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We achieved our goal with the lockdowns

Started by Anonymous, May 04, 2020, 10:03:56 PM

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Anonymous

There will probably be a second wave, but the response can't be a return to lock downs.

Vancouver

We have a very strong Asian community here.



Early efforts by Chinese community to curb COVID-19 should be 'applauded', says B.C. doctor  



Comments come as B.C.'s city with highest number of Chinese reports lowest infection rates on Lower Mainland

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5600943">https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5600943

The Chinese community's early efforts to stop the spread of COVID-19 in B.C. appear to have paid off, despite some of its members being stigmatized because of the virus, say infectious disease doctors.



Data recently released by the province shows Richmond, B.C., the city with the highest concentration of Chinese residents in the province, as having the lowest percentage of cases on the Lower Mainland, where the bulk of B.C.'s cases reside.



According to the latest census, 54.4 per cent of Richmond residents identify as having a Chinese background. B.C's latest COVID-19 geographic data shows the city has had the lowest percentage of cases, with just 444 per million residents, compared to 832 in Vancouver.



There have also been no new active cases in Richmond since May 18. It's the only part of the Lower Mainland where that is the case.



"Whether that is a direct impact of early distancing and early aggressive manoeuvres on behalf of the [Chinese] community, it's impossible to say but clearly there is an association there," says Dr. Srinivas Murthy, co-chair of the World Health Organization's clinical research committee on COVID-19.



UBC infectious diseases specialist, Dr. Peter Phillips said the "evidence is pretty clear" that the community "showed great leadership." Many members of the community adopted measures such as self-isolation and face masks before they were mandated.



Phillips points to other regions around the world with large Chinese communities as examples of similar success.



In Prato, which is home to Italy's largest Chinese population, at 25 per cent, health officials credit the community for bringing down the town's infection rate to half the Italian average after many Chinese residents voluntarily isolated themselves weeks before authorities mandated it.



As of the end of March, a top state health official for the area said no Chinese resident there had contracted the virus.



In B.C., Ian Young, the South China Morning Post's Vancouver correspondent, noted the early, self-imposed measures by the Chinese community.



In February, when health authorities said the province's risk for transmission was still low, he pointed out that popular Chinese malls like Richmond's Aberdeen Centre were already sitting empty.



A mall representative who spoke to CBC News at the time said business had dropped by 30 per cent and nearby restaurants were down about 50 per cent as the community chose to stay home.
Time is malleable

Anonymous


Anonymous

The past week has seen protests in our streets far larger than the size of group gatherings allowed by provinces.



It would be hard for officials to demand everyone else stay home after letting such large gatherings go ahead.



Meanwhile, one thousand physicians in Quebec have signed an open letter to their government calling for the restrictions to be eased on children.



"The healthy development of children involves fostering relationships, playing with other children, bonding with educators, etc. We are very concerned these measures will have a negative impact on the physical and mental health of children and adolescents," Dr. Suzanne Vaillancourt, associate director of pediatric emergency medicine at the Montreal Children's Hospital, and one of the lead authors of the open letter, told the Montreal Gazette on Sunday.



These are important points. There are negative health consequences to letting the restrictions stick around for longer than is necessary.



The good news is Canadians across the country all now starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Anonymous

More of life returns to normal on Friday here in Alberta..



Hopefully, K-12 schools will resume in September.



Coronavirus: Stage 2 of Alberta relaunch takes effect Friday, earlier than expected



"Alberta is accelerating our relaunch strategy further to open our economy... On June 12, Stage 2 will go into effect."



Kenney said Stage 2 involves the reopening of several businesses and organizations, including public libraries, wellness services, most personal services, movie theatres, community halls and sports teams.



K-12 schools will also be able to reopen for diploma exams and summer schools.



Kenney also noted that participation numbers for indoor gatherings, including weddings and funerals have been raised to 50 people, as long as physical distancing is maintained.



"Outdoor events and indoor seated meetings, plus entertainment and sport, conferencing and public events, can have up to 100 people," Kenney added.



Some activities originally planned for Stage 3 of the relaunch have also been moved forward to be incorporated in Stage 2, including indoor recreation, fitness and sports facilities which includes gyms and pools, Kenney announced on Tuesday.



"Friends and families from different households can choose to form cohorts of up to 15 people," Alberta's chief medical officer of health Dr. Deena Hinshaw added.



A cohort group is a small group of people whose members do not always keep two metres apart. However, Alberta Health says everyone is encouraged to follow public health guidelines and notify others in the cohort if they have symptoms or test positive for COVID-19. If they do test positive or have symptoms, mandatory isolation is required.



"We have made it to Stage 2 earlier than expected because we remained vigilant."





The 50 per cent capacity limit for restaurants, bars, lounges and cafes will also been lifted in Stage 2, however, these facilities will still have a limit of six people per table, Kenney said.


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Anonymous

QuoteThe 50 per cent capacity limit for restaurants, bars, lounges and cafes will also been lifted in Stage 2, however, these facilities will still have a limit of six people per table

That is good news. I read that restaurants across Canada are losing money and in danger of closing with the fifty per cent capacity rule.

