Oil By Rail To Prince Rupert In Case Northern Gateway Fails?

[Anonymous]

I knew this was coming and in fact it is already happening on smaller scale through Vancouver with CP. I believe Northern Gateway will never break ground but a pipeline carrying crude to either the Arctic or Alaska is inevitable. In the mean time, CN and CP will be hauling crude along more riverbeds than any pipeline.

CN Rail, at the urging of Chinese-owned Nexen Inc., is considering shipping Alberta bitumen to Prince Rupert, B.C., by rail in quantities matching the controversial Northern Gateway pipeline, documents show.



Internal memos obtained by Greenpeace under the Access to Information Act show the rail carrier raised the proposal last March with Natural Resources Canada.



"Nexen Inc. is reportedly working with CN to examine the transportation of crude oil on CN's railway to Prince Rupert, B.C., to be loaded onto tankers for export to Asia," states a departmental briefing note setting up the March 1 meeting.



An attached CN presentation paper notes that "CN has ample capacity to run seven trains per day to match Gateway's proposed capacity."



Greenpeace provided the documents to The Canadian Press.



The proposed Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline, which would carry crude oil to Kitimat, B.C., has met fierce opposition from First Nations and environmentalists.



Greenpeace researcher Keith Stewart said the CN rail pitch has the appearance of a "Plan B" in case Northern Gateway is blocked, but that it raises "the same or greater risks."



The horrific Lac-Megantic, Que., disaster in July, which claimed 47 lives when a train carrying crude oil derailed and exploded, has focused intense scrutiny on the burgeoning oil-by-rail industry.



Some 5.5 million litres of oil either burned or leaked into the environment in Lac-Megantic. The fire burned for four days.



A spokesman for CN Rail told The Canadian Press in an email that "no specific crude-by-rail project to Prince Rupert (was) discussed" at the March meeting with Natural Resources Canada.



The company "does not disclose publicly its commercial discussions with customers," Mark Hallman said in the email.



"CN will continue to explore new opportunities to move crude oil safely and efficiently to markets," Hallman wrote.



"The company will consider concrete crude-by-rail proposals, including any specific project to move crude to Prince Rupert. However, there is no infrastructure in place at Prince Rupert to transfer crude oil from train tank cars to vessels."



Hallman also noted it was the government that asked CN for the meeting, not the other way around.



Indeed, the documents obtained by Greenpeace show Ottawa was intensely interested in oil by rail, at least prior to the Quebec accident.



"NRCan is currently meeting with Transport Canada to mutually understand how rail could be part of a solution to current market access challenges," says an undated memorandum for Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver.



The memo describes rail as "an increasingly viable option" and states that carriers Canadian Pacific and CN "have indicated that the potential to increase rail movements of crude oil is theoretically unlimited."



Rail officials had indicated that a project to bring crude to port for tanker export "is likely in future."



A separate memo for International Trade Minister Ed Fast and Dennis Lebel, then the transport minister, assets that Transport Canada "has identified no major safety concerns with the increased oil on rail capacity in Canada, nor with the safety of tank cars ..."



The memo states that "transportation of oil by rail does not trigger the need for a federal environmental assessment" but notes that "proposals to construct new infrastructure to support the activity" may require an assessment under the Canadian Environmental Assessment Act.



The "Departmental Position" on oil by rail is entirely blacked out from the memo.



Greenpeace's Stewart said the Lac-Megantic tragedy revealed that federal safety regulations hadn't kept pace with the oil-by-rail boom.



"If the government or industry imagines they can use these regulatory loopholes to do an end-run around opposition to tar sands moving through those lands or waters, they will be in for a rude awakening," said Stewart.



Opposition in Canada to the Northern Gateway and in the United States to TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline has keyed on stopping or slowing development of Alberta's oilsands development.



The undated memo to Oliver, the natural resources minister, suggests that's wishful thinking.



"Despite difficulties related to new pipeline capacity, Canadian crude producers are unlikely to slow down production and will turn to rail to ensure their product reaches market," said the memo.



"To date, there hasn't been a project to bring crude by rail to port for tanker export, however rail officials indicate that such a project is likely in future."

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[Odinson]

Always about oil...



No1 reads your novels...

[Anonymous]

Always about oil...



No1 reads your novels...

Yes, Canada has heaps of oil and I am very interested in the economy. You on the other hand post repetitive puerile shit that no adult wants to read.

[Odinson]

Always about oil...



No1 reads your novels...

Yes, Canada has heaps of oil and I am very interested in the economy. You on the other hand post repetitive puerile shit that no adult wants to read.

Yea I´am interested in economy.



I´m only repetive because 110000 is too much for the pop. of 5,4 million finnish to handle.



It´s like keeping up an army with 3times the pay + the education and housing 24/7/365.



We are in debt yet our politicians are promising more money to hairy dwarves of greece and somalians.



We have no money and the fool Obama praises us like we are some kind of saints.

Over half of my salary goes to the government.



I have not said anything that you had already said.

[Anonymous]

Always about oil...



No1 reads your novels...

Yes, Canada has heaps of oil and I am very interested in the economy. You on the other hand post repetitive puerile shit that no adult wants to read.

