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Oh, I was around the same time as you were, roughly... but my thrills were in sowing discord in their super secret penis room by alluding to the possibility that somebody in Crew was leaking outwards, instead of me weeviling in through supplied backdoors.

It was there that I discovered matches were fixed from the get go and cash rarely paid if the fixers got fixed up publicly.

Which was mega entertaining to me.

Yeah, I knew that. S|n|ster was getting dumped on, it's part of the reason why I bailed to BH. I wasn't aware that Ruthless1 was battling end stage liver cancer... it didn't excuse what he was doing, or the bitch that he ultimately became because of it. But it also (to my mind) doesn't negate the community he'd set up, nor the knock-on benefits when F4$ crew or kitchen kings came calling at places like BH and ~T~D~T~.

That's what you and Garraty got to experience first hand and you are undoubtedly members of an elite and ever shrinking pool of people that saw flaming being conducted as it was meant to be enjoyed. Fox/Poppy might be included in that number, though it is worth noting that their lack of ability to respond in kind set them way down the pecking order. Caskur's understanding (Flynn's too) is inferior to even that lowly station and only a weak and destitute intellect could find entertainment in what they do. Leftie mindset, basically.

It's all good. I got mine, even if they never did. And I'm happy I was in the right place at the right time for its peak. A lot of great memories, but those days are long gone. Like morris dancing, slide nights and what are you eating/doing/fisting threads, it had its day and was well on the way to obsolescence by the time the tards seconded it and proceeded to gum their Crayolas at it for their participation trophies.

I do not need to renounce my withdrawal from the kinds of Ghey-Ops they author.

[Frood]

You know me...I like to stir first but don't mind a bit of angst and turmoil.

However, I must live with myself.

That has meant that I've had to say no to certain directions which others were begging of me.

I don't apologize for any of that.

[Garraty_47]

Flaming is crafting the pieces of a puzzle, by hand, one at a time, out in the open where everyone can see them- including the target. Each piece has its own sharp edges and hidden needles that cut and pierce anyone handling them recklessly. And then, just when it seems all you've got is a jumble of disconnected parts, you put them together to show the picture that was there the whole time if anyone bothered to (or was perceptive enough to) look.

What Flynn and Caskur do is at best dipping their asses in a bucket of drab paint then smearing it on a wall and calling it "art".

They are not the same.

[caskur]

Dum Sum and his dull word salad scroll bombs are niggarly, lack-lustre and unbelievable self serving ....

Blind fold both Flynn or I and we would still be able to arse rape you with a blunt letter opener.

You do not own the sole rights to what constitutes flame because you toss around poofta smears with faux tears. Your so called flames make people dry heave where as Flynns flames do make you truly cry and my hexes make you shake with fear and cry louder.

Just because you can't laugh doesn't mean other readers aren't laughing their arses off at the exchange.

The first match I did at Cosmic Outpost I got nine 9 votes off BH people and I am really really glad you weren't there dum Sum ruining everyone's fun with your pisspoor attitude.

Have you got a job yet or are you still bludging on tax payers?

[Frood]

Lol... females beating their chests. 

[DKG]

Flaming is crafting the pieces of a puzzle, by hand, one at a time, out in the open where everyone can see them- including the target. Each piece has its own sharp edges and hidden needles that cut and pierce anyone handling them recklessly. And then, just when it seems all you've got is a jumble of disconnected parts, you put them together to show the picture that was there the whole time if anyone bothered to (or was perceptive enough to) look.

What Flynn and Caskur do is at best dipping their asses in a bucket of drab paint then smearing it on a wall and calling it "art".

They are not the same.

I think some of you are looking in the rearview mirror thorugh rose coloured glasses. I don't believe flaming ever was a real thing. Bricktop who was part ofn it, confirmed that.

I have seen Flynn's spastic rants, and it is  at beast. I have also seen KM talk about matches and so on. But, no examples.

[Garraty_47]

I think some of you are looking in the rearview mirror thorugh rose coloured glasses. I don't believe flaming ever was a real thing. Bricktop who was part ofn it, confirmed that.

I have seen Flynn's spastic rants, and it is  at beast. I have also seen KM talk about matches and so on. But, no examples.

Flame 'matches' appeared toward the end of that era and in my opinion contributed to its demise.

What used to be a type of performance art became a popularity contest with all the drama and shenanigans that implies.

"Flaming" was dumbed down, homogenized, and corrupted.
What you see people crowing about these days is that bastardized version of a pale imitation of the real thing.

[Frood]

I think some of you are looking in the rearview mirror thorugh rose coloured glasses. I don't believe flaming ever was a real thing. Bricktop who was part ofn it, confirmed that.

I have seen Flynn's spastic rants, and it is  at beast. I have also seen KM talk about matches and so on. But, no examples.

Flaming and trolling was a very real thing.

[Edward]

Lets not forget, this forum WAS CREATED because of my trolling. I could give a master class. Some people here don't even know the true history.

