Canada is a Broken Country Coming To an End

[Brent]

𝗡𝗼 — 𝗔𝗹𝗯𝗲𝗿𝘁𝗮 𝗗𝗼𝗲𝘀𝗻'𝘁 𝗡𝗲𝗲𝗱 𝗣𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝟳 𝗣𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗦𝗲𝗽𝗮𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲
There's a persistent myth floating around that if Alberta ever voted to separate from Canada, it would require the approval of 7 out of 10 provinces (representing at least 50% of the population) for it to happen. That's not true — not in the way people think.

That 7/10 formula refers to constitutional amendments under Canada's Constitution Act, 1982 — the so-called "7/50 Rule" — which governs changes to federal structures, like the Senate or the Supreme Court. 𝗜𝘁 𝗱𝗼𝗲𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗴𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲𝘀 𝗮 𝘃𝗲𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗮𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲'𝘀 𝗱𝗲𝗰𝗶𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗳𝗲𝗱𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻.

If Alberta held a 𝗰𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿 𝗿𝗲𝗳𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗻𝗱𝘂𝗺 on separation with a clear majority in favor, then 𝗖𝗮𝗻𝗮𝗱𝗮 — 𝗺𝗲𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝗲𝗱𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝗴𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲𝘀 (7 provinces representing 50% of the population of Canada) — 𝘄𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗯𝗲 𝗼𝗯𝗹𝗶𝗴𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗻𝗲𝗴𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗮𝘁𝗲. That's not optional. This was made crystal clear in the 𝟭𝟵𝟵𝟴 𝗦𝘂𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗺𝗲 𝗖𝗼𝘂𝗿𝘁 𝗥𝗲𝗳𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗿𝗲 𝗦𝗲𝗰𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝗤𝘂𝗲𝗯𝗲𝗰.

What the Court said:
A clear referendum result would give Alberta a 𝗱𝗲𝗺𝗼𝗰𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗰 𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗮𝘁𝗲 to pursue secession.
Canada's Constitution requires 𝗻𝗲𝗴𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻, 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗮𝘂𝘁𝗼𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗰 𝗶𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗽𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗮 𝘃𝗲𝘁𝗼.

The other provinces and the federal government must 𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗽𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝗴𝗼𝗼𝗱 𝗳𝗮𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗶𝗻 𝗻𝗲𝗴𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘀𝗲𝗽𝗮𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻.

𝗦𝗼 𝗻𝗼, 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝟳/𝟭𝟬 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲𝘀 𝗱𝗼𝗻'𝘁 "𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗲𝗲" 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗔𝗹𝗯𝗲𝗿𝘁𝗮'𝘀 𝗲𝘅𝗶𝘁. What they must do is 𝗻𝗲𝗴𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗮𝘁𝗲, and how those negotiations go would shape the path forward — peacefully or not.

Bottom line: A successful referendum in Alberta doesn't trigger a provincial permission slip. 𝗜𝘁 𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗴𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗮 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗶𝘁𝘂𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗱𝘂𝘁𝘆 𝘁𝗼 𝗻𝗲𝗴𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗮𝘁𝗲 — 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗻𝗼 𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗴𝗹𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲, 𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻 𝗮 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺, 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝗷𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝘀𝗵𝘂𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗼𝗼𝗿 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁.

Any province can declare independence after a successful vote. Any prog that says otherwise doesn't know the law or is lying.

[.]

Canada is one of the few countries with sub sovereign governments that provides a legal pathway for their exit.

Right, but that doesn't really answer my question. Quebec were getting ready to secede, in the subsequent negotiations phase they were bought off with blood money raised in large part from more productive provinces. And while I don't doubt the sincerity of someone like Herman or Shen Li when they declare they want AB and SK out of Canada, the truth is I've seen metric fucktonnes of corruption in the Liberals, the Block Quebecois and the Conservative party during my time in Ottawa. Heresy to some eyes here perhaps, but I have. And I would not be at all amazed to see some blatant fuckery enacted as a last ditch effort to coax support at the provincial level for AB and SK to remain a part of Canada... nor to see a bunch of people who insisted this time it was for real grudgingly caving in under whatever truckoads of manure that gets rolled out to sell it to the public.

My skepticism is, I think, well founded. I do want to see provinces get out from under the boot of a federal government whose authoritarianism and corruption offends me and it has been my experience in the past that such assholes are all too ready to pull out all the stops rather than lose their cash cows. And the average Canadian perhaps a little too trusting and naïve to mount effective opposition to it.

My question remains.

[Thiel]

And I would not be at all amazed to see some blatant fuckery enacted as a last ditch effort to coax support at the provincial level for AB and SK to remain a part of Canada

I would expect nothing more or less from the rot in Ottawa. But, it will not include what those two provinces require to flourish.

[.]

