We achieved our goal with the lockdowns

[Anonymous]

When Canada went into lockdown, we had one goal in mind: flattening the curve and creating healthcare capacity. Thanks to the sacrifice of Canadians and the hard work of our first-responders, we've flattened that curve. Hospital admissions are on the decline around the country. We have healthcare capacity. Now, we must turn our attention to safely re-opening the economy.



There is no such thing as a non-essential small business. It is the engine that powers our economy.   85% of all jobs in Canada are created by small and medium-sized businesses. This shutdown has been great for Walmart, Amazon and Loblaws, but it has devastated small businesses.



We don't need a sprawling bureaucracy holding up the re-opening any longer than necessary.

[Anonymous]

When Canada went into lockdown, we had one goal in mind: flattening the curve and creating healthcare capacity. Thanks to the sacrifice of Canadians and the hard work of our first-responders, we've flattened that curve. Hospital admissions are on the decline around the country. We have healthcare capacity. Now, we must turn our attention to safely re-opening the economy.



There is no such thing as a non-essential small business. It is the engine that powers our economy.   85% of all jobs in Canada are created by small and medium-sized businesses. This shutdown has been great for Walmart, Amazon and Loblaws, but it has devastated small businesses.



We don't need a sprawling bureaucracy holding up the re-opening any longer than necessary.

We've done that in Alberta, so has BC, Saskatchewan and Manitoba..



What is the point of continuing these destructive lockdowns.....they were meant to be very temporary measures.

[Anonymous]

I am seeing a divide between older and younger people over when to reopen the economy. Most younger people want to end it tomorrow. The fifty plus crowd is more cautious.



The Seoul brother has a good point though. The reason for lockdowns was to prevent overwhelming hospitals. We have done that.

[Anonymous]

We may have to consider herd immunity while isolating the old and the sick.



The only way this ends: herd immunity

It has a bad rap, but in the long run it's our best hope.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/10/opinion/its-possible-flatten-curve-too-long/">https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/10/ ... -too-long/">https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/10/opinion/its-possible-flatten-curve-too-long/



while there is still a lot we don't know about COVID-19, including exactly how many people are or have been infected, epidemiologists believe that this virus won't begin to disappear until a far higher percentage of the population — at least 60 percent — develops immunity. If that doesn't happen with a vaccine, it has to happen through exposure.



For weeks, the most pressing policy challenge has been relieving the life-and-death pressure on our hospitals. But all that justifiable emphasis on flattening the curve may have created a dangerous illusion that we can get away with relatively small infection rates.



It's easy to forget that if a disease can't be contained — and it's too late for that in the COVID-19 pandemic — then there's only one possible ending to the story: We must collectively develop immunity to the disease. In lieu of a vaccine, that means most of us will need to be exposed to the virus, and some unknowably large number of us will die in the process.



This is the simple, scary math that Harvard epidemiologists Marc Lipsitch and his colleague Yonatan Grad have tried to convey in a series of recently published papers: If each person infected with COVID-19 disease in turn infects three more, as we now think, then in order to bring the disease to heel, Grad says, two of those people must already be immune. "If one person can only spread the disease to one other person, the virus is no longer an epidemic," he says.

[Anonymous]

Limiting infection rates is only a stop gap measure. We really need a vaccine. Since that won't happen soon, we may start to consider herd immunity.

[Anonymous]

Limiting infection rates is only a stop gap measure. We really need a vaccine. Since that won't happen soon, we may start to consider herd immunity.

Or we may get it without even trying.



https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-antibodies-widespread-in-santa-clara.html">https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus ... clara.html">https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-antibodies-widespread-in-santa-clara.html

Way more people may have gotten coronavirus than we thought, small antibody study suggests



Between 50 and 85 times as many people in Santa Clara County have coronavirus antibodies as have tested positive for the virus.

[kiebers]

Between 50 and 85 times as many people in Santa Clara County have coronavirus antibodies as have tested positive for the virus.

