I AM NOT FOR THIS

[Dove]

I live about four hours from Dearborn. I have driven through it. I am aware of it's religious composition.

 I could probably guess where i Canada you are based on that info.

 Im in Oakland county so...im about, an hour or so away from there.

 Its always had a large Muslim population and its slowly become flat our Islamic over the years. Now they are Sharia lawing it over there.

 I dont get it. Why even come here then? I just wanna drive slow through it and throw bacon and beer at everything.

[DKG]

I could probably guess where i Canada you are based on that info.

 Im in Oakland county so...im about, an hour or so away from there.

 Its always had a large Muslim population and its slowly become flat our Islamic over the years. Now they are Sharia lawing it over there.

 I dont get it. Why even come here then? I just wanna drive slow through it and throw bacon and beer at everything.

I think you probably do know where I live based on what I wrote.

And I know where Oakland County is.

I grew up in the Willowdale area of North Toronto. It has a large Muslim population and a large Jewish population. But, there was peace and very little radicalization. I know too many Muslims in Dearborn and Minneapolis have been radicalized.

[Biggie Smiles]

Right. Right now though? After the abuse of the country? Illegal is illegal.

I hate that but....it is what it is. They really should have made it legal.

Perhaps we can figure out some easier way for these people to gain citizenship.

It really should not be easy to gain citizenship to any foriegn country.

I dont know. My opinions on this one are complicated i guess because i get my feelings involved. If they want to live and work here they need to be citizens. We cant keep being the worlds toilet.

you see how your opinion is swayed by the deliberate abuse brought on by the scum on the left?

this is what I am talking about

10 years ago you didn't feel this way. None of us did. We all knew it happened and sometimes even benifited from it ourselves

as a homeowner can I truthfully say I've never shown up at the local home depot to grab a guy or two for some sheet-rocking, lawn care or other menial manual task that I did not want to pay a contractor thousands to perform ? No I cannot.

and so, today, I don't get to pontificate or stand up on a high horse and say "get rid of them all" .. am I frustrated because of the abuse? yes. but should the honest hardworking guy whom I didn't have a problem with 10 years ago be dropped off in a land which is now virtually foreign to him with little to no way to sustain himself because democrats are power hungry scum? no.

I can compartmentalize the issue and assign the blame where it belongs and find pathways for good, moral and hardworking people who should not suffer consequence because Biden and Kamala were incompetent pieces of shit

[Dove]

you see how your opinion is swayed by the deliberate abuse brought on by the scum on the left?

this is what I am talking about

10 years ago you didn't feel this way. None of us did. We all knew it happened and sometimes even benifited from it ourselves

as a homeowner can I truthfully say I've never shown up at the local home depot to grab a guy or two for some sheet-rocking, lawn care or other menial manual task that I did not want to pay a contractor thousands to perform ? No I cannot.

and so, today, I don't get to pontificate or stand up on a high horse and say "get rid of them all" .. am I frustrated because of the abuse? yes. but should the honest hardworking guy whom I didn't have a problem with 10 years ago be dropped off in a land which is now virtually foreign to him with little to no way to sustain himself because democrats are power hungry scum? no.

I can compartmentalize the issue and assign the blame where it belongs and find pathways for good, moral and hardworking people who should not suffer consequence because Biden and Kamala were incompetent pieces of shit

 BUT is it moral to reside in a country for years and years and take little to no steps to gain citizenship?

 I think they should have to properly assimilate. Because they are taking advantage....albiet not criminally.

 That we know of at least.

 Because in making exceptions are we not shitting on everyone who came over here legally, went through the process and invested time and money into gaining proper citizenship?

 See what im saying? I feel like we would owe compensation to people who got no short cuts who invested time, money, effort.

[Dove]

I think you probably do know where I live based on what I wrote.

And I know where Oakland County is.

I grew up in the Willowdale area of North Toronto. It has a large Muslim population and a large Jewish population. But, there was peace and very little radicalization. I know too many Muslims in Dearborn and Minneapolis have been radicalized.

 We always had radical islamists over there....unfortunately that population grew a lot.

 And ha! I was gonna guess Toronto. My oldest daughter and her fiance just took a spontaneous trip there to see Twenty One Pilots lol.

[Biggie Smiles]

BUT is it moral to reside in a country for years and years and take little to no steps to gain citizenship?

 I think they should have to properly assimilate. Because they are taking advantage....albiet not criminally.

 That we know of at least.

 Because in making exceptions are we not shitting on everyone who came over here legally, went through the process and invested time and money into gaining proper citizenship?

 See what im saying? I feel like we would owe compensation to people who got no short cuts who invested time, money, effort.

The immigration process is just as corrupt as any other involving the courts. Attorneys, red tape, bullshit and a litany of processes that many of these people do not have the aptitude to properly navigate. So they are inclined to stay off the radar and out of sight. Out of sight, out of mind.

Is it right? No. Is it understandable as to why it happens? Yes. Should a person who has been here for 10 years building a life for themselves and perhaps a family through the sweat of their hands suddenly be transported to a far away place because several years ago you had the scum on the left virtually goading them to come here? No.

