Now, here's a surprise...

[Bricktop]

Thirteen dead.



Twenty wounded.



But the answer is to give them MORE guns!!!

 dude that guy was on 4chan.  You think they buy gus legally?  How are we going to disarm the black market?  It's not guns that's the problem.

Lunatic + Gun = Problem



Lunatic - Gun = No problem.



How hard is that to rationalise?

 Why do you keep getting on this?  Lunatics will get guns whether they are banned or not. Black market. Say it with me....ffs....black. market.

Where does this "black" market get ITS guns from??



 

[Anonymous]

Thirteen dead.



Twenty wounded.



But the answer is to give them MORE guns!!!

 dude that guy was on 4chan.  You think they buy gus legally?  How are we going to disarm the black market?  It's not guns that's the problem.

Lunatic + Gun = Problem



Lunatic - Gun = No problem.



How hard is that to rationalise?

 Why do you keep getting on this?  Lunatics will get guns whether they are banned or not. Black market. Say it with me....ffs....black. market.

Where does this "black" market get ITS guns from??



 

 Yeah. It's so hard to get Crack and heroin due to it being illegal and a serious felony charge to be caught with it.  Amazing how it's epidemic....eh?  How does that work?  Also they don't even know how this tool got the weapon.

[Frood]

Thirteen dead.



Twenty wounded.



But the answer is to give them MORE guns!!!

 dude that guy was on 4chan.  You think they buy gus legally?  How are we going to disarm the black market?  It's not guns that's the problem.

Lunatic + Gun = Problem



Lunatic - Gun = No problem.



How hard is that to rationalise?

 Why do you keep getting on this?  Lunatics will get guns whether they are banned or not. Black market. Say it with me....ffs....black. market.

Where does this "black" market get ITS guns from??



 

Non legal channels, of course. The more legality required, the more black the market becomes. You wouldn't be privy to that sort of thing as a former pig. Very few reasonably sane people would ever trust you with such confidences. You know, since you actually chose to be a piece of uniformed shit once upon a time.  ac_biggrin

[Renee]

Thirteen dead.



Twenty wounded.



But the answer is to give them MORE guns!!!

 dude that guy was on 4chan.  You think they buy gus legally?  How are we going to disarm the black market?  It's not guns that's the problem.

Lunatic + Gun = Problem



Lunatic - Gun = No problem.



How hard is that to rationalise?

 Why do you keep getting on this?  Lunatics will get guns whether they are banned or not. Black market. Say it with me....ffs....black. market.

Where does this "black" market get ITS guns from??



 

That's an idiot's question and not surprisingly, it came from you. Are you so rabidly frightened of firearms that you can't even think logically on this issue. It would appear so.



According to the ATF most illegal guns are purchased through either straw purchases or through corrupt kitchen table FFL holders running illegal gun sales out of their homes or store fronts. Actual thefts from private citizens account for about 10% of the illegal guns on the street.



Illegal gun dealers operate like drug dealers and in fact many of them operate hand in hand with drug traffickers and other assorted organized criminal types.



Besides, we don't even know at this point how or where the shooter obtained his weapons. As for your assertion that a homicidal lunatic without a gun is no problem, that is a load of hysterical Aussie, foaming at the mouth, fertilizer as well. I'm surprised that you being an ex-cop and all, would say something as stupid as that. Maybe in Oz lunatics aren't smart enough or determined enough to kill without a gun but according to the FBI crime reports, more people in the US, each year are killed by blunt force trauma in a commission of a crime than are killed with rifles and shotguns. What drove you to say something so incredibly stupid is real eye opener. Maybe your experience in law enforcement was more on the administrative side, or maybe you were just a meter maid, I don't know. But what I do know is that you look awful dumb saying something like that.



But hey, I know I've posted this link before but I'll do it again.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-26/source-of-illicit-guns-in-australia/6483762">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-26/s ... ia/6483762">http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-26/source-of-illicit-guns-in-australia/6483762



It would appear that you clods from down under the world's asshole can't figure out where your own illegal gun trade originates, so I guess I should cut you some slack where it comes to ours.

