 serious incidents per billion ton-miles in the U.S., compared to 2.08 incidents for oil-carrying trains.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2013/09/20130923-183716.html">http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/po ... 83716.html">http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/politics/archives/2013/09/20130923-183716.html

[Odinson]

Odinson, please stop hijacking all discussions with personal grudges..



I can set up a separate subforum or thread just for you where you can release all your pent up anger at the members of Asian Canadian Corner.

Wanting to wipe out your husband and his entire race is ok?

Fuck you're nuttier than your Asian counterpart Hornung.

You said that you want us all killed... What the fuck!?



"I wish all whites would die."



I guess the colour gives you a poisoning...



You may play with your house nigger but you are not gonna play with me.

[Anonymous]

^^Nah, I just wish you would die.

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[Odinson]

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[Anonymous]

Bottleneck, what bottleneck?



If anybody has concerns about pipeline capacity from the oilsands out to the world, breathe easy.



In the last few weeks, the GO button has been pushed on four major new oilsands projects that will bring another 500,000 barrels per day (bpd) of bitumen on stream by 2017.



You think those dudes would invest the $10 billion or more it costs per mine, if they had the least doubt about getting their product to market? You think shareholders would approve?



Where there's a will, there's a way

Even without the Northern Gateway and Keystone XL pipeline projects, Canada's two biggest pipeline builders will add another 2 million bpd capacity within three to four years. TransCanada and Enbridge are expanding existing American pipelines and converting existing natural gas pipelines to send bitumen/crude oil to Eastern Canada for refining, domestic consumption or export.



Other companies are sniffing out new pipeline opportunities from the oilsands northwest to Alaska oil ports, northeast to the port of Churchill, Manitoba.



She has her faults, but no one has worked harder on the oil-transport file than Premier Alison Redford. She has lobbied Washington non-stop for the Keystone XL, brought about Canada-wide consensus on east-west oil pipelines, and now has B.C. Premier Christy Clark on board with support for the Northern Gateway.



Then there's rail



Do the math. Tanker trains can carry just as much oil as major pipelines.



One rail tanker = 700 barrels of oil; one tanker train (100 tankers @ 700) = 70,000 barrels; 10 trains a day (loaded at Edmonton, bound for Prince Rupert) = 700,000 barrels a day.



Of course it's safer to transport oil by pipeline – transfer points are the weakest links in the chain – and derailments are more frequent than pipe leaks. But when a train derails, usually just a few rail cars/tankers will rupture or leak. An undetected pipeline leak spouts oil until sealed. The likelihood of bitumen burning or exploding is near-impossible. It has an ignition point of 400C.



Greening of the oilsands



Here's the biggest environmental news out of the oilsands since Dr. Karl Clark figured out how to peel apart sand and bitumen using hot water and other agents.



And it's just plain being ignored.



Upgraders are now obsolete!



Imperial Oil's new Kearl Lake oilsands plant uses a new paraffinic froth treatment to produce bitumen of such quality that it needs no upgrading, can be shipped straight to a standard heavy-oil refinery.



If you care about the environment, and we all do, this is a game changer.



Not having to upgrade – the transforming of molasses-like bitumen into free-flowing crude oil – means less water use, less natural gas used to make oil, less greenhouse gas emissions.



With this process, Imperial Oil says oilsands oil is now just as clean as conventional oil.



No wonder Suncor pulled the plug on Voyageur

Last March, despite already investing some $3.5 billion, Suncor pulled the plug on its $11.6 billion Voyageur upgrader.



Now we know the real reason why. The new Suncor/Total Fort Hills mining operation will use the same paraffinic froth treatment as Kearl Lake. No upgrader is needed: Suncor's not so dumb as to keep spending billions, when billions more need not be spent.



Yes, upgrading is still needed for bitumen from existing mining operations. That's why the North West bitumen-to-diesel upgrader/refinery near Redwater is going ahead.



But imagine if the seven upgrader scenario around Fort Saskatchewan had gone ahead. They'd all be obsolete.



Best thing Canada can do for global warming: Export natural gas



The best thing Canada can do for the climate crisis is to produce more natural gas and get it to Asia to replace coal in Asian (i.e. Chinese) power plants.



So says the International Energy Agency's chief economist Fatih Birol. "Oilsands emissions are such a small contribution (to world GHG levels) compared to conventional coal," he said last week. "It is wrong to highlight the oilsands as a major contributor to CO2 emissions world-wide."



Carry on, Northern Alberta, carry on



As oilsands production grows at a manageable pace, the Edmonton region is assured of prosperity for decades to come.



Let's be proud of the environmental record: Ever-cleaner bitumen is being produced using less water and less energy.



We are emitting less pollution and less greenhouse gases than ever before. And this is an industry still in its infancy technology-wise.



The anti-fossil-fuel folks will never accept more fossil fuels, no matter how clean. It'd be like fundamental Christians embracing atheism.



We must carry on, let these ever-improving environmental facts speak for themselves.



Factoids (from Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers, Gov't of Alberta)



Oilsands production (2012):



1.8 million barrels per day (bpd); 1 million from mining, 800,000 from in-situ (underground).



Projected oilsands production by 2030



5.2 million bpd; 1.7 million from mining, 3.5 million from in-situ.



