2 adults & 2 children in Georgia are dead lets have the discussion

[Lab Flaker]

it's almost as if you guys could use some strict gun control laws over there

I remember when I was a kid in Primary School (Elementary) back in South Africa in the early 80's, and the terrorists were on the rampage indiscriminately shooting men, women and children. The solution was to arm all the teachers with firearms.

The principal and vice principal of the school actually wore their guns in holsters visibly on the hip, as a means of deterrence. And this was the norm across the entire nation at most schools.

[Oliver the Second]

...should have prompted the father to take precautionary steps to make sure his son had no accessibility to the weapons

Turns out the father gave the kid the gun as a Christmas gift -

https://www.tmz.com/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-suspect-gun-christmas-present-dad/

[Lokmar]

Turns out the father gave the kid the gun as a Christmas gift -

https://www.tmz.com/2024/09/05/georgia-school-shooting-suspect-gun-christmas-present-dad/

Buy your 14yo a bolt action .22LR, NOT an AR!

[Prof Emeritus at Fawk U]

Coming this Xmas season is the new Lil Patriot Cruise Missile Launcher.  Buy your kid the ability to take out an entire block and show much of 2nd Amendment supporter you are.  God bless America.

[hard Я]

Exactly this! Banning guns due to school shootings is tantamount to banning cars when some sloppy drunk gets behind the wheel and mows into a few cars on the free or some racist lunatic charges his truck into a crowd of children during a holiday parade. To the cheering and applause and affirmative nod by animals like that fat creature from the blue cesspool, Oak I might add.

And to your point of slow acting defunded and demoralized law enforcement who in many cases is outright ordered to stand down one need only look at what's happening in Colorado for a glimpse into the future the leftist vermin scum are trying to build. An environment where the criminal element is armed to the teeth while law enforcement (if they exist at all) are hamstrung to the point of complete uselessness.

I don't know about you but I am convinced these mass shootings are some kind of covert and deliberate syopp being embedded into the minds of a vulnerable cross section of our society though video games, tiktok, recreational drugs and a swath of other anti moralizing elements which no one on the left, conveniently, wants to talk about.

and you have to wonder why that is.

I know exactly why it is; it's the hallmark of an authoritarian government wishing to weaken and enslave its population. Sure, they'll tell you it's about "making the streets safer", but the point Caskur makes at the bottom of page two is a valid one: remove lawful access to firearms and knives will take their place. Proof of this? Britain-stan, where it has been successfully legislated that any bladed "weapon" is illegal to have on your person. Even butter knives, as retarded as that sounds.

Not that it's slowed the instance of stabbings over that way, though I have noticed a marked increase of arrests of people that draw people's attention to this unpleasant outcome. Because it's a hate crime there to even refer to the statistic, being that the overwhelming preponderance of these crimes are being waged by illegal migrants who, as far as the government are concerned, are a class of people in need of their protection.. The law abiding locals that do NOT own guns and who leave their cutlery in the kitchen drawer.... not so much.

And just so we are clear, the authoritarian upswing in Britain-stan has escalated to the point where they are now seeking to extradite people that discuss this. The reason being that they have deemed it hate speech... and if you happen to be in an area whose government thinks it's politically expedient to gulag its citizens for so much as wandering the halls of its capitol "out of season", I don't think it's a stretch to say you could very easily find yourself the proud owner of an express flight to that delightful little shithole where tens of thousands of underaged girls can be raped by pakistanis annually and the only people to see prison time are the ones that are pointing this out.

This is what safety looks like? Mate, I'll take the guns and knives option every time, thank you. The second amendment was written in the way it was by people who saw a need for citizens to protect themselves from aggressors, both foreign AND domestic. This includes the aggressors that gain access to the levers of power over  We the People, along with anyone foolish enough to fight We the People on the aforementioned aggressors part.

And there are certainly more of those than there should be. They should be on our side, fighting the threat shoulder to shoulder with us. Because if history has taught us anything, the aggressor is never satisfied and will take more and more liberties over its population as time goes on. Even from its own supporters.

We saw it in the marriage of business and state in Nazi Germany.

We saw it in the marriage of business and state in Mussolini's Italy.