[Frood]

Lets not forget, this forum WAS CREATED because of my trolling. I could give a master class. Some people here don't even know the true history.

Your trolling is shit.

[formosan]

Your trolling is shit.

Some of the original members of this forum were very uncomfortable with Edward's stalking.....but that wasn't the only reason they left VF.

[Frood]

Some of the original members of this forum were very uncomfortable with Edward's stalking.....but that wasn't the only reason they left VF.

Me and Adolf are original arseholes but neither of us enjoy it anymore.

That's why we settled here..

[formosan]

Me and Adolf are original arseholes but neither of us enjoy it anymore.

That's why we settled here..

People's interests change with age.

[Garraty_47]

Lets not forget, this forum WAS CREATED because of my trolling. I could give a master class. Some people here don't even know the true history.

I don't even know what you mean by your "trolling" but via context I think it's safe to say your "trolling" is less than a fart in a tornado compared to The 2-Belo's epic takedown of Maryanne "Loafhead" Kehoe.

Giving people the ick is not "trolling" unless you're just making up definitions as you go.

[knows things]

I think some of you are looking in the rearview mirror thorugh rose coloured glasses. I don't believe flaming ever was a real thing. Bricktop who was part ofn it, confirmed that.

The problem with your perception is that you, like Caskur, were never a part of it. Neither was Bricktop really, he was effectively a casualty of the Brawl Hall perversion of it and did not arrive at that pretend flaming outlet until after the trolls who owned the place were well into their phase of using porn redirects to lend an air of "participation" to their proceedings.

That was Brawl Hall's raison d'être... porn redirects. It's what kept the lights on for so long, yet so few of its copycats ever twigged to it. So it had a forum that professed to be "flaming"... do you also claim the Patriot Act to be about patriotism or the COVID jabs to be a vaccine? More fool you if your answer is in the affirmative, you would be letting progressive libtardism to be framing your perception.

This is not simply me saying so either, I'm going by how it was framed to me all those years ago in Flame4cash, by the site owner's and participants words and examples. What you (and I guess Caskur) are attempting to market as flaming was generally frowned upon and had another name entirely... "hating".

Now if Caskur were to come out and market herself as Queen of the Haters... that would be a claim of arguable substance. But she is not a flamer, not even a flamer's arsehole because hatred and anger have no place in the craft and she has plenty of both. She's been hating on me on and off (mostly on) for eighteen years, has called for my banning and real world death on innumerable occasions, promised to defile my grave, orchestrated campaigns against friends and business associations of mine.

I've never responded in kind. None of the flamers I knocked around with at Flame4Cash would have contemplated such behaviour, since in our endeavours we knew implicitly that it was a game to be waged for mutual amusement. And wage it we did, our terms of reference had far greater scope than even this site's rules would have afforded us.

I realise and respect this is not a concept you can easily grasp. You weren't there, you have no example to make observation and a whole bunch of conflicting bullshit from similarly bereft individuals who demand weight of numbers be their authority and carry their tale.

I was there. I saw it go down. I am in a better position to comment on it than someone who got their story second, third or fourth hand. And unlike the rest, I have precisely zero to gain by misrepresenting what I saw. I was headhunted to that site by a colleague in mIRC who saw what I was capable of and was kind enough to turn me loose in the bigger paddock.

72 hours after joining, I was presented with a choice by the site owner... take a run at the cash prize OR join the Hell's Kitchen Crew to lend my input on which of the participants were top of the heap and which weren't. There is not a single person you can point to that can honestly claim that, not even Looney/Cookie Monster. Though to be fair to him, he was one of the people I fenced with and willingly, since he too was about the funny and not the kill at all costs and salt the earth thereafter.

It is also as good an indication as you are going to get that my understanding of the game called "Flaming" was commensurate with its practitioners, who were the envy of sites like Brawl Hall. BH co-admin Danger practically fell about the place all googly eyed and mooning after me when I jumped ship to BH in '03, but it wasn't long before she attempted to exert control over who I flamed, preferring to pit me against "tards" (of whom Fox/Poppy was numbered among). When I refused to knuckle under her claims of "we must show a united front against the tards" she instead started courting the associations of tards who were all too ready to do her bidding. A similar situation would later be in play at Flame Champs where The Bra1n repeatedly trolled Caskur back to the plate because "the flamers need a punching bag to practice on." His words, not mine.

I disagree with that mentality. As do most flamers.

Right there is the reason why. I don't find fun in whaling on unarmed opponents. You need to be a flamer in order to appreciate what flaming is. I don't need cheerleaders, I certainly don't need cheerleaders that get ideas above their station.

Caskur can pretend as much as she likes. I've no axe to grind with her, but she is not flamer material. This subforum can name itself The Flame Pit, but it is not a place where flaming takes place. Nor does it need to be. Just like Caskur, it can stand on its own merits (if it chooses to do so) without people pretending to be what it is not.