Vancouver

Today I had lunch at a big restaurant with my family. Had to go through temperature check. There was this computer that scanned my face. I was standing a foot away. Not sure how it read my temperature.
Time is malleable

Anonymous

Quote from: Vancouver post_id=365463 time=1591750510 user_id=65
Today I had lunch at a big restaurant with my family. Had to go through temperature check. There was this computer that scanned my face. I was standing a foot away. Not sure how it read my temperature.

It's not a requirement though?

Anonymous

Quote from: "Shen Li" post_id=365464 time=1591753799 user_id=56
Quote from: Vancouver post_id=365463 time=1591750510 user_id=65
Today I had lunch at a big restaurant with my family. Had to go through temperature check. There was this computer that scanned my face. I was standing a foot away. Not sure how it read my temperature.

It's not a requirement though?

Maybe for employees, but not customers.

cc

I think that's good. Temp check for everyone is simple quick and not a bad idea.



It's not 100 as can take days to become symptomatic, but what's to lose?



Did they give you a choice Vancouver?
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=365482 time=1591759321 user_id=88
I think that's good. Temp check for everyone is simple quick and not a bad idea.



It's not 100 as can take days to become symptomatic, but what's to lose?



Did they give you a choice Vancouver?

Have you went out for a meal since they opened restaurants ceec?

cc

No.



I'm paranoid because of having had severe pneumonia just as this was about to start here. Been in serious "protect" mode.



Sad as a lazy meal @ our favorite spot is one of our favorite times ... used to do about 2 x / week. Good together time
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

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No.



I'm paranoid because of having had severe pneumonia just as this was about to start here. Been in serious "protect" mode.



Sad as a lazy meal @ our favorite spot is one of our favorite times ... used to do about 2 x / week. Good together time

The first day they opened restaurants in Calgary, we went out for ramen.

Anonymous

History will judge the global lock downs as one of the most disastrous decisions ever made by govertnments.


QuoteThe Worldwide Lockdown May Be the Greatest Mistake in History



THE UNITED NATIONS WORLD FOOD PROGRAM (WFP) STATES THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, MORE THAN 260 MILLION PEOPLE WILL FACE STARVATION — DOUBLE LAST YEAR'S FIGURES.



The forcible prevention of Americans from doing anything except what politicians deem "essential" has led to the worst economy in American history since the Great Depression of the 1930s. It is panic and hysteria, not the coronavirus that created this catastrophe. And the consequences in much of the world will be more horrible than in the United States.



The United Nations World Food Program (WFP) states that by the end of the year, more than 260 million people will face starvation — double last year's figures. According to WFP Director David Beasley on April 21: "We could be looking at famine in about three-dozen countries ... There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of COVID-19 than from the virus itself" (italics added).



That would be enough to characterize the worldwide lockdown as a deathly error. But there is much more. If global gross domestic product (GDP) declines by 5%, another 147 million people could be plunged into extreme poverty, according to the International Food Policy Research Institute.



Foreign Policy magazine reports that, according to the International Monetary Fund, the global economy will shrink by 3% in 2020, marking the biggest downturn since the Great Depression, and the U.S., the eurozone and Japan will contract by 5.9%, 7.5% and 5.2%, respectively. Meanwhile, across South Asia, as of a month ago, tens of millions already were "struggling to put food on the table." Again, all because of the lockdowns, not the virus.



In one particularly incomprehensible act, the government of India, a poor country of 1.3 billion people, locked down its people. As Quartz India reported on April 22, "Coronavirus has killed only around 700 Indians ... a small number still compared to the 450,000 TB (tuberculosis) and 10,000-odd malaria deaths recorded every year."



The lockdown is "possibly even more catastrophic (than the virus) in its outcome: the collapse of global food-supply systems and widespread human starvation" (italics added). That was published in the left-wing The Nation, which, nevertheless, enthusiastically supports lockdowns. But the American left cares as much about the millions of non-Americans reduced to hunger and starvation because of the lockdown as it does about the people of upstate New York who have no income, despite the minuscule number of coronavirus deaths there. Or about the citizens of Oregon, whose governor recently announced the state will remain locked down until July 6. As of this writing, a total of 109 people have died of the coronavirus in Oregon.



An example of how disinterested the left is in worldwide suffering is made abundantly clear in a front-page "prayer" by a left-wing Christian in the current issue of The Nation: "May we who are merely inconvenienced remember those whose lives are at stake."



"Merely inconvenienced" is how Rev. William J. Barber II, a Protestant minister and president of the North Carolina National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) describes the tens of millions of Americans rendered destitute, not to mention the hundreds of millions around the world rendered not only penniless but hungry. The truth is, like most of the elites, it is Barber who is "merely inconvenienced." Indeed, the American battle today is between the merely inconvenienced and the rest of America.



Michael Levitt, professor of structural biology at Stanford Medical School and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry, recently stated, "There is no doubt in my mind that when we come to look back on this, the damage done by lockdown will exceed any saving of lives by a huge factor."

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