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JOE

December 12, 2022, 08:33:24 PM
...many would assume that it was Jesus Christ.



But wait...wasn't he called 'The King of the Jews'?



and was he even aware when he was alive that he was 'Christian'?



Or did he see himself as a Jew?



Or was Jesus the leader of some breakaway Jewish sect which later developed into Christianity?



Seems Christianity arose or was created after the death of Jesus Christ.



And if that's the case, who was the 1st Christian?



Seems to me that Christians or Christianity are followers of Christ.



But it wasn't Jesus Christ himself. He was a Jew.



So shouldn't Christians be following Judaism?



Or is Christianity just a modified version of Judaism?

Dove

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December 12, 2022, 11:32:52 PM
Joe Christianity is the fulfillment of the Old Covenant. It IS Judaism.



 At least legit Judaism, the Old Covanant. The first Christian's wouldnt be Jesus because He is the Christ in Christianity. The first Christian really would be Mary. From there ....the 12 disciples who after the ascension of Christ formed the first church. And they followed Christ command to spread the gospel and name disciples off all nations. It began with Jews. Hebrews.



 Christianity is simply the New Covenant .....as Jesus fulfilled the law and prophesies.



 The OC was the foreshadowing of the coming of Christ. Now that Christ has walked the earth, lived a sinless life as God in flesh among us, rose from the dead and ascended....its now through Him we are reconciled to God.



 And this is the perfect time of year to discuss it.



 "Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? 2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him.



 3 He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.



4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. 5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.



 7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, So He opened not His mouth. 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment, And who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; For the transgressions of My people He was stricken. 9 And they made His grave with the wicked-- But with the rich at His death, Because He had done no violence, Nor was any deceit in His mouth.



10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand. 11 He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.



 12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors"  



 ~Isaiah 53
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caskur

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December 13, 2022, 04:20:02 AM
Quote from: JOE post_id=487451 time=1670895204 user_id=97
...many would assume that it was Jesus Christ.



But wait...wasn't he called 'The King of the Jews'?



and was he even aware when he was alive that he was 'Christian'?



Or did he see himself as a Jew?



Or was Jesus the leader of some breakaway Jewish sect which later developed into Christianity?



Seems Christianity arose or was created after the death of Jesus Christ.



And if that's the case, who was the 1st Christian?



Seems to me that Christians or Christianity are followers of Christ.



But it wasn't Jesus Christ himself. He was a Jew.



So shouldn't Christians be following Judaism?



Or is Christianity just a modified version of Judaism?


The 12 apostles were Christ's first followers.



The Jews were the first to be offered to become "Christian" because of a promise of God to Abraham (long story) millennial, before but after Jesus baptism,  becoming Christian was opened to include the Gentiles as well.



The invitation is extended globally.
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- Andy Warhol

deadskinmask

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December 13, 2022, 09:51:23 AM
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modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country.... :mad:
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DKG

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December 13, 2022, 09:58:20 AM
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modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country.... :mad:

Are you a man of faith? I know it's none of my business, and I'm not judging one way or the other. I was just curious, that is all.

deadskinmask

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December 13, 2022, 10:05:29 AM
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Are you a man of faith? I know it's none of my business, and I'm not judging one way or the other. I was just curious, that is all.


i am.... i gave up on God about 45 years ago but fortunately enough He never gave up on me and i found my way back.... :sad:
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DKG

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December 13, 2022, 10:07:51 AM
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Are you a man of faith? I know it's none of my business, and I'm not judging one way or the other. I was just curious, that is all.


i am.... i gave up on God about 45 years ago but fortunately enough He never gave up on me and i found my way back.... :sad:

I noticed any thread about religion you have something to add, so I assumed you were man of faith.

deadskinmask

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December 13, 2022, 10:13:55 AM
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i am.... i gave up on God about 45 years ago but fortunately enough He never gave up on me and i found my way back.... :sad:

I noticed any thread about religion you have something to add, so I assumed you were man of faith.


thats a good guess... if you'll notice, i don't post in your 'Money' thred.... and the reason is similar.... its because i don't have any.... :laugh:
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DKG

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December 13, 2022, 10:16:29 AM
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I noticed any thread about religion you have something to add, so I assumed you were man of faith.


thats a good guess... if you'll notice, i don't post in your 'Money' thred.... and the reason is similar.... its because i don't have any.... :laugh:

That's no excuse. Joe is seventy and flat broke and he spams the hell out of my thread. :laugh3:

Dove

#9
December 13, 2022, 10:18:28 AM
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modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country.... :mad:


 You mean modern "judaism".  Because it's impossible for them to continue practicing old covenant Judaism. The temple was destroyed.



 It's funny how God allows the destruction of the temple, as Jesus predicted would happen and still these jews want to live by the law. And they dont even recognize God.  What are they even doing?  It's so weird.