[cc]

While Holier than Thou vents his pent up spleen - Someone tried to SHOOT many ending with two people shot dead outside NSW Police headquarters in Parramatta



OCTOBER 2, 20159:11PM

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/two-people-shot-dead-outside-nsw-police-headquarters-in-parramatta/story-fnj3rq0y-1227554475942">http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act ... 7554475942">http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/two-people-shot-dead-outside-nsw-police-headquarters-in-parramatta/story-fnj3rq0y-1227554475942



POLICE denied having previous warning of a possible attack on the Parramatta headquarters ahead of today's deadly shooting that saw a lone gunman shoot dead a police IT worker before being gunned down by officers.

The shooter, dressed in black, launched an attack from Charles St at 4.30pm (AEST), peppering the front of the building with bullets.

He shot a police IT expert before being gunned down by special constables who guard the entrance, The Daily Telegraph can confirm.

In a statement police said the special constable shot the gunman after a person had been killed.



Bases on the fact that little OZ, the land of NO guns, has 1/15th the population, it's fair to say that Oz had an even worse day



just sayin .... now continued with venting all the pent up  Anti-US hate / holier than thou crap from your spleens

[Anonymous]

Thirteen dead.



Twenty wounded.



But the answer is to give them MORE guns!!!

 dude that guy was on 4chan.  You think they buy gus legally?  How are we going to disarm the black market?  It's not guns that's the problem.

Lunatic + Gun = Problem



Lunatic - Gun = No problem.



How hard is that to rationalise?

 Why do you keep getting on this?  Lunatics will get guns whether they are banned or not. Black market. Say it with me....ffs....black. market.

Where does this "black" market get ITS guns from??



 

 Yeah. It's so hard to get Crack and heroin due to it being illegal and a serious felony charge to be caught with it.  Amazing how it's epidemic....eh?  How does that work?  Also they don't even know how this tool got the weapon.

Suddenly criminalizing gun ownership would create a bigger crime problem. The US learned that lesson the hard way with prohibition.

[Renee]

While Holier than Thou vents his pent up spleen - Someone tried to SHOOT many ending with two people shot dead outside NSW Police headquarters in Parramatta



OCTOBER 2, 20159:11PM

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/two-people-shot-dead-outside-nsw-police-headquarters-in-parramatta/story-fnj3rq0y-1227554475942">http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act ... 7554475942">http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/two-people-shot-dead-outside-nsw-police-headquarters-in-parramatta/story-fnj3rq0y-1227554475942



POLICE denied having previous warning of a possible attack on the Parramatta headquarters ahead of today's deadly shooting that saw a lone gunman shoot dead a police IT worker before being gunned down by officers.

The shooter, dressed in black, launched an attack from Charles St at 4.30pm (AEST), peppering the front of the building with bullets.

He shot a police IT expert before being gunned down by special constables who guard the entrance, The Daily Telegraph can confirm.

In a statement police said the special constable shot the gunman after a person had been killed.



Bases on the fact that little OZ, the land of NO guns, has 1/15th the population, it's fair to say that Oz had an even worse day



just sayin .... now continued with venting all the pent up  Anti-US hate / holier than thou crap from your spleens

Oops, reality rears it's ugly head.  

[Romero]

You'd have to be crazy to compare shootings in the US to shootings in Australia. So go seek help.

274 days, 294 mass shootings



Charleston. Lafayette. Virginia. Now, Roseburg, Ore. But beneath the steady drumbeat of these high-profile cases lie the hundreds of daily mass shootings that most of us never hear about. Eleven wounded in a Georgia barroom. Six shot outside a Tulsa nightclub. A pregnant mom and grandmother killed, an infant wounded in Chicago.



We've gone no more than eight days without one of these incidents this year. On six days in September, there were three mass shootings or more. If the initial casualty figures in Oregon hold up, that would bring the total of deaths by mass shooting this year to 380 so far, with well over 1,000 injured.