Exactly what I have been saying. No telling where it will end up after all the data is in. LA county was 28-55% more and could get bigger when all the data is finally in. Based on New York states results so far, 12.5% of the states population shows antibodies, roughly 2.5 million.

[caskur]

When Canada went into lockdown, we had one goal in mind: flattening the curve and creating healthcare capacity. Thanks to the sacrifice of Canadians and the hard work of our first-responders, we've flattened that curve.

What graph is flattening?



According to this you haven't sustained any "flattening" of anything yet.



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/">https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/canada/">https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/

[cc]

To demonstrate  if decreasing or not, numbers are relative to previous numbers  ..

curves which your link does show this are lower down the page



Here's another look - Unfortunately most charts here are not images

https://www.macleans.ca/society/health/coronavirus-in-canada-these-charts-show-how-our-fight-to-flatten-the-curve-is-going/">https://www.macleans.ca/society/health/ ... -is-going/">https://www.macleans.ca/society/health/coronavirus-in-canada-these-charts-show-how-our-fight-to-flatten-the-curve-is-going/



Further good data is within link



This one I can reproduce - it represents increases



https://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/CORONAVIRUS-CHART-MAY4-02-768x768.png">

[caskur]

You're kidding yourselves if you think you are flattening...



SB says, "Hospital admissions are on the decline around the country", that is because hospitals are probably telling people to go home to die.



Canada yesterday = 1,298 new cases and 172 new deaths in Canada



WA has no deaths in the last week...

[cc]

WA, being where my daughter lives 30 miles away .. and the state itself is only a mile or 2 away from me, and thus is one that I have been listing since  March 14



It also was the 1st one hit in N America (a horrid incident in Care Home outside of Seattle woke everyone up)



It is doing extremely well for a while now



My Province BC is doing quite well, but not as good as Wa



Canada as a whole has slowed a bit .. but not near as much as I had presumed it would via some lock downs



It's all in the numbers over time and I have each day totals since March 14 to today for Canada, US, BC, Wa and Sweden



My chart is a good way to keep track of trends but curves make trends into no brainers



Had I done it in a spreadsheet instead of text pages I could have made curves  



Do you have a good daily WA source? I'm having trouble getting updates quickly



EDIT - Oh, you mean your WA .....   ac_blush ... @ me .. I'm a bit slow on the uptake today

[Anonymous]

You're kidding yourselves if you think you are flattening...



SB says, "Hospital admissions are on the decline around the country", that is because hospitals are probably telling people to go home to die.



Canada yesterday = 1,298 new cases and 172 new deaths in Canada



WA has no deaths in the last week...

No idiot, it's because they don't need to be hospitalized. It's a virus, not cancer.

[Anonymous]

As for lockdowns, it's true it was a temporary measure. I went out for patio cafe coffee. We will get a spike in cases in the future, but so what. As long as we don't overwhelm the healthcare system.

[caskur]

You're kidding yourselves if you think you are flattening...



SB says, "Hospital admissions are on the decline around the country", that is because hospitals are probably telling people to go home to die.



Canada yesterday = 1,298 new cases and 172 new deaths in Canada



WA has no deaths in the last week...

No idiot, it's because they don't need to be hospitalized. It's a virus, not cancer.

Um... so why was Boris hospitalized IHJ?



And why did these married doctors die of the Chinese Virus IJH?



Ontario husband and wife with COVID-19 die within days of each other



https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/ontario-husband-and-wife-with-covid-19-die-within-days-of-each-other-1.4883050">https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavir ... -1.4883050">https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/ontario-husband-and-wife-with-covid-19-die-within-days-of-each-other-1.4883050

[cc]

Hey IH. You know I love ya ... but please save insult words for the MANY cases and clunkers where they are earned & appropriate



Cascur is always gentle and a very good and very smart informative poster ... a great addition to our group