We are seeing it now in the marriage of business and state under Biden/Harris's America. As well as the EU, UK, Canada, Australia... the list goes on.

Fight it. It's the one enemy we all share.

[Biggie Smiles]

I know exactly why it is; it's the hallmark of an authoritarian government wishing to weaken and enslave its population. Sure, they'll tell you it's about "making the streets safer", but the point Caskur makes at the bottom of page two is a valid one: remove lawful access to firearms and knives will take their place. Proof of this? Britain-stan, where it has been successfully legislated that any bladed "weapon" is illegal to have on your person. Even butter knives, as retarded as that sounds.

Not that it's slowed the instance of stabbings over that way, though I have noticed a marked increase of arrests of people that draw people's attention to this unpleasant outcome. Because it's a hate crime there to even refer to the statistic, being that the overwhelming preponderance of these crimes are being waged by illegal migrants who, as far as the government are concerned, are a class of people in need of their protection.. The law abiding locals that do NOT own guns and who leave their cutlery in the kitchen drawer.... not so much.

And just so we are clear, the authoritarian upswing in Britain-stan has escalated to the point where they are now seeking to extradite people that discuss this. The reason being that they have deemed it hate speech... and if you happen to be in an area whose government thinks it's politically expedient to gulag its citizens for so much as wandering the halls of its capitol "out of season", I don't think it's a stretch to say you could very easily find yourself the proud owner of an express flight to that delightful little shithole where tens of thousands of underaged girls can be raped by pakistanis annually and the only people to see prison time are the ones that are pointing this out.

This is what safety looks like? Mate, I'll take the guns and knives option every time, thank you. The second amendment was written in the way it was by people who saw a need for citizens to protect themselves from aggressors, both foreign AND domestic. This includes the aggressors that gain access to the levers of power over  We the People, along with anyone foolish enough to fight We the People on the aforementioned aggressors part.

And there are certainly more of those than there should be. They should be on our side, fighting the threat shoulder to shoulder with us. Because if history has taught us anything, the aggressor is never satisfied and will take more and more liberties over its population as time goes on. Even from its own supporters.

We saw it in the marriage of business and state in Nazi Germany.

We saw it in the marriage of business and state in Mussolini's Italy.

We are seeing it now in the marriage of business and state under Biden/Harris's America. As well as the EU, UK, Canada, Australia... the list goes on.

Fight it. It's the one enemy we all share.

Gotta disagree slightly one a single point. Removing lawful access to firearms will only inspire the criminal element to fill the void and ensure that people who are law abiding citizens and want to remain law abiding citizens will have no ability to defend themselves should the need arise.

and that is more than likely the point of the whole exercise when you consider the obvious desire by SOMEONE to decay the fabric of this country from the inside out.

But I digress

But when's the last time you've imagined a maniac hell bent on committing multiple premeditated homicides stop short and think to himself "I cannot buy that gun in that in that flimsy storefront pretending to a grocery store because that would be illegal". I'm pretty sure you haven't. And that is because you are sane and the proposition is ludicrous on it's face.

But time and time again libtards prove they aren't sane and lack the ability to think things through all the way to their foregone conclusion. Mass shooting happen everyday on the streets of baltimore & Chicago as I am sure both Reggie Essent and LokmarL can attest,   and are being committed more often than not by convicted felons who have long ago lost the right to purchase a firearm by any lawful means. So how are they obtaining them?

This is of course, a factor of the overall argument they do not want to discuss in any capacity whatsoever. Why? because doing so will bring them to the cold hard reality that banning the lawful purchase of firearms will not stop these mass shootings just like they haven't in the cities I mentioned above and many others throughout the country which are under similarly strict gun mandates.

having this argument might just bring them closer to the most obvious of facts which they do not wish to acknowledge on any level. On a moral level our society is in rapid decline and these mass shootings are simply one consequence of said decline.

So instead of banning guns entirely perhaps we, as a society, need to get to the root of the problem.