And of course, there's the broader universe of nearly 10,000 people killed and 20,000 wounded in nearly 40,000 gun violence incidents so far this year.



These numbers only tell the smallest part of the story. And these very numbers will need to be updated again tomorrow. And the day after. And the day after that.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/01/2015-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/">//http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/01/2015-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/

[Anonymous]

^The point was that strict gun ownership laws may not stop gun violence.

[Anonymous]

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[asal]

Idi Amin  :001_tongue:

The Ugandan case is a prime example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy in action. Gun advocates point to a 1970 Uganda law that restricted firearm ownership and regulated the types of weapons a citizen could own as the gateway to genocidal acts beginning in 1971 under the rule of Idi Amin. Had the population not been "disarmed," the people of Uganda could have stopped the reign of terror. However, this analysis completely overlooks two very basic facts. First, the gun law implemented in 1970 was mostly an extension of a colonial firearms law dating back to 1955, meaning the number of gun owners would not have changed substantially. Second, the idea that the gun law was stage one of genocide is not viable, as the law was implemented in 1970 and Idi Amin did not seize power and begin killing people until 1971.

source:  http://www.armedwithreason.com/militia-myths-why-armed-populations-dont-prevent-tyranny-but-often-lead-to-it/">//http://www.armedwithreason.com/militia-myths-why-armed-populations-dont-prevent-tyranny-but-often-lead-to-it/



Mao:  

Like the Russian case, the idea that Mao's gun control allowed him to commit genocidal acts completely overlooks how Mao gained power in the first place: a massive civil war. If guns could have stopped Mao, they would have then, not at the height of his power. It also overlooks the fact that any type of gun laws would have had only a negligible influence of gun ownership as the vast majority of Chinese peasants (those bearing the brunt of Mao's disastrous policies) were too poor to even consider owning a gun. Gun policy shouldn't enter any meaningful discourse on Mao's rule.

(article above also specifically discounts Hitler and Stalin removing guns from the populace as significant)

[Anonymous]

^Oh FFS, this is the kind of crap Romero would post. It was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but also convey a point. Eliminating gun ownership won't necessarily lower violent crime rates. Also, we see the types of governments that do NOT trust their citizens with guns. A lot of them are pretty fucking scary.

[RW]

Getting rid of all guns wouldn't lower violent crime rates?  Is that supposed to be a joke comment as well?

[Romero]

^Oh FFS, this is the kind of crap Romero would post. It was meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but also convey a point. Eliminating gun ownership won't necessarily lower violent crime rates. Also, we see the types of governments that do NOT trust their citizens with guns. A lot of them are pretty fucking scary.

But proper gun control does work. America's lack of gun control proves it.



Funny how you have to use ridiculous examples like Hitler and Stalin. It just goes to show that you can't use real world examples like Canada, Australia, the UK...

[RW]

While Holier than Thou vents his pent up spleen - Someone tried to SHOOT many ending with two people shot dead outside NSW Police headquarters in Parramatta



OCTOBER 2, 20159:11PM

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/two-people-shot-dead-outside-nsw-police-headquarters-in-parramatta/story-fnj3rq0y-1227554475942">http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act ... 7554475942">http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/two-people-shot-dead-outside-nsw-police-headquarters-in-parramatta/story-fnj3rq0y-1227554475942



POLICE denied having previous warning of a possible attack on the Parramatta headquarters ahead of today's deadly shooting that saw a lone gunman shoot dead a police IT worker before being gunned down by officers.

The shooter, dressed in black, launched an attack from Charles St at 4.30pm (AEST), peppering the front of the building with bullets.

He shot a police IT expert before being gunned down by special constables who guard the entrance, The Daily Telegraph can confirm.

In a statement police said the special constable shot the gunman after a person had been killed.



Bases on the fact that little OZ, the land of NO guns, has 1/15th the population, it's fair to say that Oz had an even worse day



just sayin .... now continued with venting all the pent up  Anti-US hate / holier than thou crap from your spleens

Does one person shot make for a mass shooting?