Their sin is not so great that they should suffer such a severe penalty. Especially when the TRUE criminals in this travesty of justice walk free from consequence. 

Yes they broke the law. I get that. Lots of us break laws either morally or socially. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

But was the law broken so great that we cannot show compassion and handle each situation based on the merits and the unique physiology of the circumstance?

Let's all be honest with ourselves here. If your child had an illness that some illegal grandma had a home remedy for a cure and she was being carted away on a bus before your eyes would you be as eager to to say "the law is the law" or would you be more inclined to lobby on her behalf for some type of provision for her to remain here based on factors which show her favor?

-- I ask all of us to search our hearts for the answer. Really search our hearts and I guarantee if we truly perform this exercise the answer will be a resounding NO. And that's okay, it is as it should be. We are seeking the welfare of someone we love and I already know what my answer is. We're all human and have a vested interest in the welfare of our child and are therefore willing to dispense with "technicalities" based on the greater good

well I'm asking all of us, devoid of such a vested interested, to step out of ourselves for just a moment and base your judgement on compassion -- when compassion is warranted, when the human being on the chopping block has nearly no blemish and nothing but the mercy of God fearing people to dictate their fate. and not simply see the issue though a prism of black and white.

I personally cannot find it within myself to stand behind such a draconian position wherein there is no provision whatsoever for persons in this category. And I am about as right wing as they come ... so if you are not winning my heart and mind in this regard you are certainly not winning the hearts and minds of millions of Americans who lean more centrist in their philosophy

[Brent]

BUT is it moral to reside in a country for years and years and take little to no steps to gain citizenship?

 I think they should have to properly assimilate. Because they are taking advantage....albiet not criminally.

 That we know of at least.

 Because in making exceptions are we not shitting on everyone who came over here legally, went through the process and invested time and money into gaining proper citizenship?

 See what im saying? I feel like we would owe compensation to people who got no short cuts who invested time, money, effort.

No ecceptions. If somebody enters a country illegally they have to be deported. No leniency just because it took ten years to catch them.

[Brent]

Right. Right now though? After the abuse of the country? Illegal is illegal.

I hate that but....it is what it is. They really should have made it legal.

Perhaps we can figure out some easier way for these people to gain citizenship.

It really should not be easy to gain citizenship to any foriegn country.

I dont know. My opinions on this one are complicated i guess because i get my feelings involved. If they want to live and work here they need to be citizens. We cant keep being the worlds toilet.

One hundred percent.

[Lokmar]

Here's some US Citizens getting the same treatment! 

I approve!!!

[JOE]

Here's some US Citizens getting the same treatment! 

I approve!!!

I wonder what's gonna happen to yer St Trump if the Republicans lose the 2026 midterm elections...eh Lokmar?

[Thiel]

You hate liberals so much Biggie Smiles Bigly. yet I'm the only one who here agrees with you that a solution should be found to legalize productive and law abiding migrant workers without jeopardizing the livelihoods of American citizens.

Just like when Dove Dove was having some problems, some of you conz attacked her & were extremely judgmental, eh?

Ironic isn't it? The liberals are often the ones who show some compassion towards others when they are down, but the conservative type folks have none.

Anyways, that's the way it is irl too.

Sugarplum, as I explained to you after we had sex this morning, letting people break the law is not a solution. It is an invitation for more lawlessness.

They must be deported, but if they decide they want to return their applications can expidited.

Understand now pussycat or do you want to jump in the sack first.

[Thiel]

I wonder what's gonna happen to yer St Trump if the Republicans lose the 2026 midterm elections...eh Lokmar?

Honeybunch, you know what will happen. The Democrats will try to impeach the president again rather than work for the interests of the American people. Thankfully the senate will block that abuse of power.

[Dove]

The immigration process is just as corrupt as any other involving the courts. Attorneys, red tape, bullshit and a litany of processes that many of these people do not have the aptitude to properly navigate. So they are inclined to stay off the radar and out of sight. Out of sight, out of mind.

Is it right? No. Is it understandable as to why it happens? Yes. Should a person who has been here for 10 years building a life for themselves and perhaps a family through the sweat of their hands suddenly be transported to a far away place because several years ago you had the scum on the left virtually goading them to come here? No.

Their sin is not so great that they should suffer such a severe penalty. Especially when the TRUE criminals in this travesty of justice walk free from consequence. 

Yes they broke the law. I get that. Lots of us break laws either morally or socially. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

But was the law broken so great that we cannot show compassion and handle each situation based on the merits and the unique physiology of the circumstance?

Let's all be honest with ourselves here. If your child had an illness that some illegal grandma had a home remedy for a cure and she was being carted away on a bus before your eyes would you be as eager to to say "the law is the law" or would you be more inclined to lobby on her behalf for some type of provision for her to remain here based on factors which show her favor?

-- I ask all of us to search our hearts for the answer. Really search our hearts and I guarantee if we truly perform this exercise the answer will be a resounding NO. And that's okay, it is as it should be. We are seeking the welfare of someone we love and I already know what my answer is. We're all human and have a vested interest in the welfare of our child and are therefore willing to dispense with "technicalities" based on the greater good

well I'm asking all of us, devoid of such a vested interested, to step out of ourselves for just a moment and base your judgement on compassion -- when compassion is warranted, when the human being on the chopping block has nearly no blemish and nothing but the mercy of God fearing people to dictate their fate. and not simply see the issue though a prism of black and white.