 Messianic jews exist. They are a great source to learn from as well.  Jews for Jesus is a good source



 https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_code=STEBSC&utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=STEBSC&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4uCcBhDdARIsAH5jyUmpd9O7baGbmKUvCteJx-ZK5IZ1TB3Xq59SRTpdXospNcI6kQgqY9kaAog6EALw_wcB">https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_cod ... g6EALw_wcB">https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_code=STEBSC&utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=STEBSC&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4uCcBhDdARIsAH5jyUmpd9O7baGbmKUvCteJx-ZK5IZ1TB3Xq59SRTpdXospNcI6kQgqY9kaAog6EALw_wcB
My happiness is all of your misery. I put good dick all in my kidneys.

deadskinmask

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December 13, 2022, 10:19:25 AM
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thats a good guess... if you'll notice, i don't post in your 'Money' thred.... and the reason is similar.... its because i don't have any.... :laugh:

That's no excuse. Joe is seventy and flat broke and he spams the hell out of my thread. :laugh3:


"its better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak out and confirm their suspicions".... :laugh:
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deadskinmask

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December 13, 2022, 10:23:47 AM
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modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country.... :mad:


 You mean modern "judaism".  Because it's impossible for them to continue practicing old covenant Judaism. The temple was destroyed.



 It's funny how God allows the destruction of the temple, as Jesus predicted would happen and still these jews want to live by the law. And they dont even recognize God.  What are they even doing?  It's so weird.



 Messianic jews exist. They are a great source to learn from as well.  Jews for Jesus is a good source



 https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_code=STEBSC&utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=STEBSC&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4uCcBhDdARIsAH5jyUmpd9O7baGbmKUvCteJx-ZK5IZ1TB3Xq59SRTpdXospNcI6kQgqY9kaAog6EALw_wcB">https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_cod ... g6EALw_wcB">https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_code=STEBSC&utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=STEBSC&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4uCcBhDdARIsAH5jyUmpd9O7baGbmKUvCteJx-ZK5IZ1TB3Xq59SRTpdXospNcI6kQgqY9kaAog6EALw_wcB


for the record, i don't 'hate jews'.... there are good jews for every bad jew.... but the ones who ARE bad are indeed the fuckin worst humanity has to offer.... and unfortunately, its the same ones who make and influence political policy and social culture.... :sad:
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Dove

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December 13, 2022, 10:37:33 AM Last Edit: December 13, 2022, 10:44:02 AM by Dove
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modern jews are NOT real jews.... modern jews are a cover for luciferian pedophiles who are actively destroying our country.... :mad:


 This video isnt bad at all. He kinda lost sight on the fact the family lines and the blessing was the line of Jesus. Jesus is the Abrahamic blessing and His body (bride) is Israel.



 After Christ was crucified and rose....as He taught, the gentiles would become grafted in.



 It was NEVER Israel as a nation. They constantly fell into heavy sin and turned from God. And God always kept a portion of the people to Himself. You'll notice that's a constant theme in the OT.



 Not only do modern jews do not believe in the OT(you either believe it or you dont....its not a buffet lol) they completely removed Isaiah 53....which I actually quoted in this thread. They view Christ as a cult leader and a heretic and blasphemer to this very day.



 But yeah this video did a pretty good job. It just left the most important element, how the promise was always the Messiah and through Him God would reconcile humanity to Himself. It was never just for the jews. The chosen people would be that portion that God kept from the rest...like the prophets and those who stayed faithful to God while the country went into idolatry and evil. God would then turn them over into bondage.  



 The OT isnt about jews. It's about Jesus. Their old Covenant Judaism was a foreshadowing of Jesus.



 The talmud is evil. It's really got some serious hate and blaspheme in it.....as that guy in the video said how it calls Mary a whore and says Christ is burning in hell. It's the worst most disgusting book.  The satanic bible isnt even that hateful.  When you take Jesus out of the OT it falls apart and becomes absurd and doesnt make sense. That's why they have the talmud. It's just depraved thinking.
My happiness is all of your misery. I put good dick all in my kidneys.

Dove

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December 13, 2022, 10:42:29 AM
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Quote from: Dove post_id=487515 time=1670944708 user_id=3266




 You mean modern "judaism".  Because it's impossible for them to continue practicing old covenant Judaism. The temple was destroyed.



 It's funny how God allows the destruction of the temple, as Jesus predicted would happen and still these jews want to live by the law. And they dont even recognize God.  What are they even doing?  It's so weird.



 Messianic jews exist. They are a great source to learn from as well.  Jews for Jesus is a good source



 https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_code=STEBSC&utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=STEBSC&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4uCcBhDdARIsAH5jyUmpd9O7baGbmKUvCteJx-ZK5IZ1TB3Xq59SRTpdXospNcI6kQgqY9kaAog6EALw_wcB">https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_cod ... g6EALw_wcB">https://jewsforjesus.org/?reference_code=STEBSC&utm_source=google&utm_medium=brandsearch&utm_campaign=STEBSC&gclid=Cj0KCQiA4uCcBhDdARIsAH5jyUmpd9O7baGbmKUvCteJx-ZK5IZ1TB3Xq59SRTpdXospNcI6kQgqY9kaAog6EALw_wcB


for the record, i don't 'hate jews'.... there are good jews for every bad jew.... but the ones who ARE bad are indeed the fuckin worst humanity has to offer.... and unfortunately, its the same ones who make and influence political policy and social culture.... :sad:


 I know, Ed lol.  I get what you guys are saying when you talk about the Jews.
My happiness is all of your misery. I put good dick all in my kidneys.

Dove

#14
December 13, 2022, 10:49:59 AM
Ed....Joe...anyone interested, this a great video on the importance of the OT and how it's about Christ. This guy is a Messianic Jew. So that basically means he is a jewish Christian.



 Joe this should answer your questions on Christianity and who was the first and where it came from.



 
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