Yea I´am interested in economy.



I´m only repetive because 110000 is too much for the pop. of 5,4 million finnish to handle.



It´s like keeping up an army with 3times the pay + the education and housing 24/7/365.



We are in debt yet our politicians are promising more money to hairy dwarves of greece and somalians.



We have no money and the fool Obama praises us like we are some kind of saints.

Over half of my salary goes to the government.



I have not said anything that you had already said.

Foreign aid is not what I meant.

[Odinson]

Yes, Canada has heaps of oil and I am very interested in the economy. You on the other hand post repetitive puerile shit that no adult wants to read.

Yea I´am interested in economy.



I´m only repetive because 110000 is too much for the pop. of 5,4 million finnish to handle.



It´s like keeping up an army with 3times the pay + the education and housing 24/7/365.



We are in debt yet our politicians are promising more money to hairy dwarves of greece and somalians.



We have no money and the fool Obama praises us like we are some kind of saints.

Over half of my salary goes to the government.



I have not said anything that you had already said.

Foreign aid is not what I meant.

Then what do you mean?

[Anonymous]

Trains and trucks haul products a lot more dangerous than oil or liquefied gas right through the heart of big cities.

[Odinson]

There´s a thing called the white mans burden which means the white man gets the blame for everything.



You are blaming the white man for everything... Why don´t you get off your fat ass and do something for a change...



Try using your head for something else than for sucking cocks you piece of shit human waste.

[Odinson]

Trains and trucks haul products a lot more dangerous than oil or liquefied gas right through the heart of big cities.

No shit matlock.

[Anonymous]

There´s a thing called the white mans burden which means the white man gets the blame for everything.



You are blaming the white man for everything... Why don´t you get off your fat ass and do something for a change...



Try using your head for something else than for sucking cocks you piece of shit human waste.

You pathetic immature, low class, no manners little punk. Fuck off, get cancer and die a slow excruciating death. In the mean time take your trolling over to the white homo forum where you belong.  



Obvious Li, I may change my mind about this fucking douch. Nobody likes him and he fucks up every decent discussion with his spam. I will talk to Fash about this because I will not stick around if this social misfit is allowed to wreck every single serious thread.

[Obvious Li]

There´s a thing called the white mans burden which means the white man gets the blame for everything.



You are blaming the white man for everything... Why don´t you get off your fat ass and do something for a change...



Try using your head for something else than for sucking cocks you piece of shit human waste.

You pathetic immature, low class, no manners little punk. Fuck off, get cancer and die a slow excruciating death. In the mean time take your trolling over to the white homo forum where you belong.  



Obvious Li, I may change my mind about this fucking douch. Nobody likes him and he fucks up every decent discussion with his spam. I will talk to Fash about this because I will not stick around if this social misfit is allowed to wreck every single serious thread.[/quote]





agreed..this dolt has become our Gambino...fucking up every thread...contributes nothing and openly states he hates this forum.....so say the word and i will whack the fucktard

[Odinson]

There´s a thing called the white mans burden which means the white man gets the blame for everything.



You are blaming the white man for everything... Why don´t you get off your fat ass and do something for a change...



Try using your head for something else than for sucking cocks you piece of shit human waste.

You pathetic immature, low class, no manners little punk. Fuck off, get cancer and die a slow excruciating death. In the mean time take your trolling over to the white homo forum where you belong.  



Obvious Li, I may change my mind about this fucking douch. Nobody likes him and he fucks up every decent discussion with his spam. I will talk to Fash about this because I will not stick around if this social misfit is allowed to wreck every single serious thread.

You fruits do not like to hear the truth...



Nothing you say is serious... Was our dick sucking story appropriate?

When you asked if I was hung was appropriate?



You are another case of a southern weakling saying shit and not suffering the consequences.



This ain´t spamming, you know where to find me...



Do you have any manners? Sucking cocks and wanting the death of an entire race because you fruits just can´t cut it.

[Odinson]

There´s a thing called the white mans burden which means the white man gets the blame for everything.



You are blaming the white man for everything... Why don´t you get off your fat ass and do something for a change...



Try using your head for something else than for sucking cocks you piece of shit human waste.

You pathetic immature, low class, no manners little punk. Fuck off, get cancer and die a slow excruciating death. In the mean time take your trolling over to the white homo forum where you belong.  



Obvious Li, I may change my mind about this fucking douch. Nobody likes him and he fucks up every decent discussion with his spam. I will talk to Fash about this because I will not stick around if this social misfit is allowed to wreck every single serious thread.[/quote]





agreed..this dolt has become our Gambino...fucking up every thread...contributes nothing and openly states he hates this forum.....so say the word and i will whack the fucktard

Whack me? You better grow some muscle to do that, old man...

[Anonymous]

Odinson, please stop hijacking all discussions with personal grudges..



I can set up a separate subforum or thread just for you where you can release all your pent up anger at the members of Asian Canadian Corner.

[Odinson]

Odinson, please stop hijacking all discussions with personal grudges..



I can set up a separate subforum or thread just for you where you can release all your pent up anger at the members of Asian Canadian Corner.

Wanting to wipe out your husband and his entire race is ok?