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Covid and lock downs in a nutshell

Started by Frood, September 06, 2020, 11:09:28 AM

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=419900 time=1630879807 user_id=2015
Quote from: Herman post_id=419883 time=1630869845 user_id=1689
What percentage of the population needs to be vaxxed before we return to normal?

If we had 95 percent of the population vaccinated , we would still have cases.

Yes. All that "herd" gab was bogus bullshit. I never did understand the theory as it always seemed bogus



We will always have some cases



It initiated from Sweden whose plan exploded on them - so much so that they are the only country which "conveniently" stopped publishing daily numbers long ago
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

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Quote from: cc post_id=419972 time=1630955219 user_id=88
Quote from: "iron horse jockey" post_id=419900 time=1630879807 user_id=2015
Quote from: Herman post_id=419883 time=1630869845 user_id=1689
What percentage of the population needs to be vaxxed before we return to normal?

If we had 95 percent of the population vaccinated , we would still have cases.

Yes. All that "herd" gab was bogus bullshit. I never did understand the theory as it always seemed bogus



We will always have some cases

With the original coronavirus 75 percent fully vaccinated probably would have been enough to control the spread. Delta changed that assumption.

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I disagree



The wonky "herd" concept initiated from Sweden whose plan exploded on them - so much so that they are the only country which "conveniently" stopped publishing daily numbers long ago



Variants are not causing it to go on - they are merely accelerating the speed of it
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

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Quote from: cc post_id=419974 time=1630955511 user_id=88
I disagree



The wonky "herd" concept initiated from Sweden whose plan exploded on them - so much so that they are the only country which "conveniently" stopped publishing daily numbers long ago



Variants are not causing it to go on - they are merely accelerating the speed of it

The concept of herd immunity is solid-the more people immune, the less it can spread.

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I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

An effective treatment for COVID-19 would spell disaster for the three vaccines and the drug companies making billions of dollars from them.

Anonymous

Vaccines are not enough. There must be effective therapeutics.



As vaccinated COVID hospitalizations soar, government blocks the one option that works



Any thinking person should be asking why our government is not doing more to make the monoclonal antibodies more available as people get sick with this virus at record levels.



Until now, any discussion of treatment methods was dismissed by the trite argument, "Just get vaccinated and you will be fine." That canard never properly addressed those who can't get the vaccine, nor did it explain why there was a complete blackout on treatment even before the vaccines were widely available in January. However, now, with surging hospitalization rates among the vaccinated population, especially those most at risk of dying from this virus, the entire argument — and indeed strategy behind a vaccine-centric focus — is obsolete and needlessly killing thousands of people.



To begin with, the vaccine never stopped transmission — indeed, the virus is spreading more than ever in highly vaccinated areas. However, we were promised it would protect from serious illness. Well, a friend of my wife in Houston — a cancer survivor — was mugged by reality last week when she came down with the virus after receiving the Pfizer shots in March. She was getting sicker, and thankfully I got her connected with one of the few competent doctors who treats the virus outpatient. She also got the monoclonal antibodies (after being forced to get a prescription for it in Texas), which she never heard of until I told her about the treatment. She was able to avoid the hospital, but thousands of vaccinated and unvaccinated — who do not have access to the amazing doctors I've come to know — aren't so lucky.



Why the government-medical establishment has declared war on all early treatments and has refused to approve outpatient antibiotics and steroids for treatment, much less ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and several dozen other promising therapeutics. By ensuring that there is zero approved outpatient treatment, our government has trapped nearly every American who has not been infected – vaccinated and unvaccinated – into a death trap in the overrun hospitals. And that seems to be exactly where they want us.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-as-vaccinated-covid-hospitalizations-soar-government-blocks-the-one-option-that-works?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210913Trending-HorowitzOneThing&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News">https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz ... ing%20News">https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-as-vaccinated-covid-hospitalizations-soar-government-blocks-the-one-option-that-works?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210913Trending-HorowitzOneThing&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News

Anonymous

A Republican lawmaker is demanding to know why the Biden administration appears to be limiting the ability of doctors to order early treatment medications for COVID-19 patients.



Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) on Monday sent a letter to Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra inquiring about a recent change in HHS policy that limits orders and shipments of monoclonal antibody treatments to HHS-approved administration sites.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/hhs-reviewing-orders-for-monoclonal-antibodies?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210914Trending-ChipRoyMonoclonal&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News">https://www.theblaze.com/news/hhs-revie ... ing%20News">https://www.theblaze.com/news/hhs-reviewing-orders-for-monoclonal-antibodies?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210914Trending-ChipRoyMonoclonal&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News



Denying treatments??

Anonymous

Quote from: seoulbro post_id=420385 time=1631637307 user_id=114
A Republican lawmaker is demanding to know why the Biden administration appears to be limiting the ability of doctors to order early treatment medications for COVID-19 patients.



Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) on Monday sent a letter to Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra inquiring about a recent change in HHS policy that limits orders and shipments of monoclonal antibody treatments to HHS-approved administration sites.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/hhs-reviewing-orders-for-monoclonal-antibodies?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210914Trending-ChipRoyMonoclonal&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News">https://www.theblaze.com/news/hhs-revie ... ing%20News">https://www.theblaze.com/news/hhs-reviewing-orders-for-monoclonal-antibodies?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210914Trending-ChipRoyMonoclonal&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News



Denying treatments??

The Biden administration has stopped promoting treatments such as Regeneron that the previous administration encouraged.

Gaon

Israel has had success using pharmaceuticals to treat patients infected with the Chinese coronavirus.



https://www.israel21c.org/interest-grows-in-3-experimental-israeli-covid-treatments/">https://www.israel21c.org/interest-grow ... reatments/">https://www.israel21c.org/interest-grows-in-3-experimental-israeli-covid-treatments/
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Quote from: Gaon post_id=420392 time=1631650997 user_id=3170
Israel has had success using pharmaceuticals to treat patients infected with the Chinese coronavirus.



https://www.israel21c.org/interest-grows-in-3-experimental-israeli-covid-treatments/">https://www.israel21c.org/interest-grow ... reatments/">https://www.israel21c.org/interest-grows-in-3-experimental-israeli-covid-treatments/

Once we had vaccines, we forgot about treatments......that proved to be a fatal error.

Anonymous

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Unfortunately, "natural immunity" requires becoming infected. That said, they should be treated same as vaccinated for certificates to enter venues and that seems to have been left out



Better treatments for those currently infected are an immediate need for all and especially for the unvaccinated who are getting hit especially hard by new variants
I really tried to warn y\'all in 49  .. G. Orwell

Anonymous

Quote from: cc post_id=422225 time=1633278778 user_id=88
Better treatments for those currently infected are an immediate need for all and especially for the unvaccinated who are getting hit especially hard by new variants

As you know, I do not fall for conspiracy theories, But, I can't help but wonder why North America in particular is dragging it's feet on treatments. Nations that are returning to normal are the ones that are using various treatments as well as increasing hospital capacity.



Biden has stood in the way of treatments while his predecessor encouraged their trials and usage. We see the same thing in Canada with provincial health services management, often very political, discouraging treatments.



Liberal billionaires with vested interests in big pharma are promoting vaccines, but not treatments. The leftist politicians they give money to are doing the same. This is why we have armies of anti vaxxers in North America.

Anonymous

Quote from: seoulbro post_id=422226 time=1633279363 user_id=114
Quote from: cc post_id=422225 time=1633278778 user_id=88
Better treatments for those currently infected are an immediate need for all and especially for the unvaccinated who are getting hit especially hard by new variants

As you know, I do not fall for conspiracy theories, But, I can't help but wonder why North America in particular is dragging it's feet on treatments. Nations that are returning to normal are the ones that are using various treatments as well as increasing hospital capacity.



Biden has stood in the way of treatments while his predecessor encouraged their trials and usage. We see the same thing in Canada with provincial health services management, often very political, discouraging treatments.



Liberal billionaires with vested interests in big pharma are promoting vaccines, but not treatments. The leftist politicians they give money to are doing the same. This is why we have armies of anti vaxxers in North America.

There is something going on in North America..



Whther it is greed or control or a combination of the two, we are deliberately delaying the use and distribution of treatments.