A successful referendum in Alberta doesn't trigger a provincial permission slip. 𝗜𝘁 𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗴𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗮 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗶𝘁𝘂𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗱𝘂𝘁𝘆 𝘁𝗼 𝗻𝗲𝗴𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗮𝘁𝗲 — 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗻𝗼 𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗴𝗹𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲, 𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻 𝗮 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺, 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝗷𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝘀𝗵𝘂𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗼𝗼𝗿 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁.

Any province can declare independence after a successful vote. Any prog that says otherwise doesn't know the law or is lying.

I wouldn't presume to call DKG a prog, but it does rather seem that his account differs from yours a bit.

[.]

I would expect nothing more or less from the rot in Ottawa. But, it will not include what those two provinces require to flourish.

Absolutely it won't. It only needs to grease the palms of the necessary people required to stop it dead in its tracks. Look at how many referenda were required to get Britain out of the EU.

[JOE]

As you folks know I am a volunteer in the prairie independence movement. We are starting with Alberta, but Saskatchewan is next and then rural Western Manitoba and Eastern BC.

Even old Pierre had won it would have only delayed the inevitable. The federal government in this country is rotten to it's core. Robbing one region to bribe another is unethical and unsustainable.

Besides Canada is quickly turning into a third world shithole.

Unfortunately for you, Canada is not coming to an End, hey Herman Herm?

It will still exist as a nation fully intact by the time you die, hey Herm?

[.]

Hey JoHoMo... when you're sleeping all spooned up with Thiel and stuff, do you ever get that dream you're eating giant fluffy pink marshmallows and wake up to find both your pillows are gone?

[DKG]

Hey JoHoMo... when you're sleeping all spooned up with Thiel and stuff, do you ever get that dream you're eating giant fluffy pink marshmallows and wake up to find both your pillows are gone?

Is that forum cancer looking for negative attention again by derailing our threads.

He should quit forums cold turkey.

[DKG]

Absolutely it won't. It only needs to grease the palms of the necessary people required to stop it dead in its tracks. Look at how many referenda were required to get Britain out of the EU.

There was one Brexit vote.

[DKG]

I wouldn't presume to call DKG a prog, but it does rather seem that his account differs from yours a bit.

It is what would after a yes vote where Ottawa's true colours will show.

[.]

There was one Brexit vote.

Tell that to Carl Benjamin. Better yet, tell it to Nigel Farrage. The question was put before the UK populace no less than three times using a variety of excuses of why they needed to keep revisiting the issue and by members of the British Parliament whose interests in the EU precluded a split because it would hurt their personal bottom lines.

And in the end, exactly what did they get? Sure, Britain professes to be an independent entity, but they are still subject to agreements that effectively render them subservient to Brussels. It sure doesn't seem to have addressed the proliferation of Pakistani rape gangs, the 20,000 cases per annum that the teenage British girls are supposed to submit to, the decimation of English culture nor "two-tier Kier's" prosecutions of native and "racist" Englishmen that dare comment upon it.

You can argue the toss with me if you prefer to. Or if you're serious about Alberta getting it's best foot forward, you can study the minutia of Britain's example and figure out ways to avoid the same mistakes that they made.

Like trusting their elected leaders to do the right thing just because they are making all the right noises. That's a pretty big one.

[.]

It is what would after a yes vote where Ottawa's true colours will show.

Oh, there will be tomfuckery for sure, I can all but guarantee it. You're not just yeeting a bunch of of their mineral resources in the form of the tar sands, you are also putting the future of Canada's Pacific trade in jeopardy. I imagine that last one is going to come up in the negotiation stage and the expectation will likely be that they secure the right to continue using Alberta's roads and railway infrastructure to move their shit about.

Chuggie suggested banning that. I tend to think charging them like a wounded bull and subjecting them to interminable checkswould be a better rave myself. You could recoup some of the money you lost to Quebec that way.

[Thiel]

Unfortunately for you, Canada is not coming to an End, hey Herman Herm?

It will still exist as a nation fully intact by the time you die, hey Herm?

Sweetie, remember what I told you about responding to a post after you gave me oral sex this morning?  Read it then reply to it. Don't ignore and then derail it with something not related to the post.

Herman said that if the prairie provinces leave then Canada is done. And he has backed it up to show that the way your country funds itself would have to undergo radical change if those two provinces left.

Understand now Honeybuns or do you need to get on your knees again?

[Herman]

Sweetie, remember what I told you about responding to a post after you gave me oral sex this morning?  Read it then reply to it. Don't ignore and then derail it with something not related to the post.

Herman said that if the prairie provinces leave then Canada is done. And he has backed it up to show that the way your country funds itself would have to undergo radical change if those two provinces left.

Understand now Honeybuns or do you need to get on your knees again?

As these forums get smaller Joe gets more desperate to get under folks skin. Responding to folks that cannot read his posts is an example of that.

Get him back on his shins.

[Shen Li]

Canada is the least stable advanced economy. It faces the bleakeat future.