Who will you vote for in the Canadian Election?

[JOE]

I'm with Mark Carney.

Anyone else wid me?

Who are you gonna vote for?

[Frood]

It doesn't matter.

[Garraty_47]

I'm pretty sure I can't vote in Canadian elections but then again I've never tried so...

[JOE]

I'm pretty sure I can't vote in Canadian elections but then again I've never tried so...

I was offered a chance to vote in American elections Garraty_47 Garraty

I suppose I could have & gotten away with it. Americans were handing out voter registration cards encouraging me to vote.

But that was back when regulations were lax & all you needed was a driver's license.

I sorta wonder if any US elections were decided by non citizens after that experience.

I didn't vote even tho I probably could have.

[Garraty_47]

I sorta wonder if any US elections were decided by non citizens after that experience.

I've never seen any valid evidence of voter fraud being a significant factor in an election.

Election fraud?
Happens all the time but since both halves of the duopoly are more than happy to gerrymander districts, disenfranchise voters, etc. it's been functionally normalized.

One of the reasons so many people (up to half of registered voters) can't even be bothered to participate in 'Murican elections is because electoral politics in the USA are a joke. It's been proven time and again that our politicians do the bidding of the donor class and the permanent state... not the bidding of the country's citizens.

That's the real story but the corporate media would rather cut out their own tongues than talk about it; their job is to keep us distracted and fighting among ourselves instead of focusing on the actual villains who are making sure the world goes to shit for 99% of the population.

Please don't respond with tangential nonsense or a pointlessly stupid question; I've already spent more time on this poast than your history of interactions with me would have recommended.

[Frood]

So you don't recognize the voting fraud of:

Kicking out polling observers from Democrat run cities/locales.

Online connected voting machines with lawsuits designed to stop analysis of the data. 

Indiscriminate mail in votes delivered to residences/non residences often in multiples with no voter ID required.

Vote mules paid to canvas retirement villages/slums and bully people to fill out their ballots in front of them.

Using people's identities unbeknownst to them in order to contribute large sums of money in smaller packages to political parties (Actblue)


That's not voter fraud? Wut?

[Garraty_47]

Anecdotal evidence is only evidence if you already want to believe something.

[Frood]

All those things happened and regularly, though.

[Lokmar]

Anecdotal evidence is only evidence if you already want to believe something.

video isnt anecdotal. Neither is signed affidavits testifying that votes were trucked in after deadlines. Neither is video of ballot mules dumping ballots at multiple locations.

[JOE]

One of the reasons so many people (up to half of registered voters) can't even be bothered to participate in 'Murican elections is because electoral politics in the USA are a joke. It's been proven time and again that our politicians do the bidding of the donor class and the permanent state... not the bidding of the country's citizens.

Never seen more expensive election on the face of this earth than the 'muricans Garraty_47 Garraty

Multibillion Dollar $pectacles that are larger than the Gross National Products of many nations.

...and nothin' ta show for it too.

For example, the United States is the wealthiest of all industrialized nations and still doesn't have a decent healthcare system which covers all of its citizens. Many don't appear to have any health insurance at all.

This makes the United States Unique among all other Wealthy Nations Garraty.

Countries much less wealthy have Universal Healthcare and quite decent.

ie - New Zealand. Perhaps the most underrated of them all.

[knows things]

Never seen more expensive election on the face of this earth than the 'muricans Garraty_47 Garraty

Multibillion Dollar $pectacles that are larger than the Gross National Products of many nations.

...and nothin' ta show for it too.

For example, the United States is the wealthiest of all industrialized nations and still doesn't have a decent healthcare system which covers all of its citizens. Many don't appear to have any health insurance at all.

This makes the United States Unique among all other Wealthy Nations Garraty.

Countries much less wealthy have Universal Healthcare and quite decent.

ie - New Zealand. Perhaps the most underrated of them all.

If it's so bloody good, you should move there. And do as the locals do (ie: fly to Australia to mooch off the specialists who are there on the Australian taxpayer dime, yet often must wait months to see the very same specialists their medicare levies supposedly guarantee them access to.

The arrangement is about as fucked up as the Canadian healthcare system, though not quite as bad as the British. Honestly, the Americans have the better healthcare system than any of the aforementioned nations... "direct user funding" is a damned sight more efficient and overall less costly than the hamfisted efforts of these "better" nations.

You want healthcare? Save for it. And if you cannot afford it when the time comes, that's Charles Darwin telling you to shit or get off the proverbial genetic pot. Fuck government run health care, they're only in it for the money. And fuck any commie loser that insists otherwise, the only welfare you pricks deserve is a short helicopter ride to the nearest quarry and getting shoved out the hatch at 15,000 feet.

[Garraty_47]

Never seen more expensive election on the face of this earth than the 'muricans Garraty_47 Garraty

That's because 'Murican elections aren't about serving the needs/interests of average citizens. This is an oversimplification but you can think of them as contests between corporatists and oligarchs, both of whom can throw obscene amounts of money at elections and while they agree in principle on many things (sustaining and expanding the 'Murican empire, for instance) they each have their own particular motivations, agendas, and preferred tactics.

That means for voters there's only the illusion of a choice. No matter which half of the duopoly is selected the voters' interests aren't going to be represented. It takes a lot of money to convince millions of people, election after election, despite all evidence to the contrary, that they matter and that politicians care about them.

It's a lie. It's all lies and bullshit.

Expensive lies and bullshit, but lies and bullshit all the same.

[Prof Emeritus at Fawk U]

Either put in a bong option or no vote from me.