[Biggie Smiles]

Libtards tend to be more outlandish in their thought process while conservatives tend to be more pragmatic and intellectually fluid in their approach to problem solving

Libtards are famous for capturing the 0.001% of cases where a particular argument doesn't apply and use it to justify discounting the entirety of the argument all together, while at the same time offering no counter solution to address the problem being discussed. they prefer problems to exist in perpetuity. You don't believe me? then tell me why Roe was never codified during two administrations which had partisan control over all levels of government.

This flaw in their reasoning, if you can even label it reasoning at this point, is most clearly evidenced when discussing Trump's border wall which Mexico didn't pay for nor should have.

Libtards will proudly display a meme of the steel fence erected some 25ft high depicting a young, healthy and determined illegal with proper tools scaling it with relative ease and use that to justify telling you walls don't work.

Never once attempting to be intellectually honest by showing you the 5000 women, children and other members of the tribe who are, for one reason or another, incapable of performing the same impressive feat. Yes, walls are ineffective at preventing 0.001% of the migrants. True indeed. But so are 4 digit bank card ATM pins at preventing some nefarious individual from draining your bank account. They have been overcome, guessed, brute-forced and otherwise compromised a multitude of times

would you feel comfortable with a banking institution that offered you an ATM card without one? 

[Brent]

Libtards tend to be more outlandish in their thought process while conservatives tend to be more pragmatic and intellectually fluid in their approach to problem solving

Libtards are famous for capturing the 0.001% of cases where a particular argument doesn't apply and use it to justify discounting the entirety of the argument all together, while at the same time offering no counter solution to address the problem being discussed. they prefer problems to exist in perpetuity. You don't believe me? then tell me why Roe was never codified during two administrations which had partisan control over all levels of government.

This flaw in their reasoning, if you can even label it reasoning at this point, is most clearly evidenced when discussing Trump's border wall which Mexico didn't pay for nor should have.

Libtards will proudly display a meme of the steel fence erected some 25ft high depicting a young, healthy and determined illegal with proper tools scaling it with relative ease and use that to justify telling you walls don't work.

Never once attempting to be intellectually honest by showing you the 5000 women, children and other members of the tribe who are, for one reason or another, incapable of performing the same impressive feat. Yes, walls are ineffective at preventing 0.001% of the migrants. True indeed. But so are 4 digit bank card ATM pins at preventing some nefarious individual from draining your bank account. They have been overcome, guessed, brute-forced and otherwise compromised a multitude of times

would you feel comfortable with a banking institution that offered you an ATM card without one?

Post of the week.

[hard Я]

Gotta disagree slightly one a single point. Removing lawful access to firearms will only inspire the criminal element to fill the void and ensure that people who are law abiding citizens and want to remain law abiding citizens will have no ability to defend themselves should the need arise.

and that is more than likely the point of the whole exercise when you consider the obvious desire by SOMEONE to decay the fabric of this country from the inside out.

That is precisely the point and your can see its parallel playing out in England where knives are illegal, yet stabbings are on the rise. You are in fact making my point for me, there is in fact no disagreement to be had.

Something more odious to consider; I see plenty of proud US gun owners on this board, what do you imagine you become in the eyes of the law when your arsenal is deemed illegal and you refuse to turn your weaponry in to the authorities? Do you imagine for one moment said authorities will be satisfied with the excuse that you lost them in the last fishing trip? I've a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you if you do.

No. You will find out exactly what "differential enforcement" means. Some Illinois resident like Lokmar will be made the scapegoat for all that is wrong in Chicongo and be harassed and prosecuted endlessly by leftie politicians and their supporters "because gun crime" while black gangs barely get slapped on the wrist.

That is it is being played in England right now. Machete wielding migrants are being left to do their thing, but if you're white and the proud owner of a pocket knife (or indeed anything considered "illegal"). then you, an otherwise law abiding citizen, are in fact the criminal and the state gets to kick your door in and take your your shit. English law enforcement are now bullying children as young as five, along with their families, all the while turning a blind eye to the invading "refugees" of other nations in the name of "diversity" and "protection".

This is what is at our gates. I don't like it and I don't expect you would either. We are all of us being governed for someone else's profit and far too many of us are invested in "doing the right thing" and "not giving the 'them' a reason to bring the banhammer down on our asses" to realise that these terrorists do not need any reason to wage this war on us, other than we are letting them wage it.