Recently announced new projects, startup timelines and additional supply:



Kearl Lake, Phase II, Imperial, mining, 110,000 bpd, by 2014



Fort Hills, Suncor/Total/Teck, mining, 180,000 bpd, by 2017



Carmon Creek, Shell, in-situ, 80,000 bpd, by 2018



Nabiye, Exxon, in-situ, 40,000 by 2015

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/21/hicks-on-biz-rah-rah-oilsands">http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/21/h ... h-oilsands">http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/21/hicks-on-biz-rah-rah-oilsands

[Anonymous]

More bad news for OPEC and their TIDES funded stooges.

Bottleneck, what bottleneck?



If anybody has concerns about pipeline capacity from the oilsands out to the world, breathe easy.



In the last few weeks, the GO button has been pushed on four major new oilsands projects that will bring another 500,000 barrels per day (bpd) of bitumen on stream by 2017.



You think those dudes would invest the $10 billion or more it costs per mine, if they had the least doubt about getting their product to market? You think shareholders would approve?



Where there's a will, there's a way

Even without the Northern Gateway and Keystone XL pipeline projects, Canada's two biggest pipeline builders will add another 2 million bpd capacity within three to four years. TransCanada and Enbridge are expanding existing American pipelines and converting existing natural gas pipelines to send bitumen/crude oil to Eastern Canada for refining, domestic consumption or export.



Other companies are sniffing out new pipeline opportunities from the oilsands northwest to Alaska oil ports, northeast to the port of Churchill, Manitoba.



She has her faults, but no one has worked harder on the oil-transport file than Premier Alison Redford. She has lobbied Washington non-stop for the Keystone XL, brought about Canada-wide consensus on east-west oil pipelines, and now has B.C. Premier Christy Clark on board with support for the Northern Gateway.



Then there's rail



Do the math. Tanker trains can carry just as much oil as major pipelines.



One rail tanker = 700 barrels of oil; one tanker train (100 tankers @ 700) = 70,000 barrels; 10 trains a day (loaded at Edmonton, bound for Prince Rupert) = 700,000 barrels a day.



Of course it's safer to transport oil by pipeline – transfer points are the weakest links in the chain – and derailments are more frequent than pipe leaks. But when a train derails, usually just a few rail cars/tankers will rupture or leak. An undetected pipeline leak spouts oil until sealed. The likelihood of bitumen burning or exploding is near-impossible. It has an ignition point of 400C.



Greening of the oilsands



Here's the biggest environmental news out of the oilsands since Dr. Karl Clark figured out how to peel apart sand and bitumen using hot water and other agents.



And it's just plain being ignored.



Upgraders are now obsolete!



Imperial Oil's new Kearl Lake oilsands plant uses a new paraffinic froth treatment to produce bitumen of such quality that it needs no upgrading, can be shipped straight to a standard heavy-oil refinery.



If you care about the environment, and we all do, this is a game changer.



Not having to upgrade – the transforming of molasses-like bitumen into free-flowing crude oil – means less water use, less natural gas used to make oil, less greenhouse gas emissions.



With this process, Imperial Oil says oilsands oil is now just as clean as conventional oil.



No wonder Suncor pulled the plug on Voyageur

Last March, despite already investing some $3.5 billion, Suncor pulled the plug on its $11.6 billion Voyageur upgrader.



Now we know the real reason why. The new Suncor/Total Fort Hills mining operation will use the same paraffinic froth treatment as Kearl Lake. No upgrader is needed: Suncor's not so dumb as to keep spending billions, when billions more need not be spent.



Yes, upgrading is still needed for bitumen from existing mining operations. That's why the North West bitumen-to-diesel upgrader/refinery near Redwater is going ahead.



But imagine if the seven upgrader scenario around Fort Saskatchewan had gone ahead. They'd all be obsolete.



Best thing Canada can do for global warming: Export natural gas



The best thing Canada can do for the climate crisis is to produce more natural gas and get it to Asia to replace coal in Asian (i.e. Chinese) power plants.



So says the International Energy Agency's chief economist Fatih Birol. "Oilsands emissions are such a small contribution (to world GHG levels) compared to conventional coal," he said last week. "It is wrong to highlight the oilsands as a major contributor to CO2 emissions world-wide."



Carry on, Northern Alberta, carry on



As oilsands production grows at a manageable pace, the Edmonton region is assured of prosperity for decades to come.



Let's be proud of the environmental record: Ever-cleaner bitumen is being produced using less water and less energy.



We are emitting less pollution and less greenhouse gases than ever before. And this is an industry still in its infancy technology-wise.



The anti-fossil-fuel folks will never accept more fossil fuels, no matter how clean. It'd be like fundamental Christians embracing atheism.



We must carry on, let these ever-improving environmental facts speak for themselves.



Factoids (from Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers, Gov't of Alberta)



Oilsands production (2012):



1.8 million barrels per day (bpd); 1 million from mining, 800,000 from in-situ (underground).



Projected oilsands production by 2030



5.2 million bpd; 1.7 million from mining, 3.5 million from in-situ.



Recently announced new projects, startup timelines and additional supply:



Kearl Lake, Phase II, Imperial, mining, 110,000 bpd, by 2014



Fort Hills, Suncor/Total/Teck, mining, 180,000 bpd, by 2017



Carmon Creek, Shell, in-situ, 80,000 bpd, by 2018



Nabiye, Exxon, in-situ, 40,000 by 2015

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/21/hicks-on-biz-rah-rah-oilsands">http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/21/h ... h-oilsands">http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/11/21/hicks-on-biz-rah-rah-oilsands