I personally cannot find it within myself to stand behind such a draconian position wherein there is no provision whatsoever for persons in this category. And I am about as right wing as they come ... so if you are not winning my heart and mind in this regard you are certainly not winning the hearts and minds of millions of Americans who lean more centrist in their philosophy

I mean. My experience with illegals is they are working hard but they have little respect for us.

There is also a wide range here. Leaving out criminal illegals, we have illegals being labor trafficked. Often times by other illegals.

Plus like you pointed out, those Mexicans in the Home Depot parking lot who will bust ass for dirt cheap, thats an American who could have had business.

When i was S Florida i was cleaning houses and businesses and competing with Mexican women who were doing more for less money. And it wouldnt have been worth it for me to go lower than they were going. And i paid taxes! I was lisenced. They didnt do any of that....they were just working under the table dirt cheap, and sending money back to relatives.

But yeah im softer about ones that have just lived and worked here. The problem is, where we could turn a blind eye before....thats been so abused i just dont see anyway to deport people while letting the behaved ones off the hook.

Is there is any current legislation regarding these ones? I havent been aware of any bills on their behalf. Even with the damn left sky screaming over it, none of them ever actually DO anything.

I would probably vote in favor of giving them a doable pass to citizen ship.....IF they have been building an ethical life in harmony with American values and participating in American life and not using us for our benefits and turning small towns into little Mexican villages.

I feel so irked when i see Mexican small businesses where they fly the Mexican flag and NO US flag. Like the Mexican flag wouldnt bother me if they flew under the US flag.  But theyll fly JUST the Mexican flag. That irks me.

I guess what im saying....they need to WANT to be Americans. Not just Mexicans living in America (or whatever other country they came from).

Whats happening in my state with fucking Dearbornistan is putting a very sour taste in my mouth. We were easy on these arabs and they are fucking shitting all over us over here.

It is supposed to be hard to become a citizen. It always was. The ones who wanted to be here badly enough to go through the process are VERY proud Americans. And they should be! 

I know my family were immigrants and came here from Ireland. My grandma was a little girl when they finally got citizenship. She had duel citizenship many years. But she took so much pride in being an American.

If we dont file taxes, we are getting into trouble legally. No one is gonna be like "well they work and built an honest life, lets give them a break". I think that opens up a whole conversation about how a person should be held accountable for breaking our laws based on how productive their lives are....which many judges will give breaks if a person has a clean record and job and isnt known to be a bane on society.

What would you change about our immigration laws as they are today?

[Thiel]

BUT is it moral to reside in a country for years and years and take little to no steps to gain citizenship?

It is neither moral nor legal. Illegal immigration carries a cost to society.

[Thiel]

I mean. My experience with illegals is they are working hard but they have little respect for us.

There is also a wide range here. Leaving out criminal illegals, we have illegals being labor trafficked. Often times by other illegals.

Plus like you pointed out, those Mexicans in the Home Depot parking lot who will bust ass for dirt cheap, thats an American who could have had business.

When i was S Florida i was cleaning houses and businesses and competing with Mexican women who were doing more for less money. And it wouldnt have been worth it for me to go lower than they were going. And i paid taxes! I was lisenced. They didnt do any of that....they were just working under the table dirt cheap, and sending money back to relatives.

But yeah im softer about ones that have just lived and worked here. The problem is, where we could turn a blind eye before....thats been so abused i just dont see anyway to deport people while letting the behaved ones off the hook.

Is there is any current legislation regarding these ones? I havent been aware of any bills on their behalf. Even with the damn left sky screaming over it, none of them ever actually DO anything.

I would probably vote in favor of giving them a doable pass to citizen ship.....IF they have been building an ethical life in harmony with American values and participating in American life and not using us for our benefits and turning small towns into little Mexican villages.

I feel so irked when i see Mexican small businesses where fly the Mexican flag and NO US flag. Like the Mexican wouldnt bother me if they flew under the US flag.

I guess what im saying....they need to WANT to be Americans. Not just Mexicans living in America (or whatever other country they came from).

Whats happening in my state with fucking Dearbornistan is putting a very sour taste in my mouth. We were easy on these arabs and they are fucking shitting all over us over here.

It supposed to be hard to become a citizen. It always was. The ones who wanted to be here bad enough to go through the process are VERY proud Americans. And they should be! 

I know my family were immigrants and came here from Ireland. My grandma was a little girl when they finally got citizenship. She had duel citizenship many years. But she took so much pride in being an American.

If we dont file taxes, we are getting into trouble legally. No one is gonna be like "well they work and built an honest life, lets give them a break". I think that opens up a whole conversation about how a person should be held accountable for breaking our laws based on how productive their lives....which many judges will give breaks if a person has a clean record and job and isnt known to be a bane on society.

What would you change about our immigration laws as they are today?

Well said.