This is the root of the problem. All other things being equal, in a time of conflict the day is carried by the side that is prepared to do what the other is not. We are faced with an opposing force that does not regard us worthy of any rights whatsoever. The presumption that we will continue to take the high moral ground and prevail against these Vandals is being used against us and to our cost.

We need to fix that. Doing what we are used to doing isn't achieving that end.

[Biggie Smiles]

That is precisely the point and your can see its parallel playing out in England where knives are illegal, yet stabbings are on the rise. You are in fact making my point for me, there is in fact no disagreement to be had.

Something more odious to consider; I see plenty of proud US gun owners on this board, what do you imagine you become in the eyes of the law when your arsenal is deemed illegal and you refuse to turn your weaponry in to the authorities? Do you imagine for one moment said authorities will be satisfied with the excuse that you lost them in the last fishing trip? I've a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you if you do.

No. You will find out exactly what "differential enforcement" means. Some Illinois resident like Lokmar will be made the scapegoat for all that is wrong in Chicongo and be harassed and prosecuted endlessly by leftie politicians and their supporters "because gun crime" while black gangs barely get slapped on the wrist.

That is it is being played in England right now. Machete wielding migrants are being left to do their thing, but if you're white and the proud owner of a pocket knife (or indeed anything considered "illegal"). then you, an otherwise law abiding citizen, are in fact the criminal and the state gets to kick your door in and take your your shit. English law enforcement are now bullying children as young as five, along with their families, all the while turning a blind eye to the invading "refugees" of other nations in the name of "diversity" and "protection".

This is what is at our gates. I don't like it and I don't expect you would either. We are all of us being governed for someone else's profit and far too many of us are invested in "doing the right thing" and "not giving the 'them' a reason to bring the banhammer down on our asses" to realise that these terrorists do not need any reason to wage this war on us, other than we are letting them wage it.

This is the root of the problem. All other things being equal, in a time of conflict the day is carried by the side that is prepared to do what the other is not. We are faced with an opposing force that does not regard us worthy of any rights whatsoever. The presumption that we will continue to take the high moral ground and prevail against these Vandals is being used against us and to our cost.

We need to fix that. Doing what we are used to doing isn't achieving that end.

Imagine tomorrow a country where these rodents are successful. They remove every gun store in America and confiscate every gun out of the hands of every law abiding citizen in the country. leaving them defenseless and at the mercy of whatever element, criminal or government who wishes to exploit them

The next school shooting down the road, were it to be verifiably traced back to an illegally obtained AR-15 smuggled in across our porous southern border these self righteous ass bags like Pig and Admin wouldn't say a fucking word. They wouldn't suddenly turn their attention to the problem of illegal imports which have filled the void once occupied by small American businesses because THAT would run contrary to the narrative these talking heads are instructed to adhere to.

These vermin cockroaches don't give a fuck about the kids. The kids are nothing more than props to the tear jerking narrative they are attempting to put up on display just to get their way. Because if they did care you'd be seeing just as much outrage and righteous condemnation for all the young lives lost daily at the hands of convicted felons who aren't obtaining their guns legally on the streets of Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, LA and many other blue areas across the country

*spits -- disgusting vermin cockroaches, every last one of them pontificating rodent pieces of shit

[Lokmar]

These days, weapons are for overthrowing our despotic government.

[hard Я]

Imagine tomorrow a country where these rodents are successful. They remove every gun store in America and confiscate every gun out of the hands of every law abiding citizen in the country. leaving them defenseless and at the mercy of whatever element, criminal or government who wishes to exploit them

The next school shooting down the road, were it to be verifiably traced back to an illegally obtained AR-15 smuggled in across our porous southern border these self righteous ass bags like Pig and Admin wouldn't say a fucking word. They wouldn't suddenly turn their attention to the problem of illegal imports which have filled the void once occupied by small American businesses because THAT would run contrary to the narrative these talking heads are instructed to adhere to.

These vermin cockroaches don't give a fuck about the kids. The kids are nothing more than props to the tear jerking narrative they are attempting to put up on display just to get their way. Because if they did care you'd be seeing just as much outrage and righteous condemnation for all the young lives lost daily at the hands of convicted felons who aren't obtaining their guns legally on the streets of Chicago, NYC, Baltimore, LA and many other blue areas across the country

*spits -- disgusting vermin cockroaches, every last one of them pontificating rodent pieces of shit

I don't have to imagine it, I've already seen it. Caskur, Frood, Breaky... they live in one such example. Scouse, Reaper, Cookie.... they live in another. And it's not a problem exclusive to the provisioning of self defence either, it has been applied to a good many other facets of those societies besides.

And you're right; those wailing "think of the children" are not "acting for the children", therefore it can safely be concluded they don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut when it comes to "the children". We know this because existing legislation that provides "for the children" is forever being added to and expanded with no tangible results for "the children", thereby inviting further ineffective legislation and regulation in the name of "the children". And we are supposed to care because they pretend to. That's how it "works".

People cheer for this shit, you know. They'll also be the first to call you a cunt and worse when you don't fall into line with their pathetic little masturbatory fantasies that the latest boilerplate red tape being chimped piously over is somehow going to magically solve everything when everything like it that has gone before has only served to curb the individual's right to self determination.

With all that said, I do "think of the children" when entreated to. I think of all the times before where I was invited to by people who subsequently failed utterly to have any positive effect for them. And I turn my back on the mewling congressional muffcabbage and search for someone that is not spouting empty platitudes to prop up the content of their pitch.

[Biggie Smiles]

I don't have to imagine it, I've already seen it. Caskur, Frood, Breaky... they live in one such example. Scouse, Reaper, Cookie.... they live in another. And it's not a problem exclusive to the provisioning of self defence either, it has been applied to a good many other facets of those societies besides.

And you're right; those wailing "think of the children" are not "acting for the children", therefore it can safely be concluded they don't give a flying fuck at a rolling donut when it comes to "the children". We know this because existing legislation that provides "for the children" is forever being added to and expanded with no tangible results for "the children", thereby inviting further ineffective legislation and regulation in the name of "the children". And we are supposed to care because they pretend to. That's how it "works".

People cheer for this shit, you know. They'll also be the first to call you a cunt and worse when you don't fall into line with their pathetic little masturbatory fantasies that the latest boilerplate red tape being chimped piously over is somehow going to magically solve everything when everything like it that has gone before has only served to curb the individual's right to self determination.

With all that said, I do "think of the children" when entreated to. I think of all the times before where I was invited to by people who subsequently failed utterly to have any positive effect for them. And I turn my back on the mewling congressional muffcabbage and search for someone that is not spouting empty platitudes to prop up the content of their pitch.

Exactly. These people don't give the first fuck about "the children". In addition to all we've pointed out thus far there have been some 30 million abortions, many of which were late term where the baby was viable, in the U.S since roe was first decided.

Now don't get me wrong here, contrary to my conservative brethren I am 100% in support of some libtard cunt offing her offspring at the first available opportunity. One less degenerate fucking cockroach to compete with my bloodline in the voting booths. I am A okay with that. Provide state funded abortions as an aside to fucking happy meals at drive thru windows in your own toilet states to your heart's content. But don't be so violently in support of such barbarism and then try to pontificate to me about my gun ownership being the reason some kids in a school somewhere lost their lives at the hands of some mentally ill psychopath indoctrinated with the violence you happily promulgate on every media platform available . 

The day libtards are prepared to have a realistic conversation devoid of the bullshit soundbites which is aimed at addressing the ALL Of the problems contributing to these massacres I'd be happy to have it. But until then they can take their short sighted and tunnel visioned ideas, solutions and tear jerking stories and shove them right up their asses. No sale here. 

[Biggie Smiles]

Oh, and just as an inconvenient little side note to the leftist vermin cocksuckers claiming that it is a lack of a weapons ban causing these massacres because they insist on pretending that they care about "teh children"

why haven't any of them expressed outrage at the fact that dear old Kamoron stated publicy, right there in the debate they are gloating over, that she and Tim walz are gun owners and she's not taking "anyone's" guns

anyones guns. with no qualifiers that suggest she was speaking specifically to AR-15s

so apparently, getting a zinger on Trump during a debate overshadows this phony "care" they have for "teh children"

hypocrite scum